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is this comment racist or unkind?

MoltenRock said:
Do you use Occidental to describe yourself? Or Meridional or Septentrional? No? Then you don't use Oriental either.

Do I get offended when someone says that to me? No, but I do correct them. You refer to Asia like you would to Europe. Western European, Northern European, etc. Ie, Middle East, Southeast Asia, Central Asia, etc.
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I have never heard of any of those words :eek: I don't think I would be offended if someone used them to describe me though. Are they as bad as oriental? Occidental sounds like a toothpaste:-)
 
Quanchi said:
I don't view it as being offensive, but I tend to use the word asian more often. Although India is a part of Asia, we tend to called peope from that country Indian and not Asia. Would someone from India be offended if you called them aian and not indian?
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In the UK, "Asian" usually refers to Indians and other South Asian peoples. I forget what term they use for East Asian and SE Asian peoples.
 
"Asian" is not an accurate word to describe people from asia.
They look really different. The groups are:

* middle eastern
* Indian
* Far East
* Far South-East (indonesia, malay, philipino ... etc)
* Papua new geni (spelling)
* ... so many other groups


the above groups looks so different from each other.
 
i didnt know it was offensive. but i will definitely be careful to not include it in my vocabulary. but i also try not to use racial slurs or anything like that anyway.
 
Harke the Heretic said:
Says a citizen of the country where a newsreporter had the nerve to call Nelson Mandela an African American.
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That's because "African American" refers to skin color, not point of origin....

The question why "oriental" is offensive hasn't been answered yet.
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Which is true. The reason for it being considered offensive is because the term took on derogatory meaning back in the '50's. China was part of the Red Scare (big red country), and so was seen as a major scare (lots of people and resources, and actually a force to be reckoned with, unlike Russia). Combined with the Korean War and the Japanese involvement in WWII, "oriental" (as defined as being east of India, rather than the classical definition) was seen as something it was not good to be seen as, and a number of racist groups used the term as a major part of their literature.

So, because of its use, the term is seen as derogatory.

That I wouldn't normally use them myself, doesn't mean anybody else can't. It can't possibly hurt me.
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How convenient for you. I'm not black, so people using a certain term starting with "n" and ending with either "er", "a", or "az", should not hurt me either. Let's keep using it, shall we?

RG
 
Look to the people you're describing to find out if something is inappropriate. If the use of "oriental" is generally regarded as offensive by Asians, don't use it unless you want to possibly offend others.
 
I've never heard of it having a derogotory connotation before.
 
RobinGoodfellow said:
That's because "African American" refers to skin color, not point of origin....

RG
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No, sorry I'm not buying that. The american bit of it clearly denotes a point of origin, one which the bold Nelson doen't rally fall under.
 
Passion4Muzik said:
Look to the people you're describing to find out if something is inappropriate. If the use of "oriental" is generally regarded as offensive by Asians, don't use it unless you want to possibly offend others.
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That's kinda the point with some people. Upon hearing that some people take offense to the word, some will try to justify the use or feign ignorance or demand a CSI file's worth of evidence. They just like being offensive and get up-in-arms when someone tries to take that away from them.

EwanSF said:
I've never heard of it having a derogotory connotation before.
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Now you have. We learn somethin' new everyday.
 
RobinGoodfellow said:
That's because "African American" refers to skin color, not point of origin....
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I thought African American meant you were born in Africa and moved to America. All this is too complicated for my lil brain. What exactly is an African American?
 
In the UK 'asians' are people of India and Pakistan.

I think locality-wise South East Asian and Far East Asian are more descriptive generalising terms.

As for oriental, I wouldn't take offence at it if the speaker didn't come across as being offensive in tone. Quite a lot of the time, people take offence at words when they're used as verbal clubs to batter others with.

Anyways, if I were to call you occidentals, what would you think? I bet RL would think of male wilderbeest teeth.
 
Ryder11 said:
i didn't read everyones comments. I wasnt aware oriental was considered a racist term.
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It's not racist, just offensive. I think some of you need to look up "racist" in the dictionary. JUBers seem to use that word for every situation involving race.

Ryder11 said:
We should be given booklets every year describing what words and terms we can use
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You won't need it if you know the definitions of the words you're using...|
 
wastingmymind said:
A friend of mine said that if he were black, he'd be offended by the term.

Back to the original topic, this might be why it's offensive.
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Except that in the case of Orientalism, the Orient in question is actually North Africa and the Middle East.
 
this may come off as total white trash, but im confused about how to distinguish between indians. amerindians as distinguished from people from india = asian indians?
 
Lukeee said:
I thought African American meant you were born in Africa and moved to America. All this is too complicated for my lil brain. What exactly is an African American?
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African American is a black American with predominant African heritage.
 
Sigh.

The thought police are at it again.

There is nothing derogatory about using such opposite words as occident and orient, old words for
east and west.

Outside of classrooms, one would scarcely hear the words occidental and oriental.

I heartily agree with Harke the Heretic in his statement earlier in this thread that the way words are used in addressing other people is far more important than the words themselves.

It seems logical to me just to acknowledge people with "Sir", or "Madam" if you are confused about proper pc form. A smiling countenance and pleasing tonality will aid communication.
 
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