Do you really believe that? Obesity is not always a matter of responsibility. There are many, many reasons for being obese which are beyond the control the individuals. Don't make such a blanket statement.
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Is discrimination against fat people a legitimate argument?
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Do you really believe that? Obesity is not always a matter of responsibility. There are many, many reasons for being obese which are beyond the control the individuals. Don't make such a blanket statement.
A lot of groups are discriminated against; for the most part it is because they do not meet the "ideals" of what people think are "ideal." Blacks have certainly been discriminated against for more than a century -- and on the basis their skin color was different.
I worship at a black Catholic Church in DC and the stories some of the older people tell often bring tears to my eyes.
Obese or larger people do not fit the "perfect model" of what we think people should resemble. My sister has had a heart attack, quit smoking and gained about 50 pounds. She'd love to take it off but she has not been able to shed the weight she gained.
Since I came out five years ago and moved to DC, I made a concerted effort to shape up. I've lost six inches from my waist and 60 pounds. My arms and chest have increased (although I haven't measured them).
I fly -- often. I am shocked by how many obese people there are and I confess it bothers me when they take their seat and part of mine. Yes, I've lost size but I paid for my seat; all I ask is that they fit in theirs. I don't consider that discrimination.
I worship at a black Catholic Church in DC and the stories some of the older people tell often bring tears to my eyes.
Obese or larger people do not fit the "perfect model" of what we think people should resemble. My sister has had a heart attack, quit smoking and gained about 50 pounds. She'd love to take it off but she has not been able to shed the weight she gained.
Since I came out five years ago and moved to DC, I made a concerted effort to shape up. I've lost six inches from my waist and 60 pounds. My arms and chest have increased (although I haven't measured them).
I fly -- often. I am shocked by how many obese people there are and I confess it bothers me when they take their seat and part of mine. Yes, I've lost size but I paid for my seat; all I ask is that they fit in theirs. I don't consider that discrimination.
Going beyond say 150lbs, 180lbs, could fall under the unintentional. When you hit 200, proceed to 250 and then 300, there is an issue of responsibility in there. Somewhere along the way the person should stop to consider diet, exercise, or visiting the doctors if they think it's medical. There's very little excuse for letting things get that bad.
Fifty years ago this continent didn't have an obesity epidemic. What happenned? everyone's genes suddenly mutated? No, we got lazy, we relied more on fastfoods, junk foods, processed foods, and we traded outdoor activities and exercise for 300+ channels and internet.
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Wise words, wise words.
How cum there is NO fat people in North Korea ?
Tread carefully. I was here 50 years ago, and both my father and my grandmother were unable to control their weight due to medical reasons. As was mentioned by myself and others, in many cases, the obesity is due to irresponsibility, but there are many instances where they have no control, and to blame them for their obesity is absurd.
I might not want to sleep with overweight guys, but on a purely social basis, i dont care if a person is fat or not. So long as they own up to it. The most tired line ive heard through the years is "its not my fault!", and it makes me wonder who they are trying to convince. I have friends who admit to eating poorly and not exercising much, and they don't annoy me at all.
But you do realise for the 1 in 10 cases where it's out of their control, the other 9 are claiming exact same thing.
And despite your lineage having this condition, it still doesn't explain the emergence of this massive obesity epidemic since the postwar boom.
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I meant the heat isn't as bad in other states that aren't Arizona.
BINOWGAYLATER
Do that 2 me 1 more time
and, again, the original premise of this so called thread - has been lost..
there is no rationale to discriminate -
the operative word should be ACCOMODATE -
We accomodate people who carry a DISABLED label - i.e., weelchair bound, for one -- missing a limb -- whatever -
but somehow fail to see that the 350-400 pound person is also disabled-- Why is that? because they can somehow still walk around?
You can't even FIRE an alcoholic from a job- because they are "sick" - e.g, disabled -
but God forbid a company gets cold feet because a chubby wubbie falls on the job -- has a huge worker's compensation case -- and it costs them money - so the minute they are back at work - the co. finds a way to terminate them !! yeah' - that' fair.
a skinny person has the same accident - and it's just that - an accident -
well- you know what?
the bull don't shit - the grass don't grow - and there's an awful lot of green grass around here .
there is no rationale to discriminate -
the operative word should be ACCOMODATE -
We accomodate people who carry a DISABLED label - i.e., weelchair bound, for one -- missing a limb -- whatever -
but somehow fail to see that the 350-400 pound person is also disabled-- Why is that? because they can somehow still walk around?
You can't even FIRE an alcoholic from a job- because they are "sick" - e.g, disabled -
but God forbid a company gets cold feet because a chubby wubbie falls on the job -- has a huge worker's compensation case -- and it costs them money - so the minute they are back at work - the co. finds a way to terminate them !! yeah' - that' fair.
a skinny person has the same accident - and it's just that - an accident -
well- you know what?
the bull don't shit - the grass don't grow - and there's an awful lot of green grass around here .
