Is it safe for us to honey moon in Jamaica?

[Alistair]

Have I told you about my 8 inch instrument for universal pleasure?

Do you have pics?

 

[luckynumbah7]

Have I told you about my 8 inch instrument for universal pleasure?

I hear they make remotes smaller these days, perhaps you should upgrade.

 

[luckynumbah7]

I did google. Most of the results came up exactly what you guys are saying, that Jamaica is a shithole for gay people. Little are said about the resorts. Some are said to be friendly to gay couples

Well, personally I usually avoid places that're likely to get me killed and I can't say as I've ever really trusted a group of straight people to realize the score and accurately report it on that account. At best that's a one out've three; choose another destination.

 

[rareboy]

Firstly, my comment about the OP being an engineer wasn't to cast doubt on his profession...it was to point out that we all know, because we've been told repeatedly, that he makes great money.

I was pointing out that he's just being fucking cheap. Like always.

And then he validated this by pointing out that he didn't want to use HIS savings for this celebratory trip. Even to the point of considering spending a 'honeymoon' in a homophobic shit hole like Jamaica.

Because I notice that even though he's putting a ring on it, he didn't say 'OUR' savings.

I know that some people are tight as ticks. And they need to be reminded that sometimes saving a few bucks isn't the only thing that you think about around life's great moments. Sometimes you need to think about the greater idea and then worry about the money. And it doesn't mean that you have to live 'like kings' (or queens in this case).

At the end of the day, let's say that someone (who can bloody well afford it) spends a few thousand more on a special trip and goes to a destination that will be forever memorable, instead of locking themselves into an American owned sandbox equivalent of Guantanamo Bay. I guarantee that at the end of the day, the memories of that trip will be something to cling to in the later years, even if the marriage comes apart when the reality of all of this sets in.

My suggestion would be for the OP and his husband to stick to a trip within the continental US, because I can't see the OP being comfortable spending money anywhere else.

In fact, I would pose the question as to whether, having done enough research to know that Jamaica was a no-go...didn't originally put it forward so that the whole idea of a trip could be taken off the table.

So, this is what I would do.

I would go over and join the bf in Italy at the end of his studies and explore at least some of the culture and history of the country, that the bf would not have had either the time or the money to enjoy. Go to the sunny coast of Amalfi or spend some time in Venice.

Just fucking DO something. Life is amazingly short.

 

[Cormac135]

Alistair, per your comment you left me, when have ever made a personal attack against Cormac?

And why would he need to do that ?

 

[LeicsDom]

I was watching a documentary about Noel Coward and one of the things pointed out was that although it is not illegal to be gay in Jamaica the natives are very very unfriendly to gays
I have personal experience of Afro Caribbeans being very homophobic

 

[kallipolis]

I would go over and join the bf in Italy at the end of his studies and explore at least some of the culture and history of the country, that the bf would not have had either the time or the money to enjoy. Go to the sunny coast of Amalfi or spend some time in Venice.

I concur, for the Amalfi coast is stunningly beautiful. Also try the Cinque Terre, just east of Genoa.

 

[KaraBulut]

...although it is not illegal to be gay in Jamaica...

Nah, it's like the US used to be- it's not illegal to be gay... it's just illegal for two men to have sex.

 

[MakeDigitalLove]

This thread is getting better and better, keep it up.

 

[sixthson]

And why would he need to do that ?

My bad. My post was supposed to be "when have I ever made a personal attack against Cormac" not Alistair. You can answer if you think I have.

BTW, I agree with Rareboy's suggestion that Zombie not be a cheapskate. This is not like taking a yearly vacation. Hopefully, it's a once in a lifetime event that will be remembered forever. However, some people are just very practical, like the OP. Many families fork out 50 or 100 grand for a wedding that could easily have been put to more "practical" purposes, like a house. To each his own, this is not a right or wrong issue.

 

[Latimer]

American. Caribbean. Safer

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/...-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

 

[SaskGuy]

Why would someone go on holiday to an exotic country, when they can't, or won't ever leave the resort? Why not go to a country where you can freely roam around?
People do that when they holiday in Cuba as well... I mean, what's the fun in that? I want to go out adventuring.

 

[frankfrank]

They all said the only time they were outside the resorts were when they arrived and when they left.

Couldn't you just do THAT by going to a resort at Wisconsin Dells and never leave the resort? Or, for that matter, in Chicago? I don't see the point of traveling anywhere, especially overseas, and being trapped within the walls of the resort. It's not much different from being sentenced to a "country-club prison."

