Israeli Government Ads Warn Against Marrying Non-Jews

[Corny]

Wow .. don't know where to begin on this one ..

The campaign, which cost $800,000, was created in response to reports that half of all Jews outside Israel marry non-Jews. It is just one of several initiatives by the Israeli state and private organizations to try to increase the size of Israel's Jewish population.

http://www.alternet.org/world/142478/israeli_government_ads_warn_against_marrying_non-jews_

And then in connection with this (Rabbis are now active on the battle field to push soldier morale) it seems more and more as if Israel is moving towards a theocracy.

I always thought while there are many strong believers in Israel that their general influence in politics is rather low and they keep their heads out of politics anyway
Seems this has changed.

 

[Lostlover]

They're turning into a paranoid group of people.

There's an honest broker in the White House and that has them a little nervous.

 

[Chalchalero]

Wow .. don't know where to begin on this one ..


http://www.alternet.org/world/142478/israeli_government_ads_warn_against_marrying_non-jews_

And then in connection with this (Rabbis are now active on the battle field to push soldier morale) it seems more and more as if Israel is moving towards a theocracy.

I always thought while there are many strong believers in Israel that their general influence in politics is rather low and they keep their heads out of politics anyway
Seems this has changed.

The influence the religious fanatics in Israel have on their politics makes that which the religious right has on American politics pale in comparison. Where do you think the impetus for the inistence upon building settlements in contravention of international law comes from?

They have always been a strong and powerful force in Israeli politics and continue to grow stronger to this day. I for one would be delighted for Israel to become a theocracy, as that would finally erode the last vestiges of support that country has left for it in the world. Perhaps thn it will be forced to play by the same rules and follow the same laws as the rest of the world.

I for one am glad that I no longer live in the US and so my tax money does not go towards supporting that fascist state any longer.

 

[Chalchalero]

I'm sorry, but what am I missing here? Jews have long encouraged marriage among themselves and I see nothing at all wrong with that.

Neo-Nazis encourage marriage only between whites. I guess I can see your point. Nothing really wrong there.

Why are Jews (and especially Israel) always judged by a double standard I wonder? Any other group that espoused such nonsense would be called racist by the entire world.

 

[NineOfClubs]

I'm sorry, but what am I missing here? Jews have long encouraged marriage among themselves and I see nothing at all wrong with that.

I'm with the big dog on this one.

Why not?

Would you be upset with someone, or group, encouraging blacks to marry within their own race, Latinos to marry other Latinos, etc.. Pride? All that?

 

[Apollo]

Neo-Nazis encourage marriage only between whites. I guess I can see your point. Nothing really wrong there.

Why are Jews (and especially Israel) always judged by a double standard I wonder? Any other group that espoused such nonsense would be called racist by the entire world.

Because jews aren't running concentration camps and saying they are a superior race?

 

[Chalchalero]

I don't know, why are they held to a different standard? There are black Jews, the are Asian Jews, there are all kinds and colors of Jews!

This has nothing to do with my point and only shows that you have misunderstood me. I will attempt to clarify.

Look, if Jews want to retain a strong Jewish culture and religion, whom am I to argue? Really, I don't see any problem here and maybe you can frame your point better by leaving the Nazis out, huh?

From the article cited by the OP:

The Israeli government has launched a television and Internet advertising campaign urging Israelis to inform on Jewish friends and relatives abroad who may be in danger of marrying non-Jews.

The advertisements, employing what the Israeli media described as "scare tactics," are designed to stop assimilation through intermarriage among young Diaspora Jews by encouraging their move to Israel.

According to one ad, voiced over by one of the country's leading news anchors, assimilation is "a strategic national threat," warning: "More than 50 percent of Diaspora youth assimilate and are lost to us."

Adam Keller, of Gush Shalom, an Israeli peace group, said this was a reference both to a general fear in Israel that the Jewish people may one day disappear through assimilation and to a more specific concern that, if it is to survive, Israel must recruit more Jews to its "demographic war" against Palestinians.

