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gmoney

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This past year has been quite a ride for me. At this time a year ago, I was still struggling with my sexual orientation, even though I've known for years that deep down I am gay. First, I "came out" to myself, which really did seem like some sort of breakthrough for me. Next I found Jub and began to interact with others like myself and realized I'm not the freak of nature I always assumed I was. Eventually, I came out to my best friend, and then to some of my siblings, one by one. All of this has been accepted with love and understanding. My biggest fear was finally revealing my true self to my father. I could have probably lived the rest of my life without doing this, but I felt like I was leaving something unfinished. Keep in mind, I'm in my early 40's and my father is almost 75. He's a product of his generation and values which make all of this much more difficult. (at least to me). We have a good relationship, but seem emotionally distant and uncomfortable discussing personal feelings in general. I chose to tell him in an email so there would be no interuptions and he could 'digest' what I had to say without me analyzing his reaction. I'm a little confused as to what his reply means. I know we need to have a 'real' conversation and be completely honest and bring this to some sort of conclusion, but I'm not sure how to go forward. I woud appreciate any feedback you guys have to offer. Below, you will find my father's reply. Please read and let me know. Just to let you know, I replaced where he used my name with 'Son'.

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Son, I have tried to give this some serious thought rather than just a knee-jerk reaction.

Here are some of those thoughts:

You are, indeed, still my son . . . and one who I am proud to claim.

I recognize that a great deal of courage was required for you to make this revelation.

I am not offended, but I am troubled.

I am troubled not only over the fact that you say you have decided that you want to embrace the gay lifestyle, but also over how, when, where and why. "When" may be most important at this juncture.

Life is full of pitfalls, and life off the beaten track is infinitely more hazardous.

All human beings need, crave and seek acceptance. We want others to like us and to accept us for what we are. We want approval. This is universal. However, at various times in a person's life, these needs make us vulnerable to exploitation.

Such exploitation occurs all the time in heterosexual relationships. Women are seduced and left to mend their pride and self esteem after every short-term affair. Men, also, are exploited by women albeit in a different fashion - usually leading to a significant loss of assets, both real and figurative.

However, the exploitation that can occur in homosexual relationships has much more far reaching consequences . . . if for no other reason than the image created among the unsympathetic majority.

Be assured that there are proportionately as many warped males looking for vulnerable male partners as there are predatory males looking for naive and inexperienced girls. And both types can be incredibly slick and disarming.

All men will not admit it, but research suggests that virtually all men experience self-doubt at different times during their lives. They doubt - or at least, wonder - about their masculinity. In their younger years, they wonder what it might "be like" to be a girl. In later years, they wonder if the attraction they sometimes feel toward other men might be homosexual in nature.

So. If several of these things should converge at once: self-doubt over one's sexuality, loss of self esteem such as when being fired from a job, and an encounter with someone already on the lookout for this kind of vulnerability . . . the result may be an erroneous conclusion and a tragically unwise decision. And - all the worse - that decision is also likely to be exploited.

Now, Son, I am not trying to say that the above is true in your case. I am not in a position to know. But I am definitely in a position to doubt. I think you know that I approach nearly all things with what I believe is a healthy skepticism. And I would certainly apply a heavier dose of that skepticism here.

It would probably be good for us to discuss this as time goes on. Just cannot communicate completely through emails.

In the meantime, I would urge you to get some professional counseling. And - if you can do so with a reasonable amount of objectivity - research the subject, yourself. The bias of gay forums will not. of course, provide that objectivity - but there probably is a wealth of information otherwise to be found on the internet.

Finally, I hope you will give yourself adequate time to digest all of this and to be certain of the direction you wish to take from this point forward. Remember that you are blessed with a loving family, and do not assume that you will find the same among strangers. Be very slow to share your heart and soul with others.

Know that you have my love.

Know, also, that my door is always open.

- DAD
 
I'd say it's a good start. His response sounds like an educated man of his generation that is concerned for his son, as would be any parent. However, more importantly he expressed his love and support of YOU, willingness to talk about this face to face and (I believe) is looking for assurances that you're making a decision to be gay based on something other than current circumstances and personal vulnerability. He's giving you an open door and a good foundation upon which to build - congrats to you for coming out to him!!!
 
This is a lot to absorb, but - I think he's obviously in a little bit of denial, which is going to be normal for some men to find out their son is gay. Because I think some men blame themselves. They think where did I go wrong? And it's not always that the father can't ACCEPT that his son is gay; they can't always accept the fact that it may have been something they did. Or didn't do. You see what I mean?

You and I are friends. And I'm telling you this as a friend, what I think. And what I see is a father who might be a little skeptical and afraid of what you've told him. But at the same time he's letting you know he's there for you and willing to try and understand.

