Is Islam a danger for Western civilization?

[lambdaboy]

All religions are the problem. Atheist and Proud!

 

[kallipolis]

All religions are the problem. Atheist and Proud!

There are no problematic atheists!!!!

 

[kallipolis]

Let me guess. You've met the nice, homogenised, pasteurised safe ones. You haven't met the raw tribal ones yet—

Those nice, homogenised, pasteurised "safe ones" are as likely to be Timothy McVeigh, as they are Osama Bin Laden.

 

[carey579]

The difference, of course, being that no one goes around beating up chicks for not wearing bikinis.

And the burkha really does mean "a male owns me".

IDK to me every man wearing the same old boring suit to a party and women wearing all different designs and then being criticised for either being 'slutty' or a boring old cow is not that different than the Muslim women having to wear burkas.

 

[dpnice]

IDK to me every man wearing the same old boring suit to a party and women wearing all different designs and then being criticised for either being 'slutty' or a boring old cow is not that different than the Muslim women having to wear burkas.

I think the situation behind Muslim women wearing a burka is a little more complicated than that. Western dress codes have little to no comparison with Muslim dress codes.

 

[Special K]

Let us not forget the violent mass protests that have erupted over the years across the Muslim world in response to what most in the West would regard as freedom of speech. Three prominent examples that come to my mind include the publication of the Satanic Verses in 1988, a fictional novel that was deemed blasphemous and resulted in Salman Rushdie having a fatwa issued against him by Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, which was followed by many assassination attempts against his life, until the British Government finally stepped in and provided him with round-the-clock police protection. Then there was the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy in 2005, which was merely poking fun of a religious figure in a comical manner, yet it sparked violent protests across the world, not only in Muslim-majority countries, but also in countries where Muslims formed a minority. And last but not least, was the Innocence of Muslims, a laughable and crudely-made movie trailer about the life of Prophet Muhammad that came to public attention in 2012 on Youtube, and that example is so recent that I doubt anyone needs reminding of the shit storm that ensued; fatwas galore, flag burning, embassy attacking, fundamentalist Muslims foaming at the mouth like rabid animals, and so on and so forth.

At this stage, I think we all know the score if anyone dares to insult the supposedly 'peaceful' religion that is Islam. So in answer to the OP's question, yes I do think that Islam is a danger to Western civilization, in more ways than one. Islam and the majority of its followers (not all, but most) believe that their religion is infallible and even the slightest criticism is grounds for execution, and for this reason, I do not think Islam will ever be compatible with Western democracy, and nor do I think that Muslims will ever truly grasp the concept of freedom of speech, which they seem to think should not extend to religious matters.

 

[Kulindahr]

I am sorry I can't read that post because it seems to be talking about your own country's internal tribal hatreds. The topic is about the tribal hatreds of people from the Middle East etc who EXPORT their hatreds to innocent people in my country and Europe.

Right. And if you think my post was off-topic, you're even more sadly shallow that I've thought.

Let us not forget the violent mass protests that have erupted over the years across the Muslim world in response to what most in the West would regard as freedom of speech. Three prominent examples that come to my mind include the publication of the Satanic Verses in 1988, a fictional novel that was deemed blasphemous and resulted in Salman Rushdie having a fatwa issued against him by Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran, which was followed by many assassination attempts against his life, until the British Government finally stepped in and provided him with round-the-clock police protection. Then there was the Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy in 2005, which was merely poking fun of a religious figure in a comical manner, yet it sparked violent protests across the world, not only in Muslim-majority countries, but also in countries where Muslims formed a minority. And last but not least, was the Innocence of Muslims, a laughable and crudely-made movie trailer about the life of Prophet Muhammad that came to public attention in 2012 on Youtube, and that example is so recent that I doubt anyone needs reminding of the shit storm that ensued; fatwas galore, flag burning, embassy attacking, fundamentalist Muslims foaming at the mouth like rabid animals, and so on and so forth.

At this stage, I think we all know the score if anyone dares to insult the supposedly 'peaceful' religion that is Islam. So in answer to the OP's question, yes I do think that Islam is a danger to Western civilization, in more ways than one. Islam and the majority of its followers (not all, but most) believe that their religion is infallible and even the slightest criticism is grounds for execution, and for this reason, I do not think Islam will ever be compatible with Western democracy, and nor do I think that Muslims will ever truly grasp the concept of freedom of speech, which they seem to think should not extend to religious matters.