You may not like the comparison I made, but it applies nonetheless. One could have read such drivel in Nazi propaganda against the Jews in the 1930's. If ANY other group were to make such a ludicrous appeal there would be an uproar and you would probably be a part of it.

The article could have been written by the Nazis in the thirties and good liberals like you would put your nose up in superiour disdain and thank the Lord that such ideas are dead and buried.

Ironic, wouldn't you say?

 

[Chalchalero]

I'm with the big dog on this one.

Why not?

Would you be upset with someone, or group, encouraging blacks to marry within their own race, Latinos to marry other Latinos, etc.. Pride? All that?

Depends on the group really, and whom they are encouraging to do what...After all, whites encouraged blacks not to intermarry in the US for many years and it was determined that this was wrong.

However,

I personally have never been a great advocate of intermarriage so I would have no problem with this purely on its merits. My problem is that Jews are allowed to espouse such ideas and no one else is. You will note that no one else (besides Neo-Nazis and their ilk, of course) is doing such a thing. Interesting company they are keeping.

And interesting that there are those who defend it so hotly and so blindly without even seeing the double standard.

 

[Chalchalero]

^ Sorry, babe, I don't see it. There's a bit of unfortunate hyperbole about "spying," but other than that the goal itself seems quite acceptable by any race or creed. You're dipping into the well of Nazism doesn't help your case -- it a bad position to take and makes one seem hysterical and wild-eyed.

"Unfortunate hyperbole"... Interesting aversion of the eyes there...

I am simply attempting to draw for you the obvious parallels here. Your characterisation of them is what I would call hyperbole, but I suppose it is an American thing. Anyone who disagrees with you must be hysterical. Whatever...

The point is, as I have already stated, I am not againt the idea as a whole. I am just annoyed that such an idea can be espoused by one group but seen as racism when espoused by anyone else. I am sorry you cannot see this.

 

[Chalchalero]

^ Sorry, babe, I don't see it. There's a bit of unfortunate hyperbole about "spying," but other than that the goal itself seems quite acceptable by any race or creed. You're dipping into the well of Nazism doesn't help your case -- it a bad position to take and makes one seem hysterical and wild-eyed.



That is inaccurate. Some southern whites didn't "encourage blacks not to intermarry," they made it both illegal (miscegenation laws) and sometimes deadly to intermarry. Vast is the chasm between choice and force.

You added the second half of this post after I had already responded to the first half. I apologise for missing it.

In response I will only say that I again apologise, as it is difficult to be facetious in writing. I will attempt to refrain in future.

Still, my point was made - you are not obligated to agree with me.

 

[Chalchalero]

We are a very small ethnic group, just how many Jews and Israelis do you think there are? Our population and identity is truly threatened by assimilation, and a generation of children that will not identify as Jewish..

That's funy, because I live in France half of the year and it seems everyone here is Jewish. As far as how many Israelis there are, that is a completely different question, as there are mny non Jewish Israelis and they are the ones being threatened by the draconian laws imposed on them by their Jewish masters. For eample, how many Jewish homes get torn bulldozed for supposed "zoning irregularities"? I have to really wonder who is being threatened here...

Corny, Israel is not becoming a theocracy. Shas still has very few seats in the Knesset and the other religious parties even fewer. Israel is a wonderful place for LGBTs. The ONLY COUNTRY IN ASIA with any gay rights at all and even recognizes gay marriages.

Actually, Shas, UTJ and The Jewish Home are all right wing ultr-ortodox organisations and are all sufficiently well represented in the Knesset that they are part of the present government coalition and form one-sixth of the present Cabinet. It may not yet be a coup, but it is the largest representation they have ever had in any government up til now. I would say they are making progress, wouldn't you?

 

[Chalchalero]

I know Israel is small but when did they pick up sticks and move to Asia?

Israel is located in Western Asia. The term "Middle East" is a strictly Western-centric one and not universal to all.