BINOWGAYLATER
Do that 2 me 1 more time
this is very telling -- you're like the 3th grade teacher making a kid write on the board 500 times -
I AM FAT - I LUV MCDONALDS FRENCH FRIES
why is it so important to you that people "own up to it" -- they alreay know they are fat - and you don't need to know why -- just remove the arm between the seats and let them SPREAD OUT -- and ask the flight attendant - for TWO packs of peanuts - WTF?
I'm not trying to be an ass, but I'm not sure I understand the question. "Is discrimination against fat people a legitimate argument?" What argument?
That being said, I have to say that being fat, to a certain degree, is a choice. Genetics, illness, medications etc take away some of the blame, but in the end, being obese is a choice- however, if someone with horrendous genes and some sort of illness chose to NOT be fat, or rather choose to stop eating as much, exercise and stop taking medication they need to survive, they would, at least, become very, very ill. But taking away all blame from an obese person is like saying it's okay to be an alcoholic because your dad and grandpa were alcoholics too- would it be okay for a drunk to board a plane, thus making the person next to them uncomfortable? No, and the same goes for someone who is grossly overweight who simply cannot fit in their seat. Do I judge obese people? To a certain degree, but only as much as I judge someone who has a drug problem or emotional issues. (Also, I'm not comparing obesity to alcoholism, its just the easiest thing to relate.)
That being said, I have to say that being fat, to a certain degree, is a choice. Genetics, illness, medications etc take away some of the blame, but in the end, being obese is a choice- however, if someone with horrendous genes and some sort of illness chose to NOT be fat, or rather choose to stop eating as much, exercise and stop taking medication they need to survive, they would, at least, become very, very ill. But taking away all blame from an obese person is like saying it's okay to be an alcoholic because your dad and grandpa were alcoholics too- would it be okay for a drunk to board a plane, thus making the person next to them uncomfortable? No, and the same goes for someone who is grossly overweight who simply cannot fit in their seat. Do I judge obese people? To a certain degree, but only as much as I judge someone who has a drug problem or emotional issues. (Also, I'm not comparing obesity to alcoholism, its just the easiest thing to relate.)
You are now contradicting yourself.
And, in many cases of 'irresponsible' obesity, the irresponsibility doesn't always rest on the shoulders of the individuals. Parents are very often to blame. So, it is still out of their control and, by the time they're old enough to be responsible for themselves, it's too late and too difficult for them to change the habits they grew up with.
BINOWGAYLATER
Do that 2 me 1 more time
you can teach the ignorant - but stupidity is forever ................
I know they know they are fat. When i say own it up to it, i mean stop blaming everything else but yourself.
Admitting that a slim percentage of cases is due to something other than personal choice is not a contradiction, its a correction. And it doesn't really invalidate anything i've said.
So now were down to blaming parents? I suppose after that ittl be the governments' fault, or even god's, if youre religious.
You know most of the crap they put out is only meant to make people feel better about themselves. But while weve spent the last 20 years tending to people's self esteem, weve ignored the physical causes.
The fact that i have people trying to prove me wrong shows that they have something to prove in the first place. Otherwise people who are comfortable with themselves couldn't give a flying monkey what i say on the subject, they'd be like "yeah, so what?".
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What does it matter if they're under 25?
Don't shoot the messenger
I really have no emotions on the subject. I'll admit im tired of taking shit from fat people calling me anorexic and bulemic, but that's just another sign of a fragile self-esteem.
Id say most of my friends who gained weight did so around 19~20 and then stabilized. Im going on 26 very shortly and ive lost 10 pounds since the summer.
But if ive hurt your feelings, would it make you feel better if i said it's not your fault?
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I would think his point would be that after 25 your metabolism slows down and it you tend to gain weight...
Also for example I have been dieting for a month now and my mom has been trying to quit smoking. And as I try to say to her how man smokers or alcoholics would be sucessful at quitting if they tried to do it in moderation or healthy... I know you wil say it is not the same but with the additives in fast food now a days I would say it is rather similar...
that being said I am down 4 belt notches from eating right and walking everywhere on campus to class etc etc.. and she is smoking because her work is stressful right now...
Also for example I have been dieting for a month now and my mom has been trying to quit smoking. And as I try to say to her how man smokers or alcoholics would be sucessful at quitting if they tried to do it in moderation or healthy... I know you wil say it is not the same but with the additives in fast food now a days I would say it is rather similar...
that being said I am down 4 belt notches from eating right and walking everywhere on campus to class etc etc.. and she is smoking because her work is stressful right now...