Is CE&P Getting Boring?

[rareboy]

Why make a comment then? I would have not said anything.

This after this:

Well, my take from the responses. Most are pretty much what I expected -- the same thing most talk about all the time. YAWN

Oh well, nice to know that nothing ever really changes.

 

[iman]

Not true. I was here during the Alfie debacle, and no one here has yet posted anything approaching what he posted. He maintained there was a conspiracy because it was convenient for him; it gave him a reason to bitch when he got reprimanded for making inflammatory posts.

Alfie Lives! Somewhere in Rhode Island I think.

 

[rareboy]

Surely it is time to bring back all the miscreants who've been banished from the forum in the past.

What does seem to happen is that the moment the topic up for discussion isn't about narrow US partisan politics, and isn't just a screaming match between one or two hardline, red versus blue or Obama versus Clinton posters, it apparently ceases to be fun or interesting to the partisan apologists and acolytes.

So do you think it is now safe for the general populace to enter this playground?

 

[Jack Springer]

Surely it is time to bring back all the miscreants who've been banished from the forum in the past.

What does seem to happen is that the moment the topic up for discussion isn't about narrow US partisan politics, and isn't just a screaming match between one or two hardline, red versus blue or Obama versus Clinton posters, it apparently ceases to be fun or interesting to the partisan apologists and acolytes.

So do you think it is now safe for the general populace to enter this playground?

Sorry, I can't pass this up.

By your comments, I take it that you think you are part of the safe general populace.

Dude, look at yourself in the mirror. Making 7.76 posts a day is not normal, you slam conservative ideas and people reinforcing your view of "narrow US partison politics", and sometimes you're just plain mean to people when you didn't have to be. (re-read some of your posts)

 

[BostonPirate]

Surely it is time to bring back all the miscreants who've been banished from the forum in the past.

What does seem to happen is that the moment the topic up for discussion isn't about narrow US partisan politics, and isn't just a screaming match between one or two hardline, red versus blue or Obama versus Clinton posters, it apparently ceases to be fun or interesting to the partisan apologists and acolytes.

So do you think it is now safe for the general populace to enter this playground?

it does seem that there are more people posting from all points of view that weren't just a month ago.

There will always be dust ups and arguements, but I find you rather pleasant for the most part!

thanks for being here!

 

[bankside]

Sigh. Rareboy, you have a sharp tongue. There. I said it.

But, as is the way with these things, tongue is always better than teeth.

There are a lot of people out there who really don't have a fucking clue just how far out there their conservo-libertaro-teabagonomic agendas are. That's all good, the ideas are welcome.

(bostonpirate stop snickering when I call them ideas.)

But a number of people who hold those views, whether they're expressed here, or in any number of "user comments" sections of so many populist newspapers, feel entitled to those views as though they are self-evidently correct. They just aren't. They have to be defended with articulate and well-thought-out responses. And very often, that doesn't happen. The trouble with populism is it suggests that people are just entitled to their opinions. Well, that's not true either, at least if people want those opinions to be used to govern me, for example. They had better bloodywell be well defended, and often those people don't.

And when someone posts something from the fringe and a sharp tongue calls them on it, I find it entertaining, and the opposite of boring, and also generally fair game.

 

[White Eagle]

Once again, Nickole has grabbed a thread, this one and focused it on himself and turned it into an Obama thread

heres your answer in technicolor.

It doesn't matter what the topic is, in the end it always becomes about obama.

garbage collection? obamanation's fault
Foreign policy? obamadiplomacy is the problem.
Financial sector? obamanomics

What makes it so disruptive is that it always includes personal attacks by him if you disagree and then you have the avalanche of charachter assasinations that you have to answer...

that well learned and oft read process always goes like this...
very revealing of you to say something like that....
How telling of your values
speaks vollumes to who you really are
blah blah blah
always a host of personal attacks that skate just above the rules of the forum and until the issue is adressed this is the way it will be.

I would like for an Obama subforum or something and all those disruptive posts could just be spun off into a thread of their own in that subforum.

that way, the issues can be discussed without constant hijacking by this senseless and repetitive nonsense.

As I have said, I have problems with Obama, but I don't dare even mention them, because the rest of the thread then imediately devolves into a pursefight with Nick and ( insert name here) about Obama.

Until nickoles Obama hijacks end, its going to stay the way it is.

why no one who CAN do something about it HAVEN'T done something about it mystifies me.

it reminds me of the film, death becomes her, when Goldie Hawn merely says... I want to talk about madeline.... and all the other people in the group lose it and start throwing things and yelling.

that really is what CE&P has become

Not only has Nickole hijacked the threads, but he had managed to hijack the entire subforum.

