Is CE&P Getting Boring?

[Jack Springer]

I wonder if it's just me getting bored with all the blame, slam and lack of open minded thought on CE&P.

It seems like all the same people saying the same thing - blame this, criticize this.

What happened to open discussion. Many threads are just circle jerks.

I just don't feel the same enthusiasm as I used to. I've taken several breaks recently but when I come back -- it's the same people with the same venom.

Is it just me?

 

[NickCole]

I wonder if it's just me getting bored with all the blame, slam and lack of open minded thought on CE&P.

It seems like all the same people saying the same thing - blame this, criticize this.

What happened to open discussion. Many threads are just circle jerks.

I just don't feel the same enthusiasm as I used to. I've taken several breaks recently but when I come back -- it's the same people with the same venom.

Is it just me?

Not just you, and not just CE&P here at JUB.

The lies and failures of the Bush era have morphed into the lies and failures of the Obama era.

And it's all worse than two years ago because people are beginning to realize that Republicans were disasters in power and now Democrats are disasters in power. And whatever chance we had to turn this mess around has slipped away. A lot of people still refuse to accept it because they're personally invested in Obama, but that doesn't mean they don't feel the drag and that's wearying.

We were already a divided nation and now we're further divided, and that along with our economic problems and general stress is wearing people down. Bush and his followers defending his shenanigans wore us down and now Obama and his followers defending HIS shenanigans are wearing us down. People are tired and frustrated and increasingly fearful. How old are you, Jack? Were you an adult in the 1980s and 90s? Remember the energy? Today that energy isn't pulsating the way it did then. We're in trouble and pretending Obama is a success, or that the oil in the Gulf magically disappeared, or pretending anything else, isn't going to fix it. I think people are getting tired of all the talk. It'd be nice, and energizing, to see some real action that resulted in something real being accomplished.

 

[rareboy]

I imagine that it has only become boring to those who are finding the numbers more evenly matched these days.

The only thing that has changed recently is that more liberals are blowing back, challenging the doctrinaire conservatives and libertarians.

As well, the new kids whether 'cool' or space puppies, just don't have the finesse, the education or the experience to play well in this sandbox.

And of course, there are a few regulars who have ground their ax about Obama down to nothing, but just can't let go of their obsessive need to keep grinding.

But don't be shy about adding your 2 cents worth.

How about posting something about some other country for a change in order to educate readers and provoke an insightful discussion instead of the endless gazing into the US navel?

 

[palemale]

Not just you, and not just CE&P here at JUB.

The lies and failures of the Bush era have morphed into the lies and failures of the Obama era.

And it's all worse than two years ago because now Democrats have been polarized by Obama and his faithful. (Don't be fooled by what's posted publicly on this forum; here and away from here I run into Democrats totally disgusted with Obama all the time, although it's fascinating how many whisper it rather than speak outright. There is a lot of fear in this country.)

We were already a divided nation and now we're further divided, and that along with our economic problems and general stress is wearing people down. Bush and his followers defending his shenanigans wore us down and now Obama and his followers defending HIS shenanigans are wearing us down. People are tired and frustrated and increasingly fearful. How old are you, Jack? Were you an adult in the 1980s and 90s? Remember the energy? Today that energy isn't pulsating the way it did then. We're in trouble and pretending Obama is a success, or that the oil in the Gulf magically disappeared, or pretending anything else, isn't going to fix it. I think between the BS of the Bush years, the BS of the 2008 campaigns, the BS of ObamaCo, texting and emailing and posting online, people are getting tired of all the talk. It'd be nice, and energizing, to see some real action that resulted in something real being accomplished.

I see you are trying to prove Jack right. By the way, how's that treatment for the tin ear going?

 

[NickCole]

I see you are trying to prove Jack right. By the way, how's that treatment for the tin ear going?

Sweetheart, spin it any way to Sunday, no matter what propagandists say from the right or the left, facts don't lie.

Despite all the ObamaNation claims of success, we are worse off than we were two years ago and we're sinking. And that's with Democrats controlling the WH and Congress, and having spent us trillions of dollars deeper into debt only to us grind further in the wrong direction.

