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Is cheap labor immoral?
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Do not leave out golden time.
If I could get a decent blowjob for 25...why should I pay 50?
For the same reason you could live the rest of your life dispensing with cabbage, but may rather choose not to.
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"anyone can do it". I had a customer tell me that anyone could mow a lawn. Laying aside physical impairments I suppose that there is truth in that statement. Be it frying one hamburger, emptying one trash can, mopping one floor, hanging a few sheets of drywall. Most somewhat healthy people can do what might seem to be somewhat menial tasks or jobs.
The executive doesn't want to spend his time cleaning his rest room, so he hires a janitor. Not many of us want to take our own trash to the dump so we have people in trucks come and take it for us. I have remolded kitchens and baths, built decks and sheds. If I did it for a living I would starve. The people who do these things for a living develop skills and techniques that get the jobs done in a good efficient fashion.
Anyone can make a pizza, but when you want one do you want to put on an apron and whip one up when you could be enjoying life or maybe doing some book work? A worker has value, especially a punctual productive worker that requires little to zero supervision.
I have one part time worker, I don't see him as a worker... more of a consultant I guess. He is a thinker, his input is valuable to me . The first two times out I didn't make much. He quickly developed an ability to operate a ztr mower and worked hard all day. I realized that we needed a "well oiled machine" to make more money. This meant sitting at a computer and tweaking in the routs to eliminate "dead" time going from job to job. Also tie down straps are a pain, so I found some retractable straps that eliminate tangle. I replaced 3 locks with one and put a motion activated alarm on the trailer so we won't have to lock the equipment at every stop.
The last time we cut lawns we made great time, 3 hours faster than the last. He made the same in hours as we were able to do more lawns. He will also be seeing a raise. If you think that "anyone" can do it, then hire just anyone.
The executive doesn't want to spend his time cleaning his rest room, so he hires a janitor. Not many of us want to take our own trash to the dump so we have people in trucks come and take it for us. I have remolded kitchens and baths, built decks and sheds. If I did it for a living I would starve. The people who do these things for a living develop skills and techniques that get the jobs done in a good efficient fashion.
Anyone can make a pizza, but when you want one do you want to put on an apron and whip one up when you could be enjoying life or maybe doing some book work? A worker has value, especially a punctual productive worker that requires little to zero supervision.
I have one part time worker, I don't see him as a worker... more of a consultant I guess. He is a thinker, his input is valuable to me . The first two times out I didn't make much. He quickly developed an ability to operate a ztr mower and worked hard all day. I realized that we needed a "well oiled machine" to make more money. This meant sitting at a computer and tweaking in the routs to eliminate "dead" time going from job to job. Also tie down straps are a pain, so I found some retractable straps that eliminate tangle. I replaced 3 locks with one and put a motion activated alarm on the trailer so we won't have to lock the equipment at every stop.
The last time we cut lawns we made great time, 3 hours faster than the last. He made the same in hours as we were able to do more lawns. He will also be seeing a raise. If you think that "anyone" can do it, then hire just anyone.
^ Well, anyone can screw a big company, or even a smaller one, yet some people seem to be singled out to be payed particularly well for doing it.
Oh, wait, screwing doesn't qualify as a job.
Yes, you pointed out the availability/scarcity issue and all that, but the point is that labor, work, wages, rewards, bonuses... all that is not ultimately about economy, rationality, work... it is all about social position inside a general social structure. Once you understand and accept that, you get the key to start a comprehension of all that seemed mysterious and arcane, even irrational, in economy and "life".
Oh, wait, screwing doesn't qualify as a job.
Yes, you pointed out the availability/scarcity issue and all that, but the point is that labor, work, wages, rewards, bonuses... all that is not ultimately about economy, rationality, work... it is all about social position inside a general social structure. Once you understand and accept that, you get the key to start a comprehension of all that seemed mysterious and arcane, even irrational, in economy and "life".
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Yea, but knowing the law comes from the lawyer.
fabulouslyghetto
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For us USAians, gene splicing is easier than convincing people that greedy CEOs and business owners shouldn't dictate what a person's labor is worth.
You mean the salary or the hiring is immoral?
I mean, isn't it rather miserable for the "employer" to, apparently, be so needy about someone's labour, yet having to hide that weakness by pretending they are in the stronger position, and even doing a favour to the employee by pretending to "hire" their workforce? That sort of employer is in such a debased position that they can not even afford a sort of "Antebellum park" in which they need to feed and keep their game alive to torture them afterwards if they please: now they just expect the misery to come at their door and go away, at certain given times, for a meager pittance.
Again, it is not about labour and exchange (let alone "free"), it is about social status and power: if there were not enough people depending on certain other people to be provided of their means of living...
^ Economy is only there to support a certain social and political order: once it is not useful anymore, you bet it will be left to be blown up by the weapons that system has created against itself: but it must always be an "inside" decision, and I do not mean conspiracy, just the usual order of things and natural decision making process; it is just a "flow", not a contrived devious plan. But people always focus on the benefits, and pack the bad side under a different label: communism, runaway capitalism...
That is the reason why such incompetemt people, some of them even dangerously so, are so well-kept and well-considered (more or less relatively so) even after having screwed those of "their own class": it is simply because it is considered that "they belong". Anyone with a minimum working experience, or even with a minimum of media culture or mere newspaper reading, will be aware of that. That also explains the Boris Johnson, DTrump or the Guy Burgess. As long as they support whatever part of the structures already in place, it is ok, even if those are "buggering" parts. Whatever is already known will not be considered dangerous, as actually harmful or even destructive it may come to be. Now an apparently disruptive force... that's what explains all the bungles and mess built on the "red-scare" during the XXth century: the more or less witty spoilt rats who hold the position to decide, decided that any sort of fundie traditional forces (basically religious) were preferable to any sort of forces derived from theit own Western culture and philosophies (democratic, liberating, socialist principles).
That is the reason why such incompetemt people, some of them even dangerously so, are so well-kept and well-considered (more or less relatively so) even after having screwed those of "their own class": it is simply because it is considered that "they belong". Anyone with a minimum working experience, or even with a minimum of media culture or mere newspaper reading, will be aware of that. That also explains the Boris Johnson, DTrump or the Guy Burgess. As long as they support whatever part of the structures already in place, it is ok, even if those are "buggering" parts. Whatever is already known will not be considered dangerous, as actually harmful or even destructive it may come to be. Now an apparently disruptive force... that's what explains all the bungles and mess built on the "red-scare" during the XXth century: the more or less witty spoilt rats who hold the position to decide, decided that any sort of fundie traditional forces (basically religious) were preferable to any sort of forces derived from theit own Western culture and philosophies (democratic, liberating, socialist principles).
fabulouslyghetto
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Agreed. At least when I write novels there's structure and spacing.
That looks like the digital version of some prisoner's manic scribbling about chem trails and the illuminati.
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Laziness is your enemy
That's what happens to me with some of you, usual suspects, posts, particularly those involving local American anecdotes, or older jubbites going over older times."Structure and spacing" derive from syntax and rhythm, not typography
The question is not how it looks to someone, but how it does read
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