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Is it me or is haji to Mecca a big waste of thousands of lives?

MrRochesterNY

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Every Islamic haji to Mecca takes some innocent lives, mostly from the massive crowds stampeding and crushing their devout fellow celebrants to death. This year the death toll was massive.

Doesn't it occur to these Muslims that a haji isn't worth risking their lives for? What is their reward as they fly off to Muslim heaven?
 
It's part of their faith that they have to go at least once in their life.
 
Too many people on the planet anyway. I think every religion should have a yearly stampede like this.
 
I certainly think it's time people stopped falling for mumbo-jumbo like this, regardless of whether it's badged as Muslim, Christian or whatever.
 
I want to know, is the hajj safer than [STRIKE]accidents[/STRIKE] driving a car?
I think it is but not sure.
 
this wall is so important for the pilgrims, so illogical :##:

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Going to a football match and being killed in a stampede is waste of lives as well.

Apparently though, with about 7 billion of us sucking up oxygen, we can afford a few thousand.

This year's tribute are already martyrs. Maybe one day, the House of Saud will figure out that their Disney ride at Mecca kills.

#hajpilgrimlivesmatter
 
Sadly, there is a clear management problem at Mecca, and it is not representative of other large religious gatherings. Any crowd can stampede and kill, but there are conditions that are avoidable, manageable and predictable. St. Peter's Square sees large, packed crowds, but they don't have this history of hundreds dead on a recurring basis.

Of course, it has nothing to do with the religion, but of those "organizing" such gatherings.

This is the shameful recent history of deaths caused in like fashion at Mecca. It is quite sad.

July 2, 1990: A stampede inside a pedestrian tunnel (Al-Ma'aisim tunnel) leading out from Mecca towards Mina and the Plains of Arafat led to the deaths of 1,426 pilgrims, many of them of Malaysian, Indonesian and Pakistani origin.

May 23, 1994: A stampede killed at least 270 pilgrims at the stoning of the Devil ritual.

April 9, 1998: at least 118 pilgrims were trampled to death and 180 injured in an incident on Jamarat Bridge.

March 5, 2001: 35 pilgrims were trampled to death in a stampede during the stoning of the Devil ritual.

February 11, 2003: The stoning of the Devil ritual claimed 14 pilgrims' lives.

February 1, 2004: 251 pilgrims were killed and another 244 injured in a stampede during the stoning ritual in Mina.

January 12, 2006: A stampede during the stoning of the Devil on the last day of the Hajj in Mina killed at least 346 pilgrims and injured at least 289 more. The incident occurred shortly after 13:00 local time, when a busload of travellers arrived together at the eastern access ramps to the Jamarat Bridge. This caused pilgrims to trip, rapidly resulting in a lethal stampede. An estimated two million people were performing the ritual at the time.

September 24, 2015: More than 700 pilgrims were killed and another 863 injured during a stampede in the 2015 Hajj.
 
MrRochesterNY said:
Every Islamic haji to Mecca takes some innocent lives, mostly from the massive crowds stampeding and crushing their devout fellow celebrants to death. This year the death toll was massive.

Doesn't it occur to these Muslims that a haji isn't worth risking their lives for? What is their reward as they fly off to Muslim heaven?
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it no notin do muslim
_doesnt it occur to these apes humans past 500 ears or up latest-
"alway a got tink is SAD spieces "
or lot oda words a fur sad like lots

anyway

sure every1 a ware cleans a undees

tinku
 
I saw a video somewhere,
the pilgrims said they don't mind being killed there because they go to heaven immediately .
 
Rock concerts, soccer games and the dreaded running of the bulls make no sense to me. People go with what meets their needs, be it religious or secular.
 
The solution is so simple.
Do these rituals at home (like stoning of the devil ... etc)

Also to avoid stampede, there should be arrows everywhere up high for people to see.
I didn't see many arrows .....
 
peeonme said:
Why has no one ever thought of that?
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Because the Saudi make a lot of money from the pilgrims.
And the overseas muslims are sort of dump in terms of spirituality (they "must" go to Mecca)
 
I think that to qualify as a religion, any religion's followers have to believe in something that makes no sense whatsoever.

Can you think of any religion that makes rational sense?
 
"Sense" is subjective.

By definition, religion deals with the ineffable, with aspects that science doesn't adequately address.

The world's major religions all include ethical and moral guidelines, as well as wisdom literature. The fact that they also include the illogical is more a product of their age. The Age of Reason didn't come along before any of them, except Mormonism, which isn't a world religion per se as much as a sect of one.
 
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