Is anyone here w/out ins. going to reject "ObamaCare"?

[Benvolio]

The real crime here is that 47% of Americans are TOO POOR to pay income taxes.

Then, of course, you agree that we should stop allowing millions and millions and millions of additional poor to come into the country to compete with our poor. THAT IS a crime.

 

[TX-Beau]

FEAR THE BROWN HORDE!

Oh Ben, so sad, so tragic, and yet sooo predictable.

 

[Benvolio]

For a brief, fleeting moment you pretended to care about our poor. But at the first mention of immigration, they are swept under the rug again.

 

[TX-Beau]

There is simply no point in accommodating your one track bigotries.

 

[Benvolio]

If you could at least understand your own inconsistency, you insults might have a meaning.

 

[Love me 2]

Then, of course, you agree that we should stop allowing millions and millions and millions of additional poor to come into the country to compete with our poor. THAT IS a crime.

Why blame them, they are not the real culprit. The reality is that the filthy Rich and the Corporations owns approximately 80% of the wealth in this Nation....they have become the Nation's Overlords, and yes, they influence only those they can buy off. So, you really cannot place all the blame on the illegal aliens.

 

[Love me 2]

http://occupydemocrats.com/paul-ryan-16-other-hypocritial-republicans-caught-begging-for-obamacare-funds/

...and 16 others are begging for Funds while they are Publically against ACA.

It seems that the conservatives in this thread are ignoring this one.

 

[frankfrank]

There is simply no point in accommodating your one track bigotries.

It's part of his bag o' tries at vilifying certain groups,,,(Man-oh-man, I LOVE wordplay!)

 

[bendted]

But the Federal government is separate and almost all its revenue comes from the Income Tax. But most people pay none. 47% of people who file returns pay none, but millions more do not file returns.

They, the "47 percenters," still pay fed taxes in the form of gasoline, tobacco, (alcohol?) etc. so they aren't getting a totally free ride.

 

[kallipolis]

47% of Americans Pay No Federal Income Tax​

Thank you.

 

[kallipolis]

Simply google, who pays income tax. This has been gone over so many times before. In the US, the States have a variety of taxes, including real estate and sales taxes. But the Federal government is separate and almost all its revenue comes from the Income Tax. But most people pay none. 47% of people who file returns pay none, but millions more do not file returns.

The fact remains that everyone who purchases goods or pays for a service pays taxes in one form or another.

That Federal income tax is not paid by everyone has not denied the Federal Government its revenue to pay for its responsibilities.

It is often said that under payment of Federal taxes places a brake on government spending that politicians fail to apply.

 

[Benvolio]

The fact remains that everyone who purchases goods or pays for a service pays taxes in one form or another.

That Federal income tax is not paid by everyone has not denied the Federal Government its revenue to pay for its responsibilities.

It is often said that under payment of Federal taxes places a brake on government spending that politicians fail to apply.

You are entirely incorrect. The US government borrows up to a TRILLION Dollars year to pay for its whims. Obamacare will be over and above that until people stop loaning to us and then the system will collapse.

 

[kallipolis]

You are entirely incorrect. The US government borrows up to a TRILLION Dollars year to pay for its whims. Obamacare will be over and above that until people stop loaning to us and then the system will collapse.

Then the Federal Government should emulate its neighbour to its immediate north whose national health service functions very well with each person monthly paying into a national insurance fund to cover health care needs.

I am amused that there are those living in the United States unable to grasp the fact that most of the countries of the developed world operate their versions of a national health service whereas, all I read from you are excuses for not introducing such a system into the United States. Can the rest of the developed world be insane?

Most developed nations are running deficits.

 

[Benvolio]

Of course we understand that, but are not persuaded. Those other countries would not be so pleased without the benefit of the vast sums we pay for research. Americans have never wanted socialism and still do not. Of course, the welfare class and immigrants want free care along with everything else at the expense of the American taxpayer. The Democrats are eager to buy their votes with tax money.

 

[mightbe]

Americans love their dose of socialism. Love it. Any politician that talks about cutting Social Security and Medicare is on their last term. A significant minority is in favor of going all the way. And just because one part of life if socialized does not mean the rest is socialized. Look at Canada--they're the country most similar to the U.S. They're not the DPRK. The U.S. is a social democracy, but not as social as the U.K., France, Germany, Norway, or even Canada. It's a proven system. Why do you oppose the one system that pays for itself and WORKS?

 

[kallipolis]

The U.S. is a social democracy, but not as social as the U.K., France, Germany, Norway, or even Canada. It's a proven system. Why do you oppose the one system that pays for itself and WORKS?

I keep repeating this question without receiving a tangible answer from the opponents of a national health service for the USA.

 

[Benvolio]

SS is not intended to be socialism. It was intended to be a savings system. But, yes, once in place, welfare programs are difficult for politicians to undo.
The people who pay taxes and pay for their insurance know that their own care will be degraded even as they have to pay for the people getting into the long line ahead of them.

 

[mightbe]

I'd noticed. I thought maybe if someone else asked (someone he didn't already outright ignore) he might give us a response.

It's not like it's untrodden ground--the trail has been blazed, cleared, leveled and a paved road now runs along the same path. We don't have to go all the way to the Nordic model (though I think we should), even out to Canada's degree of social support would be a wonderful improvement. That'd certainly be the conservative option.

(As opposed to the reactionary one, which is to torch all government.)

 

[mightbe]

SS is not intended to be socialism. It was intended to be a savings system. But, yes, once in place, welfare programs are difficult for politicians to undo.
The people who pay taxes and pay for their insurance know that their own care will be degraded even as they have to pay for the people getting into the long line ahead of them.

Oh really? Have you forgotten what the New Deal was all about? Relief, Recovery, Reform.

RELIEF. Wherein citizens are guarunteed to have money in the bank at the end of their working life. Part of a social net to ensure the welfare and life of the common person.

RECOVERY. Wherein the public works programs were doused with money. People getting paid a high minimum wage--something like $22/hour in today's money.

REFORM. Wherein FDR and his Brain Trust set out to fix the problems of unregulated capitalism by giving it an injection of socialism. The end result is neither capitalism nor socialism. It's a social democracy--again, a balanced system that works. And it did! Throw in WWII and there was no way that we couldn't have escaped the Great Depression. The 1950's was a time of good thinking--tax the rich, they have more to give. Keep the middle class strong by moderately taxing them--put them in brackets to ensure that everyone shares the burden. Keep the poor alive by helping them. And we did some great things with that revenue.

If you look at every other country that has adopted a national health service, there were teething problems. But they went away when everyone realized that the care was not subpar. In fact, most countries saw improvement in standards, the rest no change.

The reason welfare works is that it helps people get to the point where they may live comfortably, insure their children's future, and pay full taxes. That's the American Dream.

The consequence of slashing welfare and turning it into the travesty it is now is that the dream is dead.

 

[kallipolis]

I'd noticed. I thought maybe if someone else asked (someone he didn't already outright ignore) he might give us a response.

It's not like it's untrodden ground--the trail has been blazed, cleared, leveled and a paved road now runs along the same path. We don't have to go all the way to the Nordic model (though I think we should), even out to Canada's degree of social support would be a wonderful improvement. That'd certainly be the conservative option.

(As opposed to the reactionary one, which is to torch all government.)

Now you have touched a raw nerve amongst those campaigning for smaller government preferably a government that implements a laisser-faire environment the agenda of the Tea Party brigade dedicated to returning the colonies to their rightful place as a settlement for Puritans.