Hold on to your fantasies but what's going to shape our future is the reality of this disaster.

 

[palemale]

I wonder if it's just me getting bored with all the blame, slam and lack of open minded thought on CE&P.

It seems like all the same people saying the same thing - blame this, criticize this.

Nick, this is the statement that you are proving correct. Have you always had difficulty following a conversation, or do you just suffer from non-sequitur Tourette's?

 

[CowboyBob]

Nick, sounds like you're very unhappy. Pissed off at the Republicans, pissed off at the Democrats. Should probably move to somewhere else. What exactly would make you happy?

I'm giving President Obama a chance to see how he does. He's been in office for a little over a year and a half. If he fails like Bush did I'll turn on him too, but I haven't given up on him yet.

The recession were were in was deep and it's going to take some time to dig out of it. I didn't expect everything to work out in the first week of his Presidency. There's some things he's doing and not doing I'm not happy with the President about.....

The Iraq and Afghanistan wars. Let's pull out of there and let them blow each other up. $900 billion in direct costs, and for what?!

Needs to slash the defense budget. The USA is a war monger.

Needs to repeal DADT now. To Hell with his critics. He has to stop listening to them.

Needs to end this ridiculous "war on drugs" and legalize pot. Altho I don't use drugs, it's the exact same as prohibition was back in the 20's and 30's. Make something illegal and it only drives it underground and the criminals control it. If it's legal the government can enact laws and control it themselves.

and a few other things. But instead of walking around mad all the time why don't you give him a chance to see how he does?

 

[construct]

I wonder if it's just me getting bored with all the blame, slam and lack of open minded thought on CE&P.

It seems like all the same people saying the same thing - blame this, criticize this.

What happened to open discussion. Many threads are just circle jerks.

I just don't feel the same enthusiasm as I used to. I've taken several breaks recently but when I come back -- it's the same people with the same venom.

Is it just me?

Sometimes I try to take the weekend off. (I think I pretty much did that this past weekend.) I come back, and it's more of the same. Oh, it's modulated differently, and it's about different topics, but the structure of the conversation is about the same. Even Jockboy's threads about gay rights generally devolve into a food fight over whether Obama is really a "fierce advocate" or a wiley tactician.

I wonder whether the situation is helped or hurt by the wingnut ditherfish. They are enough of a distraction to keep the liberal and progressive big fish from chomping each other to bits, so I guess they serve their purpose.

Perhaps a shift to topics of foreign affairs if not actual foreign events might get us out of the rut, but the personality driven aspects of U.S. political combat are just so tempting. Of course, I myself haven't started any threads about world issues. So I ask myself whether I'm all that bored or merely entertained by something as formulaic as CSI: Miami.

And then I wonder whether my brand of meta-analysis seemingly invited by this thread is all that helpful either. At least it keeps me occupied and out of trouble.

 

[NickCole]

Nick, this is the statement that you are proving correct. Have you always had difficulty following a conversation, or do you just suffer from non-sequitur Tourette's?

We all prove it correct, that's a no brainer.

We each bring our same viewpoint to different issues. Duh.

I expanded on Jack's comment. Seemed more interesting than pointing a finger at specific JUBers and saying see it's your fault. But to each his own.

 

[NickCole]

Nick, sounds like you're very unhappy.

In general I'm a satisfied and happy man.

Pissed off at the Republicans, pissed off at the Democrats.

Damn right.

Should probably move to somewhere else.

BushRepublicans told me the same thing.

What exactly would make you happy?

What would make me happy coming out of Washington? Stimulus and energy and financial industry legislation that turned our economy into a healthy direction toward prosperity, health care legislation that controlled costs and made health care equally available to everyone rather than forcing everyone to buy private insurance on their (private insurance's) terms, closing Gitmo, ending the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, repealing DADT and DOMA, passing ENDA. And et cetera.

