Is it racist to say "WHITE PEOPLE ARE OVERRATED"...

[hotatlboi]

@OP - No it is not a racist thing for you to say. Only white people can be racist, by definition racism is a white thing.

Whatever you want to call it, "harboring racial prejudice" or whatever, it's definitely not only white people that can exhibit it.

 

[Telstra]

generalize things is not good.
Its like you say:

Asians are dirty.
Europeans are dirty
Arabs are dirty
Africans are dirty ...

well who eat the poo poo ....

 

[Ozymandias]

@GiancarloC

So you're saying that you are proportionally underrepresented? Sounds like there's truly something wrong going on there.

One problem is societies or individuals not realising they're being racist, and I think that has to do with how advanced multiculturalism is in that society (your examples of underrepresentation in America, which I would consider advanced on multiculturalism, notwithstanding): the Spanish Olympic football team doing an ad with slant eyes before they went to the Beijing Olympics, or a gem of a story in Germany recently: a play had a black character played by a white guy in blackface! And as a defence, the theatre then actually went and wrote a press statement where they said that they haven't hired any black actors since there are so few roles for them, the thought apparently never crossing their minds that Hamlet could be black!
Now: Germany is coming to terms, with a few pangs and false starts, with its status as a multicultural society, but it's quite far behind compared to, e.g., the UK. But it seems quite a few people here don't realise that reducing people to a characteristic that is different from the majority and using it for comic effect is racist - just like a WASP in the 50s might have said, "oh, nothing against black people, fine workers etc, let me just put my black make-up on cos I look so funny in it".
I'm hoping that that'll change here as the debate advances.

@Deandbn:
Was that a serious post?? Being racist is one of the many things all humans are capable of, if in their society they are taught to be, or at least by their parents/peers etc. Viz. the problems Africans or other black expats sometimes have in China. Fear of "the other" is very easily instilled, civilisation is overcoming/combating it.

 

[DigitalFudge]

...when it comes to attractiveness? Is that a racist statement...or a logical one?

To me, it's sort of empowering...but I know to others it's seems racist probably.

Let me clarify. I'm gay, 27 and Asian...and growing up in the USA I used to always ONLY be attracted to white guys (and usually latino too). But for the past year, I'm much more inclined to go towards Asian guys. I won't leave out black guys cuz I can assure you I sometimes randomly get hot and horny over some black dudes...but not too often.

Recently, I just watched the Japanese movie "BOYS LOVE 1" (and 2) on Youtube. There are lots of naked scenes of young Japanese men. And the story itself made it 10x more EROTIC... The guys were so cute.

What's funny is they all have the stereotypically slim/twinkish Asian bodies that years ago I was NEVER in the least bit attracted to. They were a total turn off to me...

But now I find them very sexy...HOWEVER, for some reason I'm not attracted to Asian-AMERICAN guys (even if they are macho and good-looking, I don't find the "Western" side of them to be attractive...I'm talking about Asian guys who were raised outside Asia...of course that's me too). I think the problem is that I associate them with white guys...like they are "spoiled".

I know this probably sounds so racist...but I can't help it. Don't get me wrong, I still like white guys too.

 

[pat grimshaw]

^ the dick can't operate without a brain

 

[DigitalFudge]

Identifying a group of people by their race is not racist.


Excluding them because of their race is racists.


At the end of the day it lacks tact. You have not met an Asian guy you find attractive yet (It irritates me just typing that out). Instead of insulting every single damn Asian could you not just say someone specifically is not your type?


For a group that has been fucked with by people who lack common decency you'd think we would pick up their slack.

False.

 

[Sha-Rok]

Well not if the statement is true....I kid, I kid....

 

[attallaborn]

Good observation. Without bringing race into it as which one is more attractive, I will say that as I have gotten older my tastes have changed too.

I used to be really turned on by platinum, blonde white guys in my teen years and now I find them least attractive. Then, I was into dark, Jersey Shore, Italian types and now they are just ok. Currently, I find arab men and black men soooooooo hott. Guess we all change

 

[attallaborn]

I just don't think that having a preference for a particular race doesn't indicate that one is racist. People have their taste in who they want to date. Why is it your business or anyone elses?

Well, it becomes someone's business when a certain races become ostracized as the undesirable. It becomes racist when someone says " I am only into white guys" regardless of attraction, personality, etc. It becomes even more racist when guys write on their online dating profiles in huge fonts "NOT INTO ASIANS"

I have a preference for Arab and black men but am not solely committed to just those two races. I see tons of hot white and latino everywhere but them always seem to have some plain-Jane, chubby, white chick their arm. That goes for all races too. The hotter the guy, the whiter and chubbier the chick..

 

[attallaborn]

How does it become someone's business when a certain person prefers one race and doesn't another? Who is ostracizing anyone here?