Thank you. I noticed this change the day after Hillary lost in the primaries. Or, that was so long ago, whatever happened to Hillary, this is when Nick started hijacking threads and making it antiObama threads.

 

[White Eagle]

I'm just glad I don't walk around angry and bitter all the time like he does. Is he ever aware there are pics of nekkid guys at this web site?

I now believe you are truly a Cowboy. Only a Cowboy would say nekkid.
Sorry, now back to topic.

 

[White Eagle]

I am not bored by CE&P. Even though I don't often post, it's probably the forum that gets my time and attention the most.

It's some of the people posting here that really keep my attention. For instance, I admire and am inspired by Jockboy's passionate and ever vigilant attention to gay rights around the world. His posts remind me to pay attention not only to my community, but the world stage and the details in the media. I admire the examination and analysis, not to mention legal expertise and dry humor, in construct's posts. His contributions remind me that there still logic and reason available in our mad world – if we choose to use them.

I've gotten to really like Kulindahr's posts. Although I might not agree with him, he usually provides reasons for the way he thinks, which allows me to view things from a new perspective.

What I am bored with is the blind ObamaHatred. I am bored and tired of reading ObamaCrat, ObamaJournalist, ObamaNation and all that. As soon as that nonsense starts I tune out, because I know where it's going. BostonPirate has repeatedly said he's independent/in the middle and has invited a fellow poster to explain their point to view, he said something to the effect of “I'm open, convince me.” CowboyBob is critical of Obama and said he's not everything we need. Unfortunately, I have the feeling that most of what Boston and CB contribute falls on deaf ears because they're labeled “ObamaCrats” even though they are clearly not.

I am bored and tired of reading “leftist wing-nut” and “progressive loon” type of posts. What that's doing is calling the person crazy. To call someone crazy is dismissive – what they think, feel, believe doesn't matter, because their very sanity is in question. It shows that you are not here for a discussion at all, just to hurl insults. If someone wants to be taken seriously, they should avoid a dismissive attitude.


TL,DR version: I am not bored by the forum's content or topics, just bored with some of the childish behavior. But I still value opinions and perspectives whether I agree with them or not, and hope people keep discussion alive.

Thank you.

 

[Kojimon]

^ThreeCrows spoke for many jubbers in that post.

 

[JayHawk]

I havent had a decent conversation in this forum involving politics since Andreus passed away.

I have had those agree with me or argue against me but never convince me that something was thought of in the wrong light and I should re-think.

Mostly because Adreus dealt respect and received it..

Some of you may not know whom I am referring but suffice to say I only pot around in here every now and again testing folks to see if I can find an opposing opinion that isnt blindly enraged by their idealism.

 

[BostonPirate]

I havent had a decent conversation in this forum involving politics since Andreus passed away.

I have had those agree with me or argue against me but never convince me that something was thought of in the wrong light and I should re-think.

Mostly because Adreus dealt respect and received it..

Some of you may not know whom I am referring but suffice to say I only pot around in here every now and again testing folks to see if I can find an opposing opinion that isnt blindly enraged by their idealism.

Wow

A few members of JUB are aware that he was a close friend of mine, here in Boston. reading these words took my breath away. I came here and read his Memorial thread with his brother, and that was my first introduction to JUB. I knew he was an active member of online forums and that this was one of them, but I was never really motivated to join at length for any real discussion for my own personal reasons.

I understand what you mean.

He was a linguist, and a photographer. It wasn't how or what someone said or did that intrigued him, it was why. He believed that he could never really understand a language until he understood WHY someone spoke the way they did. He had to understand the culture to speak the languages, and he knew many languages. His compulsive nature was really fucking daunting to deal with in person. he truly studied people in a way that I have never seen another person ever do. Every gesture every inflection meant something in his eyes.

He asked questions to not only get an answer, and to see HOW someone would answer but then really try to figure out WHY they believed what they did. He was always ten steps ahead of me in any conversation we had because of that. There were very few of us who ever dared argue with him. Mostly I guess because he could not stop himself from engaging in that NEED to understand the why of people and events. He could not stop until some sort of mutual agreement was reached. He was a product of his culture and he never spoke to anyone unless he respected them. For him, arguing a point with someone was meant as a complement, and he had this weird cultural glitch... hard to describe... Once he engaged he felt it was an insult to him and against others for him to disengage until some real understanding occurred.