Well, personally I usually avoid places that're likely to get me killed

Considering all countries that Americans may consider visiting...

including places such as Turkey, Indonesia, Kenya, Jamaica, Cuba (recently legalized...to some degree), Vietnam (another recent addition, for other reasons), China, Israel, Brazil, India (using this as the bottom of the "consider" list...though higher on my personal consider-list), South Africa, Russia, Morocco, South Korea, Belize...

and countries that Americans generally don't generally consider visiting...

Venezuela, Honduras, Nigeria, Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Cambodia, Papua New Guinea, Congo (both), North Korea, Bolivia, Guatemala, Senegal, Turkmenistan, Philippines...

I would say that - AFTER you remove Russia from the first list (AND include ALL other countries of the world that Americans eagerly visit, including Canada, France, Australia/New Zealand, Italy, Japan, Spain, Mexico, Ireland, etc.), more than half of all anti-gay stories I hear about all non-USA countries that Americans visit are centered on Jamaica.

As a gay person, I would actually feel safer in Iran or Cuba than Jamaica. In fact, I'd feel VERY safe in Cuba.

For that matter, I would choose Dominican Republic over Jamaica, hands-down. There's nothing wrong with going there, and it's still Paradise. It's probably cheaper than Jamaica, too.

At least Iran or Pakistan or Egypt have the sense to realize that if they do something rash with a gay American, they could end up in a fucking war, with bombs (or nukes) raining down on them. As a gay person I would also feel safer in SOME of those "Americans don't tend to visit" countries such as Venezuela or Cambodia.

In fact, Cambodia is not necessarily a "shithole" at all, but the vile reputation of the Khmer Rouge precedes them, and like the Argentina "¡Nunca Más!" policy (which remembers the Disappeared people of the 1980's and, in fact, Buenos Aires has many small monuments that mark where some Disappeared were last seen), Cambodia has policies which help to assure they never have another Pol Pot.

I'm happy, Z, that Jamaica is off the table for you-two. I was starting to worry some.

I think somebody KINDA/SORTA alluded to you joining your mate in Italy and honeymooning there - or perhaps you meet him there and you venture off to some place like Ibiza (OK, probably expensive), or Split**, Krakow**, Prague, Paris, or...the choices abound. You can get to those places on the train if you want. [**If a cow is cracked, is it split?] Hell, I think you'd even have more fun in some place like Bologna which isn't even a tourist destination at all.

You may have a tendency not to want to "waste" money on "frivolous" things but, Z, THIS is something that you want to have pleasant memories of, for your lifetime. Usually the benefits of a trip/vacation are temporary and fleeting, but this is a honeymoon and this is different.

This said, among all countries in the world that Americans "tend to" visit, for me PERSONALLY Jamaica is at the very bottom, the VERY worst, of all those countries on that list. (Russia is, for me, probably second-worst...)

 

[Kyanimal]

Money is totally, completely, Worthless until it is used for something. The value does not come from money itself. It comes from what it can accomplish. It's more important what you DO with it!

LIFE is Short! Our most valuable possessions, when all is said and done, are our memories/experiences. The importance of merely material things fade far faster than what we've collected in our minds, and hearts. Enrich your Self! The bank account won't matter. You can't take that with you. And, if it's just sitting there, it's a dead thing anyway.

When you have the chance, DO something Amazing! You're only cheating yourselves if you don't go for Awesome!

 

[KaraBulut]

One important piece of information that I didn't see in the original post was the timeframe- when are you planning to go on your honeymoon?

 

[naughtyeddie]

try barbados, it is the most gay friendly island in the west indies. legally homosexuality is illegal but this law has been ignored and no one has been prosecuted in living memory ( definitely not in the 20th century). there is no violence against gays here and we have even had gay ministers in government. check it out

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

*reads all the comments from people who have never been to jamaica and only know what fox news tells them about the country*

 

[dpnice]

*reads all the comments from people who have never been to jamaica and only know what fox news tells them about the country*

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Before posting such a biased and meaningless comment you should have gone to Google and done a little research under "Jamaica gay abuse".

 

[bankside]

Go to Cape Town in South Africa. Incredible adventure, beautiful weather, gorgeous ridiculously gorgeous country, great food, great people, powerful history, beaches, and A BARGAIN!

 

[zombiekiller]

Go to Cape Town in South Africa. Incredible adventure, beautiful weather, gorgeous ridiculously gorgeous country, great food, great people, powerful history, beaches, and A BARGAIN!

Isn't anything Africa bad for gay people?