And then you go ahead and post a generalization yourself.

Not generalizing but making a comparison. It seems that in the straight world, females are always complaining about males "preferring" white women over black, latina, Asian, etc. I don't think it's because whites are most attractive but because they are featured in the media more, outnumber everyone four to one, and invite a certain status that other races seem to seek..

It doesn't become someone's business but maybe it should, considering the undesirable race is often neglected and left out of a community that often complains about being discriminated against itself.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

...when it comes to attractiveness? Is that a racist statement...or a logical one?

To me, it's sort of empowering...but I know to others it's seems racist probably.

Let me clarify. I'm gay, 27 and Asian...and growing up in the USA I used to always ONLY be attracted to white guys (and usually latino too). But for the past year, I'm much more inclined to go towards Asian guys. I won't leave out black guys cuz I can assure you I sometimes randomly get hot and horny over some black dudes...but not too often.

Recently, I just watched the Japanese movie "BOYS LOVE 1" (and 2) on Youtube. There are lots of naked scenes of young Japanese men. And the story itself made it 10x more EROTIC... The guys were so cute.

What's funny is they all have the stereotypically slim/twinkish Asian bodies that years ago I was NEVER in the least bit attracted to. They were a total turn off to me...

But now I find them very sexy...HOWEVER, for some reason I'm not attracted to Asian-AMERICAN guys (even if they are macho and good-looking, I don't find the "Western" side of them to be attractive...I'm talking about Asian guys who were raised outside Asia...of course that's me too). I think the problem is that I associate them with white guys...like they are "spoiled".

I know this probably sounds so racist...but I can't help it. Don't get me wrong, I still like white guys too.

hey planet got lot a lands
me hear got names
full a thangs call males
wot twat
while penguins flick threws color cards of centurys doin da big shit

no forgat alls males shit of wot make taday so

nice

so wot is da missin bit?

there go

happy pornins ya wares

thankyou

if da millions a females see this post no forgat ya half da soultion wen ya get ya tits out ya wank

thankyou

 

[Deandbn]

As I said before, only white people can be racist, it is a term used by black people to refer to white people that they thought were oppressing them.

If you want to talk about oppression of any race by any other race other than about whites oppessing blacks, you will have to find another word for it.

Where I live there is a word for black people opressing white people, and that is called anti-racism, or racism in reverse.

As I understand it, the fact that an asian guy does not like to sleep with a white guy is not racist, it is just a preference.

Now if the asian race were to oppress the white race, we would probably have to find a word for it.

But really, IMO this thread is much ado about nothing because who cares what colour guys you like sleeping with OP.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

^It's called racism; all of it. For a person living in a country that was host to apartheid, you sure are ignorant about the word racism, which does NOT take on a new name or form because the person that hates isn't white.

The only thing I'll agree with is yeah, I don't care what color you like sleeping with. Maybe some people should start keeping it to themselves, they'd look less like they're reaching for some sordid conclusion. If it's that much of an issue for you... I feel bad for you, but that leaves more for me.

 

[bankside]

I'm white. It never occurred to me, ever, when I was growing up that I should limit my attractions to just one ethnicity. I would have to be blind to fail to notice attractive men from every background.

And I've told that story time and time again.

The strangest reaction of all has been from people who say things that boil down to:

Of course you notice everybody!!! The White-Controlled Media™ give you White Privilege™ to feel like you can have any man you want! You've Internalized a Sense of Entitlement™ that the whole world is there for your picking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!one!!!! You need to Unlearn your Racism™!!!!

Which makes my eyes roll. TV never did that for me. I feel entitled and self-confident because everybody should feel that way. If you're from an ethnic minority and you don't feel the same confidence or attractiveness, because of the TV shows you watched and the magazines you read, then you need to know that what I have is not privilege, it's just the way everybody's supposed to feel.

As far as changing the media, I grew up in cities of over a million people, and they happened to be mostly white cities. If you go by averages, I see waaaaay more non-white ethnicities on my TV than I'm "supposed" to see based on the world around me. And I turned out all right.

So to answer the original question, on behalf of All White People Everywhere™ (we took a vote and I was elected to explain this one), No, we are not overrated. The rumours are true. We're as good as you think we are. But you are just as good.

 

[hylas]

@bankside: i kinda hate to sound the "youre white so you dont understand"-trumpet, but well, your post comes off as a little smug and ignorant to me.

i mean it when i say: im glad that you grew up to be relatively unconflicted and unburdened by racial issues (so you claim, and im happy to take your word for it). but please dont assume that, just because it was easy for you, it must be equally easy for people of other ethnicities.

the sad fact is that caucasian people are priviledged. thats not the fault of any one caucasian person, but thats how the system has been built, and its changing but only very slowly. you probably have a blind spot or two when it comes to racial issues, and thats understandable and fine, but that post above seems to be terribly blazé about it.