The best thing that could happen to world Islam is if statues making fun of Mohammed went up on every street corner where Muslims live, and stayed there until there weren't any Muslims left getting pissed about it.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

BTW, sometimes I think that western civilization is its own greatest enemy.

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_ no moooor _
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cheer up east west south north up ta sec a latest
_ awsums _

anyway

 

[pat grimshaw]

The apologists will be telling us that this morning's news is just another utterly aberrant, atypical, one-in-a-million incident with no basis in the killer's culture. :roll eyes:



Aras Hussein, 21, cut off the head of friend Reema Ramzan, 18 in Sheffield in Yorkshire in June last year.

The prosecutor says "the bruising into tissue wounds suggest that Reema was still alive as the defendant started to remove her head…"

"The process of decapitation would require considerable motion with corresponding considerable force which needed to be sustained until all the tissues had been cut through…"

"Force would also be needed to restrain the victim who is likely to have been struggling. Severe force would have been needed to cut through the spinal vertebrae with a knife in order to remove the head."

 

[palbert]

^^^ Inquiring minds wanted to know.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/04/01/reema-ramzan-aras-hussein_n_5069496.html

 

[pat grimshaw]

And here's another aberrant, atypical, one-in-a-million incident from yesterday's news.


Ali Jaffari, 35, arrived unannounced from Afghanistan by boat and was allowed to enter the general community two years ago.

"Last year he was convicted of indecently assaulting two boys at a Geelong beach. Witnesses claimed he started grabbing and rubbing himself against them, cuddling and kissing them on the neck and telling one of the boys that he was “sexy”..

The Geelong Magistrate’s Court let him off saying he had a low risk of reoffending. Then he snatched a four-year-old girl at a cricket oval in Geelong last year while her father and brother were distracted.

A second magistrate threw out the child stealing charge and cited “cultural differences”.

 

[mikey3000]

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2010/06/16/i_killed_my_daughter__with_my_hands.html

A few years back a teenage girl just around the corner from my home was murdered by her father and brother for not wearing the hijab.

 

[Kulindahr]

And here's another aberrant, atypical, one-in-a-million incident from yesterday's news.


Ali Jaffari, 35, arrived unannounced from Afghanistan by boat and was allowed to enter the general community two years ago.

"Last year he was convicted of indecently assaulting two boys at a Geelong beach. Witnesses claimed he started grabbing and rubbing himself against them, cuddling and kissing them on the neck and telling one of the boys that he was “sexy”..

The Geelong Magistrate’s Court let him off saying he had a low risk of reoffending. Then he snatched a four-year-old girl at a cricket oval in Geelong last year while her father and brother were distracted.

A second magistrate threw out the child stealing charge and cited “cultural differences”.

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2010/06/16/i_killed_my_daughter__with_my_hands.html

A few years back a teenage girl just around the corner from my home was murdered by her father and brother for not wearing the hijab.

The whole "cultural difference" thing is barbarous. Newcomers have to learn to at least behave in a civilized manner.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

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okay

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thankyou

 

[pat grimshaw]

Here's another aberrant, atypical, one-in-a-million news item from 4 weeks ago

Shuhel Mahboob Ali, now 40, was caught in a sting saying how "he planned to have sex with the man's daughter and raise a 'daughters only' family' so he could abuse them 'once the mid-wife left'…

'When you start with very, very, very young, you can mold them to believe anything and do anything you see,'

Police found bondage tape, two hooded face masks, condoms and cameras in his bag as well as a computer which contained child pornography."

 

[Kulindahr]

Pat, why is it you don't believe in reason or science?

 

[mikey3000]

Sharia Law now in effect in Brunei...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/22/brunei-sharia-law-sultan_n_4143352.html

 

[Kulindahr]

Any nation ruled by any kind of religious law should be expelled from the UN, and all UN members cut off all trade.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^

 

[bankside]

Any nation ruled by any kind of religious law should be expelled from the UN, and all UN members cut off all trade.

Well that would get the vatican out for starters, and I would be delighted with that.