 

[Chalchalero]

I forgive your unfortunate and inappropriate slam towards Americans ("Your characterisation of them is what I would call hyperbole, but I suppose it is an American thing. Anyone who disagrees with you must be hysterical..."). After all, the Swiss sat-out World War Two, they sat out the liberation of Europe and the concentration camps, they sat out the conflict so they could trade with the Nazis. You know that is true. Don't you lecture me.

Oh, you are a sensitive one...

Firstly, you cannot refer to someone as "hysterical" and then become "hysterical" yourself simply because that same someone points out an observed cultural connection to such an arrogant statement. It just seems...well...hysterical.

Second, this is not a thread about the Swiss, so nothing you have written here applies to the topic at hand.

 

[Ram]

Ah, okay, but what's that got to do with Israel being in Asia?

Israel is in Western Asia a.k.a "the Middle East".

It's the only country on the whole GD continent that has any gay rights.

What are you talking about? Nepal is moving towards recognizing and legalizing gay marriages. Way better than your GD country.

 

[Ram]

I'm sorry, but that's the first time I've ever heard this. Asia's big enough -- leave the Middle East out of it, m'kay?

Erh no. I don't go around breaking up continents because they are "big enough".

Middle East, also known as Western Asia for the rest of us, is a region within Asia. East Asia, South Asia, Central Asia, North Asia, South East Asia -- they are all regions in Asia. That's how we "overcome" the very troubling issue of "big continents". Unlike most Americans, we are not so obsessed with the Middle East to point that it becomes a continent itself.

It's bad enough you guys have got third world health care -- but a third world education system? Buy a map already.

 

[Ram]

Not there yet and we were first

It's not a race. Yeah, Asian countries have a lot to do in terms of gay rights, and we are doing something about it. How can you say that I'm living in a "GD continent" when we face the same type of obstacles as you guys?

 

[Ram]

Well at least we can control our population.

Huh? What?

And BTW, the next time a tsunami wipes "Asia" away, don't call us to bail you out, m'kay? And the next time one of your "Asian" pals conquers the entirety of your continent and subjugates your women into a life of blow jobbery and anal butt-fucking and your men into house boys, please don't ask the US to shed OUR blood to save YOUR capitulating asses again, okay?

What's that got to do with anything relevant in this thread? We are talking about a fucking map and your inability to understand it.

References, pls. Wasn't it your country that invaded Iraq and Afganistan (both in Asia, btw)?

And what's wrong with being a house boy?

 

[Ram]

Ah, sweets, what did the American health care system have to do with this thread?

Look, I never heard of Israel being in Asia, m'kay? It's brand new info to me. If true, fine, I was wrong. But your weak-kneed attack is so lame as to be reduced to the realm of penis envy.

And your "attacks" were so deliciously hilarious. LOL I had fun. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[Ram]

I don't get the point of your contention.

I'm not angry or anything. Just merely stating my views.

 

[Kurn]

I'm sorry, but that's the first time I've ever heard this. Asia's big enough -- leave the Middle East out of it, m'kay?

They were talking about that whole region being part of Asia back in Homer's time and for many generations since. Sorry you missed the discussion, Admiral.

Israel, in conception, is very Asian, but in an antique sense, although there are People like Syrian Christians and Iraqi Sabaeans who would protest at that and say "Hey!, We're not antiques!"

We might go on and talk about how Europe is an extrapolation of the Assyrian (i.e., Asian) Empire. Ergo, Europe is Asian. But of course, Europe is really Europe and Asia is Asia which is where people eat with chopsticks and so on.

In fuzzy logic, "deep" Europe is, as a whole, say, 2-10% Asia. Israel is a country in the Middle of Time.
However, if people wish to stop living out ancient mythology, please do so at your earliest convenience. This applies to Palestinians as much as it does to Israelis. Cold showers? Six weeks in an ashram? Healthy diets? All good, people!!!!