Is Islam a danger for Western civilization?

[pat grimshaw]

Yes, and Christians slaughtering ...

I must ask some of the Christian apologists here on JUB about how frequently Christians kill non-Christians because they're non-Christians.

 

[LilBit]

I must ask some of the Christian apologists here on JUB about how frequently Christians kill non-Christians because they're non-Christians.

You still haven't explained what the sheep slaughter has to do with the topic at hand. Unless you can provide a coherent answer that actually addresses the question, I'm going to have to conclude that you really are a complete fucking moron.

 

[Kulindahr]

I must ask some of the Christian apologists here on JUB about how frequently Christians kill non-Christians because they're non-Christians.

You still haven't explained what the sheep slaughter has to do with the topic at hand. Unless you can provide a coherent answer that actually addresses the question, I'm going to have to conclude that you really are a complete fucking moron.

The Christians are too busy slaughtering sheep.

 

[hotatlboi]

I'll just leave this here...

Should I be scared for my life now?

 

[xbuzzerx]

I get the impression you`re the person that roams from thread to thread just trying to find stuff to argue.

I started my original post with ''in my opinion'', and then i gave my opinion. If you want stats, go search the stats can site.

I get the impression you leap to whatever conclusion seems conveniently at hand, such as your casual claim that Muslims who immigrate to other countries are the ones "least likely to assimilate or give up their religion", and such as your assessment of me here.

It's not my problem you threw out some wide claim you were making up out of thin air, apparently.

 

[xbuzzerx]

Mr Buzzer has that shark as his advertisement to warn us that he's an aggressive biter. There was another guy here who was even worse— he had a picture of a biting Pitbull dog to warn us he was a pugnacious biter.

We should be thankful they show inner selves in their avatar, the Islamic religion claims to be a religion of peace but it seems a suicide bomber killed four in Peshawar yesterday.

A dozen were killed the day before Dujail, Iraq. Twenty Iraqi soldiers are kidnapped and then brutally executed by suspected al-Qaeda on Friday.

At least five are left dead after an al-Qaeda bombing and shooting attack last Thursday in Sanaa, Yemen. Thirteen the day before in Husseiniyah, Iraq and Ghulam Khan, Pakistan.

But as we've said before these killings occurred far away from OUR homes. It's been a whole years since the Boston bloodshed.

Using this logic, I guess you're someone with the mental thickness of a shovel.

 

[KaraBulut]

That doesn't support a claim that Muslims who immigrate "are the least likely to attempt to integrate or leave their religion behind."

And thankfully all those Papist Roman Catholics and Orthodox catholics converted to Protestantism when they came to the US.

To be fair, in Ontario they already recognised traditional jewish principles for settling matters of family law. Muslim immigrants only wanted the same idea for themselves.

In the US, there's blurring of religion and state when it comes to things like marriage law. In most countries, religious marriage and civil marriage are separate things (as in you have two ceremonies- one in a place of worship and the "real" ceremony that takes place in a courthouse or municipal building). In the US, it's normal for the marriage ceremony to be only a religious ceremony. Much of what is in Sharia- Nikah, Riba, et al- are about marriage, divorce, property rights and religious practices which is no different than Catholicism's or Judaism's rules about the same. When Muslims ask for Sharia to be recognized, a lot of what they are asking for is the ability to conduct separate customs around marriage, divorce, inheritance, dietary rules, etc - supplemental to the laws of the country they live in. Strangely enough, no one ever gets as upset when Orthodox Jews ask for the ability to have Kosher restaurants?

For some reason, when Sharia comes up in Western countries, everyone thinks about punishment and dress codes. Requirements for findings of guilt and punishment in the Hadud are so inconsistently enforced that everyone would be better off using the criminal court system of the countries they reside in.

 

[Kulindahr]

In the US, there's blurring of religion and state when it comes to things like marriage law. In most countries, religious marriage and civil marriage are separate things (as in you have two ceremonies- one in a place of worship and the "real" ceremony that takes place in a courthouse or municipal building). In the US, it's normal for the marriage ceremony to be only a religious ceremony. Much of what is in Sharia- Nikah, Riba, et al- are about marriage, divorce, property rights and religious practices which is no different than Catholicism's or Judaism's rules about the same. When Muslims ask for Sharia to be recognized, a lot of what they are asking for is the ability to conduct separate customs around marriage, divorce, inheritance, dietary rules, etc - supplemental to the laws of the country they live in. Strangely enough, no one ever gets as upset when Orthodox Jews ask for the ability to have Kosher restaurants?