So from here you two need to communicate face-to-face as often as you can. He's obviously leaving himself open to that, which I think is awesome, I really do.

I'm no expert, I can't give you precise answers. I can only give my opinion. But I think, as skeptical as he sounds, that he's still willing to be your father and love you regardless.

I hug you for your courage, as you have way more courage than me. I wanted to tell my dad before he died, but I didn't have to. He suspected, he knew, and wrote me off, he didn't want me in his life anymore. So I think you've got a very special chance here. And give your dad a chance, too - to accept it. And it sounds to me like he will.

(*8*)
 
First, I think his response is far more thoughtful and open minded than you expected. He clearly says he loves you no matter what, but is still in denial that you are actually gay. He seems to think that circumstances have caused you to think you are gay. Your father is a logical thinker, therefore he needs more information to come to the conclusion that you are gay. He opened the door for a conversation and you should take advantage of it. He needs to understand that you have always been gay, you were just in denial yourself. Once you convey that this is not a new revelation, he will understand that you are gay. He’s also warning you not to be naive about the gay men you meet. I think you're smart enough to already know that. All in all, I think this was a very positive response.
 
Gmoney that is great!, you are really a brave man to be honest with your dad like that, although it was kind of impersonal telling him by email but it gave him time to read it and digest it, and you avoid the awkward and nervous moment of telling him face to face.

The important part is that he loves you no matter what, and he has offered to continue discussing your situation and has opened his heart for you to express how you feel. Nevertheless for him this is a surprise and choking news because you are in your forties and coming out at this stage of your life he may wonder what has happened that make you decide to “embrace this new persona” now. What you have to ensure him is that there is no new you and that you are the same son that he raised and loved all his life, that this was not a choice or a result from your experience in life, tell him you story, how in denial you were all your existence (been miserable inside), and how you have found your true self been honest and accepting who you are; that this is not about any one or anything in your personal or professional life, this is about you and been happy.

It seems that he is biased with the stereotypes of what is “the Gay Life”, tell him that you are not going to change and that you are and will be that same as the boy he raised, just that you are going to find the happiness that completes you as a man, because you are a man that just wants to find love and comprehension; tell him that you used to date women because you were insecure and maybe you though that you could change and followed what society was just telling you.

Tell him that this is not because someone, that it is now when you are going to be open for love, that you are a grown and wise man and you will know how to take care and be careful in this “quest”. You don’t need any professional advice, just him to listen and understand you. Ensure him that you are not miserable anymore that this is what gives you peace in your heart. Maybe if he wants to understand your situation you could take him with you to talk to a professional that could open his eyes to your reality.

So, my recommendation is that you call him and invite him for lunch or dinner and have a talk. Your father seems to be a wonderful person so full of love and understanding.

I am so happy for you, I wish I have your courage; you should go out and celebrate!!!

Numberobis.
 
I think your father's response was pretty amazing for a 75-year old man. It is full of love, compassion and wisdom

He's asking you to tread carefully and is showing concern. I think your next step is to definitely meet with him face to face

Best of luck my friend
 
You are a lucky man to have such a loving Father. I think it only natural that he wants you to be sure that you are really Gay rather than a victim of circumstances, that is to say confused. He is also concerned at the possible pitfalls you could encounter. As all above have said now is the time to talk with him and put his mind at rest, or even think about his concerns and see if they do apply to you. I suspect you may allready have done this but I don't know your full story. (*8*)
 
wow...your dad is a "TRUE" father. he loves his son.
he wants for his son to be happy...and he loves his son...that love is unconditional.

this erudite gentleman obviously ruminated for a time before replying to you because he loves his son. suuggestions of talking to a dr, advvice that gay people can be as cruel as non gay people, that there are advantage takers in all areas and walks of life...hey, thats a loving fathers response.

his e-mail almost struck me as a part of a script fom that 50's tv show father knows best. seriously, i don't do a lot of emotional expression but reading his words really got me close to tears. Couldn't help but wonder what things would be like for me if mine had been that understanding and gentle. he would rather you were straight but ok, live how you need to live to be happy. I'm proud of you and will love you no matter what.

not knowing your past history, i'm guessing you were married maybe a kid or 2 and a messy divorce and dad is trying to ensure you don't 'rebound' and take more hits to the heart.

my friend, you've talked w/me on various threads and i'm sure you know i can be sarcastic but i never hurt any one and i mean every word.

my advice, most similar to doughboy and numerobis,,,but don't go to lunch or dinner, go to his/yr place just the 2 of you, get in kitchen and cook a meal together...its amazing how the heart opens when the hands have something to do and talk is always easier there too...trust me, i'm a dad of an adult son and yr fathers missive is class, he loves you. talk to him reasssure him he is totally on your side.

oh shit, didnt mean to write a book GOOD LUCK and keep in touch...michael
 
Well my friend..... this is something I figured you would never do, talk to your dad about all of this. Good for you.