I'm giving President Obama a chance to see how he does. He's been in office for a little over a year and a half. If he fails like Bush did I'll turn on him too, but I haven't given up on him yet.

Charming. Well I'm not interested in blindly cheerleading pretended successes or turning on people who've earned my support. I'm interested in holding our elected officials accountable while it's happening.

But instead of walking around mad all the time why don't you give him a chance to see how he does?

He's been President for a year and a half, I've seen how he does and I comment on what he does. And I will continue to.

 

[BostonPirate]

Once again, Nickole has grabbed a thread, this one and focused it on himself and turned it into an Obama thread

heres your answer in technicolor.

It doesn't matter what the topic is, in the end it always becomes about obama.

garbage collection? obamanation's fault
Foreign policy? obamadiplomacy is the problem.
Financial sector? obamanomics

What makes it so disruptive is that it always includes personal attacks by him if you disagree and then you have the avalanche of charachter assasinations that you have to answer...

that well learned and oft read process always goes like this...
very revealing of you to say something like that....
How telling of your values
speaks vollumes to who you really are
blah blah blah
always a host of personal attacks that skate just above the rules of the forum and until the issue is adressed this is the way it will be.

I would like for an Obama subforum or something and all those disruptive posts could just be spun off into a thread of their own in that subforum.

that way, the issues can be discussed without constant hijacking by this senseless and repetitive nonsense.

As I have said, I have problems with Obama, but I don't dare even mention them, because the rest of the thread then imediately devolves into a pursefight with Nick and ( insert name here) about Obama.

Until nickoles Obama hijacks end, its going to stay the way it is.

why no one who CAN do something about it HAVEN'T done something about it mystifies me.

it reminds me of the film, death becomes her, when Goldie Hawn merely says... I want to talk about madeline.... and all the other people in the group lose it and start throwing things and yelling.

that really is what CE&P has become

Not only has Nickole hijacked the threads, but he had managed to hijack the entire subforum.

 

[88Jockstraps]

I wonder if it's just me getting bored with all the blame, slam and lack of open minded thought on CE&P.

It seems like all the same people saying the same thing - blame this, criticize this.

What happened to open discussion. Many threads are just circle jerks.

I just don't feel the same enthusiasm as I used to. I've taken several breaks recently but when I come back -- it's the same people with the same venom.

Is it just me?

Jack Springer,

America is currently in a very polarized state. We are more split and polarized in half now than even during the Civil War. I'm pretty sure you know this.

When people are polarized it can make people angry and like you said, venomous! You have to realized that we aren't living in the booming 90's and early 00's. We are currently in a recession and it's making people a little roused up to be honest.

Whenever you get down just realize that this is not the first time America's been torn apart (Civil War) or had economic problems (Great Depression). I'm not saying that you have to be cheery or like the state America is in now; I'm just saying just realized that we aren't living in thriving or happy time.

 

[CowboyBob]

I'm just glad I don't walk around angry and bitter all the time like he does. Is he ever aware there are pics of nekkid guys at this web site?

 

[NickCole]

I'm not saying that you have to be cheery or like the state America is in now; I'm just saying just realized that we aren't living in thriving or happy time.

True. Also remember we lived recently in a thriving time of prosperity, and could be right now. But there's only so long you can coast.

We have the resources; what we haven't had for a decade now is the right leadership.

 

[NickCole]

I'm just glad I don't walk around angry and bitter all the time like he does. Is he ever aware there are pics of nekkid guys at this web site?

I don't come here for porn.

Nothing against it, I just like my nekkid guys real and where we can touch each other.

 

[BostonPirate]

Obama obama obama

Obama obama obama

obama obama obama

thanks for sharing nick

anyone have anything that has something to do with the topic?

 

[mbamike]

For me, the answer is yes.

 

[BostonPirate]

For me, the answer is yes.

LOL...your butt, however is NOT

sorry

I have hormones

 

[rareboy]

^ I have to agree. It isn't for lack of trying to make CE&P more engaging for the hoi polloi.

 

[BostonPirate]

I posted in that thread! it was nice to have a way to express my beliefs.