For some reason, when Sharia comes up in Western countries, everyone thinks about punishment and dress codes. Requirements for findings of guilt and punishment in the Hadud are so inconsistently enforced that everyone would be better off using the criminal court system of the countries they reside in.

When immigrants make such a request they should limit it -- and be required to limit it -- to marriage customs, then. Nothing that infringes on the existing criminal system should be tolerated.

 

[Yuki Sohma]

I don't now if it is or isn't. Sure seems that much of America's National Defense Strategies are targeted against Islamic Fundamentalists in Islamic Countries but then agen' there's Egypt & Saudi Arabia who seem willing to participate in Modern World Affairs.

What about other Nations represented here on JUB? Do your Nations have any strategies relating to National Defense against against Islamic Fundamentalists in Islamic Countries?

 

[KaraBulut]

When immigrants make such a request they should limit it -- and be required to limit it -- to marriage customs, then. Nothing that infringes on the existing criminal system should be tolerated.

They should be much clearer on the scope of what they're talking about. But there is an inherent problem with a system of laws that is so interwoven with religion- a cautionary lesson that seems to be lost on a lot of Americans at the moment.

 

[mikey3000]

I get the impression you leap to whatever conclusion seems conveniently at hand, such as your casual claim that Muslims who immigrate to other countries are the ones "least likely to assimilate or give up their religion", and such as your assessment of me here.

It's not my problem you threw out some wide claim you were making up out of thin air, apparently.

He threw out no wild claim at all. There are entire communities in cities all over Canada where non-Muslems are made to feel unwelcome. "Infidels" are looked at with disdain and women are yelled at if not accompanied by a man.

Very recently a university professor here had to fight for his job because he would not allow muslem men to be excused from classes that contain women. The professor was overruled.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201..._to_work_with_women_sparks_rights_debate.html

I live very close to one. How about you do some pertinent research for yourself, or better yet, come to Canada and see for yourself. Any major city will do.

 

[mikey3000]

I get the impression you`re the person that roams from thread to thread just trying to find stuff to argue.

I started my original post with ''in my opinion'', and then i gave my opinion. If you want stats, go search the stats can site.

Hello and welcome!!!

 

[xbuzzerx]

He threw out no wild claim at all. There are entire communities in cities all over Canada where non-Muslems are made to feel unwelcome. "Infidels" are looked at with disdain and women are yelled at if not accompanied by a man.

Very recently a university professor here had to fight for his job because he would not allow muslem men to be excused from classes that contain women. The professor was overruled.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201..._to_work_with_women_sparks_rights_debate.html

I live very close to one. How about you do some pertinent research for yourself, or better yet, come to Canada and see for yourself. Any major city will do.

Not a single thing you said addressed my post.

 

[Kulindahr]

He threw out no wild claim at all. There are entire communities in cities all over Canada where non-Muslems are made to feel unwelcome. "Infidels" are looked at with disdain and women are yelled at if not accompanied by a man.

Very recently a university professor here had to fight for his job because he would not allow muslem men to be excused from classes that contain women. The professor was overruled.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201..._to_work_with_women_sparks_rights_debate.html

I live very close to one. How about you do some pertinent research for yourself, or better yet, come to Canada and see for yourself. Any major city will do.

Does Canada have women in their special forces? Some of them should visit a few of these barbaric neighborhoods.

 

[pat grimshaw]

….http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201..._to_work_with_women_sparks_rights_debate.html...

There is a hierarchy of freedoms at his uni where religious rights trump women’s rights.

 

[xbuzzerx]

There is a hierarchy of freedoms at his uni where religious rights trump women’s rights.

At Grimshaw University, Muslims apparently need to hold rallies just so that everything distasteful that Christians do doesn't get applied to them by professors who refuse to retract the statement even after it's shown to be misinformation.

 

[pat grimshaw]

At the University of Abuja in Nigeria, female Muslims are stolen and sold into slavery so as not to annoy the Boko Haram

 

[xbuzzerx]

Doggedly not going to address the blatant falsehood you posted here, ey?

 

[Kulindahr]

Doggedly not going to address the blatant falsehood you posted here, ey?

To the grim, all's fair in mud and war.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^What the f#ck does that…

Primitive peoples shed blood and make human sacrifices to show loyalty to the gods on holy days. That Albanian woman's house is being washed with sheep's blood on a holy day.

Wiki says primitive peoples like Muslims and Christians venerate Saint George as being somewhat of a composite character mixing elements from Biblical, Quranic and folkloric sources, at times being partially identified with Al-Khidr (seen here—.

He is said to have killed a dragon near the sea in Beirut and at the beginning of the 20th century, Muslim women used to visit his shrine in the area to pray for him.