I don't know that I could anything to what everyone else has written to you here. You know me, I tend to like to make comments in PM's which is what I will do.

One comment though.... damn man, you are full of surprises. You and I have become friends over the past many months, I think pretty good friends. We don't talk as much as we used to but things change. That is OK. I'm proud of you though my friend.

I will write something more personal through a PM. (*8*)
 
To me, it sounds like he is a bit skeptical of your sexuality but at the same time he will be supportive of whatever decision you make. You have a wonderful father!
 
I recommend you look at the sticky of the parental stages of grief at the top of JUB. It was made for death but as psychologists have pointed out it relates to any form of serious grief including coming out to your parents.

Stage 1: Denial
Stage 2: Anger
Stage 3: Bargaining

Stage 4: Depression
Stage 5: Acceptance

Right now your father is floating from steps 1-3 and maybe a little of 4 but most likely he is mainly a 3. You don't have to go in them in order, and alot of people move back and forth but usually there is a general direction even if its 2 steps forward 1 back kind of thing.

Your dad partly believes it based off the leter he sent you, that or he is just telling you what wants to hear(in that case he is clearly in step 3 the barganing.) I see a little denial or wishing it not so, but then again that can be bargaining. What denial he has may be evasterbated by the fact of what he learn and was taught (it is sounding like he is religous but that may just be his age.)

We don't see anger directed at you but that is because he wants to mantain his good relationship with you. Thus you don't see any anger he has. Note the anger may not be directed at you, but it may be directed at you being gay, or at himself for not raising you properly or such.


From the sticky
Parents: "Let me set you up with X. If you only had a girlfriend, you'd forget about guys." "God, I'll do anything if you make him straight." "I"ll buy you a car if you don't date boys." "Maybe we were too strict. If we relax our rules, will it make you feel more comfortable and feel like dating girls?" "I bet if you had more confidence in yourself, you'd feel more comfortable with girls. I'll set you up with a counselor/prostitute/assertiveness training class." (Note he is also bargaining with you by warning you)

Stage 3 is a good stage for your Dad to be in, he went straight to it or at least very quickly. Also by his letter he obviously still loves you, and any disproval, worry, and recommendations he has for stem not out of anger but out of fear. Fear that you will be hurt, you won't get in heaven, or that you won't be happy.

If he already advanced to stage 3 I bet he will come around in time :D

If what we said in this thread isn't enough there is some easy psychological reading material about other theorys of the stages of parents learning about there kids and there thought processes and when/if the accept them. There is a patter though and the stages are almost identical to the five stages of grief, some have 6 some have 4, etc. Can't remember the name of the psychologists who have done them, but there is at least 4, they are usually done with a survey/interview years later of a parent and asking them what they go through. The stages are formulated afterwards when they lump catergories of parents together and then do percents who falled under X.
 
Hey Gmoney,

Congrats mate on your courage and strength to do what you've done here...its inspirational! And you probably dont want to hear it I'm guessing you got some of your insight and courage from your dad.... All we're seeing here mate is his response and we dont know your relationship with him, so while we are all rushing to put him on a pedestal only you know your history with him... maybe thats why you are asking what you are...

To me though mate he sounds scared and fearful for you...I dont know why he feels it but thats what comes through for me. It could be simply that he is worried for you and your new direction in life - trying to show you that on both sides of the fence there are concerns. He seems like he is trying very very hard to make sure that this is the real you and that you arent going with some "trend" that maybe out there (at least to him)...he's trying to use shock and awe for a bad term.

I cant see that he means bad here. Hes trying to protect you from what he perceives as the unknown and what he thinks you perceive as a new lifestyle. And truth be told he wants to be reassured that you are convinced this is the real you. Its hardly suprising after I guess given both your ages (sorry thats not meant to be hard...I'm getting there too...) and lives up until now.

But most of all mate...hes accepted you and more than left the door open to you. Thats the most amazing thing here...forget his email. Dont over analyze mate - talk to him, hug him and love him dearly for the chance to show him the real you. Let him see that you are still the son that he raised and taught values too...and show him that he should be proud of the son that you are - open, honest, loving and trusting.

You're both pretty amazing.
 
Your greatest fear has proven ill-founded so for pity's sake stop agonising and just get on with it. There's no point in beating it to death and you've left your run pretty late in the day as it is.

You couldn't ask for a more considered, caring and humane letter. You should be proud of your father. At 75 he's entitled to enjoy the peaceful security of knowing that his children are secure and content. There's no need to rub his face in it; all that's required is that keep him informed about how your newfound sense of identity and fulfillment is manifesting positively in your life.
 
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