But lets be honest. He was also stubborn beyond imagination, strident in his personal convictions and religious beliefs, and vain in ways that wounded him beyond measure psychologically. His drive to understand others was equally matched by his absolute commitment to his prsonal ideology, and that was what killed him. He was wounded while he was in Iraq in the beginning of the war there and lived only to die by overtaxing his damaged heart by fasting during one of his holy months. He thought that was somehow noble. I thought it was just selfish.

I am a very bottom line kind of guy.

I can't see spending a moment on something that wont result in some real pragmatic sollution. He could sit and endlessly ponder a thing and that made me crazy. He could be gracious and charming beyond reason, and believe me he was a truly beautiful man physically, and he knew how to manipulate through that. and then he would turn on a dime and strike out at you verbally to the core with a viciousness unimaginable. He also used that understanding of people to weild an incredible cruelty. Then once he had torn you down, he would just as quickly build you up with charm and humor.

He was very complicated.

Even his personal computer cannot be unlocked. He had four security programs all in not only different languages, but in languages with different alphabets. No one has been able to get past two and no one has a clue what language he actually wrote that damned journal of his in. He spent an hour a day writing his thoughts for years and then made sure no one would ever know what he said.

you say that he dealt respect and he gave it. I agree.

He did that because he was convinced to the core that everyone was exactly and precisely equal as human beings in every way. He had a deep personal need to prove it to himself. Dreu cared about human beings. He would defend someone with a loyalty that never waivered, yet let you know privately that if you couldn't keep up with him it was because you were just not trying.

I've never met anyone like him before and I don't think I ever will again.

 

[rareboy]

Sorry, I can't pass this up.

By your comments, I take it that you think you are part of the safe general populace.

Dude, look at yourself in the mirror. Making 7.76 posts a day is not normal, you slam conservative ideas and people reinforcing your view of "narrow US partison (sic) politics", and sometimes you're just plain mean to people when you didn't have to be. (re-read some of your posts)

Sorry, I can't pass this up.

By your comments, I have to assume that you think you're one of the elect. BTW, I didn't use the term 'safe general populace'. I asked if it was now safe for the general populace to visit this usually toxic swamp of partisan US two party bickering.

Dude, look at yourself in the mirror. Making .27 posts a day, or only 668 posts over a 7 year period under this one nom de guerre is not normal, you slam anyone and everyone who ever had a liberal idea and reinforce my view of "narrow US partisan politics", and sometimes you're just plain mean to people when you didn't have to be. (re-read some of your posts)...in this thread, for instance.

You'll see by the way that I enjoy posting in Hot Topics, which you apparently don't visit. Or at least not as Jack Springer. And when you do, it is usually just to leave a sneering comment.

8 posts a day is nothing. I am an amateur compared to some of the guys that post here.

 

[MystikWizard]

Once again, Nickole has grabbed a thread, this one and focused it on himself and turned it into an Obama thread

heres your answer in technicolor.

It doesn't matter what the topic is, in the end it always becomes about obama.

garbage collection? obamanation's fault
Foreign policy? obamadiplomacy is the problem.
Financial sector? obamanomics

What makes it so disruptive is that it always includes personal attacks by him if you disagree and then you have the avalanche of charachter assasinations that you have to answer...

that well learned and oft read process always goes like this...
very revealing of you to say something like that....
How telling of your values
speaks vollumes to who you really are
blah blah blah
always a host of personal attacks that skate just above the rules of the forum and until the issue is adressed this is the way it will be.

I would like for an Obama subforum or something and all those disruptive posts could just be spun off into a thread of their own in that subforum.

that way, the issues can be discussed without constant hijacking by this senseless and repetitive nonsense.

As I have said, I have problems with Obama, but I don't dare even mention them, because the rest of the thread then imediately devolves into a pursefight with Nick and ( insert name here) about Obama.

Until nickoles Obama hijacks end, its going to stay the way it is.

why no one who CAN do something about it HAVEN'T done something about it mystifies me.

it reminds me of the film, death becomes her, when Goldie Hawn merely says... I want to talk about madeline.... and all the other people in the group lose it and start throwing things and yelling.

that really is what CE&P has become

Not only has Nickole hijacked the threads, but he had managed to hijack the entire subforum.

And that he has.

And if people can not ignore the guy, than here is an alternative. Just tell him, "yes, Nick. We all made a colossal blunder by electing Obama over Hillary Clinton. Obama is a complete moron and the world is ruined. George W. Bush was a better president than Obama.

What we really needed was a woman in charge so that all of us can get in touch with our feminine side and see things through the eyes of a female. The establishment candidate and the candidate lobbyists preferred was the way to go and all of our problems would have been solved if we only elected her."