@deandbn: get a dictionary.

(oh god no i let myself be sucked into a race thread again. i will never ever learn)

 

[Frogger17]

It seems as if Race Season is in full swing here on JustusBoys. Oh boy, I'm really starting to hate the word "preference" in general.

 

[bankside]

@bankside: i kinda hate to sound the "youre white so you dont understand"-trumpet, but well, your post comes off as a little smug and ignorant to me.

i mean it when i say: im glad that you grew up to be relatively unconflicted and unburdened by racial issues (so you claim, and im happy to take your word for it). but please dont assume that, just because it was easy for you, it must be equally easy for people of other ethnicities.

the sad fact is that caucasian people are priviledged. thats not the fault of any one caucasian person, but thats how the system has been built, and its changing but only very slowly. you probably have a blind spot or two when it comes to racial issues, and thats understandable and fine, but that post above seems to be terribly blazé about it.

@deandbn: get a dictionary.

(oh god no i let myself be sucked into a race thread again. i will never ever learn)

Hylas, I certainly have a different perspective but the view is fine from here. I am supposedly seeing things from atop the commanding heights of privilege. I would have thought that people who do not share that perspective would be interested in the vista. And I would have thought the same people would be interested to know that, when I look around, there's room for everybody up here. I think I even see an escalator for people who do not like the climb.

There is a strange idea of "taking down the white guy a peg or two" that I want to see defeated. It's like Australia's "Tall Poppy Syndrome" was grafted on to the US Civil Rights Movement or something.

 

[hylas]

There is a strange idea of "taking down the white guy a peg or two"

i guess that can be born from bitterness and frustration sometimes... which of course is unfair and doesnt accomplish anything.

 

[CowboyBob]

Really?

Racism isn't a phobia. It's intolerance and dislike for a group of people. It's something that is taught, which means that people can learn to not be racist and or biased. So you can either choose to follow your prejudices and bias, or you can grow up and not base a group on stereotypes. You can't choose your sexual orientation.

Racism can be a phobia. Phobia means fear and people have a fear of things, people, cultures, etc they don't understand. There are people who profit by exploiting those fears like Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck and the fringe of the republican party to name a few.

Putting a human face on those prejudices changes their fears a lot.

 

[bankside]

i mean it when i say: im glad that you grew up to be relatively unconflicted and unburdened by racial issues (so you claim, and im happy to take your word for it). but please dont assume that, just because it was easy for you, it must be equally easy for people of other ethnicities.

That is true about my upbringing, and no I don't assume that it was the same for everybody everywhere, now.

I grew up without any real risk to my family's middle-class standard of living. The families were in middle-class neighbourhoods where everybody could pay the bills and everybody felt they had a fair shot at working their way up to the upper-middle-class streets in those neighbourhoods, if they tried hard enough. People did not live in insulated communities - even if they did not socialize regularly, my grandparents knew on a first-name basis the billionaires at the top of the road and had gone for tea. Nobody I had ever met actually knew any other kind of life. That is to say, in a city of a million people, all of this seemed normal and universal and Just. How. It. Was.

That's how it was for everybody in this city of a million mostly white people on the Canadian prairie. And, that's how it was for everybody, by which I mean, including The Black Kid™ and The Filipino Kid™ and The Indian Kid™ and The Native Kid™ at my school.

And that's the part where I'm guessing you might assume I don't know what I'm talking about.

I'll take my chances that I do know what I'm talking about (In other words I've had the conversation often enough with people who grew up in that time and place, to know I know what I'm talking about. Incidentally, of the four Kids™ who were our friends along with everyone else, one moved to an American city and had an experience so different from what he knew about equal communities that it would blow you away. At least it blew us away, thanks to the magic of the Facebook reunion.

But even if you don't accept what I know, my point has never been about the assumption you read into my post. And I'm not saying that people of other ethnicities have it easy everywhere; I know better from my own friend who moved to the states.

I'm saying that as an intellectual principle, this isn't a privilege or a perk. It can't ever be called a privilege or a perk... It is very dangerous to stop thinking of self-confidence and self-respect as basic rights that everyone can expect, and turn them into some kind of special extras that people could have taken away because they are "privileged."

Again, I'm not saying everyone has an easy life free of racial issues, I'm saying everyone should have an easy life free of racial issues. And I'm also saying, though I'm guessing you'll doubt me and think I'm naïve, that some people already live in multi-ethnic communities where that is the case. And I'm also saying that in some of those multi-ethnic communities, these conversations have been going on long enough and we've made enough progress that even white people (!!!) can have a valid opinion on the subject.