Is it ever okay to out some one?

[sean9999]

There are kids dying because of the continued stance of various and sundry public figures doing exactly that, and THOSE I have no problem being outed.

Thank you, Pianist! I don't want to see these homophobic hypocrites outed to be vengeful as some have suggested. I want them to be outed so they'll be exposed. So they'll lose credibility with their congregations, their congressional districts - and with society in general. Take away their soap boxes. Deny them their platforms. Erase their moral authority to pontificate on our "deviancy" and show them up for the lying hate-mongers they are. Sorry but the older I get the angrier I get.

 

[Homoerectus]

Too many of us have made ourselves physically sick agonizing over how to tell our families and friends we are gay. Before we out anyone we should consider how we would feel if we had been outed before we were ready.

 

[ixthrock]

"outing" is so nineties

we aughtie remember that just because a guy sucks ones' dick, this doesn't necessarily "make him gay." at least that's what i tell all the straight guys i wish would blow me.

i mean, c'mon, haven't any of you ever had sex with a guy, only to have them tell you, "well, dude, that was fun, but i'm really not gay."

and...what is gay?
sucking dick?
having a "republicans for voldemort" bumper sticker?
only looking for gay lovers in shadowy regions like bathrooms and bars?
having a column in the times blogging about your life as a queer dad activist?
getting fired by cracker barell?
appearing on oprah winfrey?
wearing the ring in your left nostril as opposed to your right?
neatly arranging the plumbago across your white picket fence?
wearing the wrong color t-shirt to high school on tuesdays?
owning a pair of chaps and a sling?
being a baseball coach?

sucking dick is sucking dick, but there are all sorts of other things that drift in the back of people's minds when they think of gaydom, and some guys, when they're sucking dick, may not want to be thatimage they see in their head - they don't want to be "gay," but maybe their idea of what being gay is, is totally different from what yours is.

when people like me (happens on rare occasions, i believe) it's not solely because i'm gay, and may have little indeed to do with my "gayness" (whatever that is)

sexuality gets so complicated, and i believe the lines between "gay" and "straight" should blur, particularly when you zoom the google earth autist brain our far enough to realise we are all citizens of the same planet. zoom back in again, and it becomes personal again, but vague outlines (labels like gay or straight) achieve a clarified specificity "should i tell billy that johnny sucked my dick?" (or is a baseball coach)

and all THAT depends on me, johnny, and billy - and probably several external factors.

and THAT'S(outing people in some situations, but not others) not hypocrisy , that's flexibility - being able to adapt different solutions for different situations.

 

[bankside]

"Gay" or "bi" are the two adjectives you can use for a guy who sucks dick willingly. It doesn't matter how he "feels" about being gay or straight because the main relevant point is he feels like sucking dick.

And, hypocrites in public life or philanderers in private life would both be outed by me as soon as I had objective proof. Not only would I enjoy it (I would) but it would also be the only proper ethical thing to do.

 

[TickTockMan]

"Gay" or "bi" are the two adjectives you can use for a guy who sucks dick willingly. It doesn't matter how he "feels" about being gay or straight because the main relevant point is he feels like sucking dick.

And, hypocrites in public life or philanderers in private life would both be outed by me as soon as I had objective proof. Not only would I enjoy it (I would) but it would also be the only proper ethical thing to do.

Ethics brings a whole lot of other things to the table. That is why I asked as an opinion only.

 

[TickTockMan]

Ah, but that is so your world and not everyone's world.

I don't know why, but I can"t let this thread go.

Let it go Icantresist.

Your name says it all.

 

[ahotjock71]

Would you mind elaborating?

His mother, who I outted him to, ended up physically attacking me at a mexican restaurant I was at with my family & friends!

 

[GL]

as tempting as it might be to out someone you find hypocritical at the end of the day it doesn't change the views of those who were already against gay folk. in fact i think it just makes things worse. i just don't see any good reason to out any one person. regardless of what they have said or done. coming out should always be a personal matter that is decided by the individual.

 

[cm98059]

The ONLY person you can out is you. It really is a lose lose situation. They lose credibility, but you lose so much more. I'd be willing to bet that ahotjock71 would agree with me, it cost him much more then it cost the other guy.

 

[bankside]

There is nothing to lose by revealing a fact about someone else when that person is trying to hide that fact for hypocritical political gain, or to cheat on his spouse.

 

[hermanding]

your ex senator - Craig - would be probably a good example of one in which it was poetic justice. his public comments were homophobic, to be charitable. hypocrite, a person of influence, these are the ones who deserve having it done - in the public eye, pretending one sexuality, doing everything to condemn us publicly.
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[Eagle653]

So, it's ok for you to know the guy is a liar and a hypocrite, but no one else should know. Even when he is working against the rest of us.


Just asking.

You bet. I know a lot of things about a lot of people. And, until someone from on high appoints me the Moral Authority of the Earth, what I know stays with me.

It doesn't me I like it, and it doesn't mean I respect them. It does me that I am not some high school bubble-headed busy body who decides what the world should know about whom.