Regardless of whether you believe any of that, just give him talking points along those lines and make him think you actually believe them. Then, his mission in life will be complete, and devoting hours upon hours upon hours of unpaid posting a week will fulfill his life and give him some sort of sense of purpose.

It's no question of whether it is obsessive/compulsive behavior. It is obsessive/compulsive behavior. And if you remove yourself from the equation, you are debating with maybe 15 posters in CE&P, not being paid, and the petty arguments mean absolutely nothing in the real world and nor will it accomplish anything.

It's rather entertaining, and I hate to say it, seeing someone destroy their own life on an internet forum.

 

[Lostlover]

Truer words have never been spoken.

This forum used to be decent, but a significant group of us left a year or so ago for the very reasons you've stated. How you can still bother to be arsed to read said pearls clutcher is beyond me.

But the powers that be that run this site, and in particular this subforum saw to it that they created the forum in which they have right now, right here. That's what they wanted, and they got it.

It's my first time in reading this forum in the past 6 to 8 months, and the more things change the more they stay the same on this subforum. It boggles the mind how someone can post 9,844 anti-Obama rants/posts doesn't it?

Blame it on the economy. If the troll had a job he/she/it = shit wouldn't have that many posts. I've gone MIA months at a time and I still think I post too much.

Imagine if you're on here everyday. What does that say about your sex life?

 

[Lostlover]

Yes, it's boring and this thread is a good example of why. It took only a few posts for people to turn the thread into a place to post their personal obsessions, make petty personal attacks on others and indulge in vanity posts.

Vanity posts for sure. So many drama queens.

I come in here to debate with an open and fair mind. So seeing the quality of posts slowly degrade into settling feuds makes me even more eager for the economy to pick up so some of the trolls can get a job in the real world.

 

[BostonPirate]

so if the economy was better, then posts would be more interesting and people would be less partisan? That in turn would create a more interesting CE&P forum?

what does the economy have to do with this topic?

What I often see is people using the Import of a singular idea that is really important to that one person into threads over and over again without regard for what the topic really is.

No matter how slyly it is done, it is nevertheless done.

Where is the line? when does that persons important issue of concern become so invasive that it then becomes destructive to the overall content and enjoyment of the forum?

I don't know how to describe that line, but we all know it when we see it happen.

 

[Lostlover]

If the economy was better, a certain troll would have less time to spend on the Internet. Because her or she would be working.

so if the economy was better, then posts would be more interesting and people would be less partisan? That in turn would create a more interesting CE&P forum?

what does the economy have to do with this topic?

What I often see is people using the Import of a singular idea that is really important to that one person into threads over and over again without regard for what the topic really is.

No matter how slyly it is done, it is nevertheless done.

Where is the line? when does that persons important issue of concern become so invasive that it then becomes destructive to the overall content and enjoyment of the forum?

I don't know how to describe that line, but we all know it when we see it happen.

 

[BostonPirate]

you're missing my point entirely.

this thread is not about any kind of policy in the usa. It's about what we do as individuals to make the collective experience better as we talk about the issues, but not in anyway about any issues such as the one you have now mentioned consecutively three times.

this one note ideology often turns people off. or so the theory has been developed.

can you see what I mean?

Your post asks us to supply a reason for why people do things and then suggests that if your agenda item was resolved, this other guy would have different motives and act differently.

the truth is none of us have any real idea as to what the other person's motives are. Perhaps Nickole is a very wealthy retired man who has had great successes in his personal life, and now that he has time this is fun for him. perhaps he wants his ldeas to be heard. We will never know and it is all a big guess.

the cause here is of no consequence in any way. that is just his personal issue. It is the effect of bringing that agenda into any discussion no matter what that is the disruption. imstead of promoting participation and enjoyment it stops traffic to this site and this forum.

just addressing it here has brought people out that were lurking, to participate, and it caused at least one person that had quit the site completely to come back.

I have no doubt that if the owners and operators of the site GOT THIS that it would be addressed.

Hopefully that's whats happening right now.

 

[White Eagle]

I havent had a decent conversation in this forum involving politics since Andreus passed away.

I have had those agree with me or argue against me but never convince me that something was thought of in the wrong light and I should re-think.

Mostly because Adreus dealt respect and received it..

Some of you may not know whom I am referring but suffice to say I only pot around in here every now and again testing folks to see if I can find an opposing opinion that isnt blindly enraged by their idealism.

I remember him and I miss him too. Thank you.