It’s Come to This: UN to Monitor US Election Process

[Kulindahr]

Unproven charge, you mean. The charge is well-documented in the reports cited in this thread. The mechanisms by which voting equipment ensures accuracy should be transparent and readily understood by the public. Anyone running an election should be able to understand that.

Yes. Changing the software within mere weeks of the voting is more than suspicious; not letting anyone else vet it is... suggestive of conspiracy.

 

[maxpowr9]

^No contract bidding is totally a Republican thing to do.

Still by federal law, if the margin is greater than 1%, there can be no mandatory recount which means Romney has to ante up. Romney has so much money that regardless of the outcome in Ohio, he will contest it. Course if Obama stays the course and ends up with 303, contesting any state with a margin greater than 1% is moot but that's my opinion.

 

[Corny]

I'm sure the wrong date was just an oversight!

http://holliston-hopkinton.patch.com/articles/robo-call-says-election-is-wednesday

 

[maxpowr9]

I'm sure the wrong date was just an oversight!

http://holliston-hopkinton.patch.com/articles/robo-call-says-election-is-wednesday

That's literally two towns over from my hometown. I think Corny is stalking me now. Luckily my parents' address and phone # is unlisted. My dad is the only moron that gives out our number willingly instead of his cell phone number.

 

[BostonPirate]

Yeah that one is close here as well. I've had door knockers here for days now, though. Massive Democratic canvassing going on to offset the GOP dirty tricks robocalls.

 

[JayHawk]

That's literally two towns over from my hometown. I [STRIKE]think[/STRIKE] WISH Corny [STRIKE]is[/STRIKE] WAS stalking me now. Luckily my parents' address and phone # is unlisted. My dad is the only moron that gives out our number willingly instead of his cell phone number.

There fixzed that up for you...

 

[Kulindahr]

I've gotten email after email and a couple of letters begging me to go out and call or canvass or talk to people at stores for Obama. I love the reactions when I explain I already voted for Johnson, and only donated to Obama because of the sheer moronic hateful idiocy of the Romney supporters on the web sites I haunt.

 

[Benvolio]

On behalf of Romney, I Thank you for voting for Johnson.

 

[Rolyo85]

I've gotten email after email and a couple of letters begging me to go out and call or canvass or talk to people at stores for Obama. I love the reactions when I explain I already voted for Johnson, and only donated to Obama because of the sheer moronic hateful idiocy of the Romney supporters on the web sites I haunt.

I can't get over this voting for a non-candidate on such a close crucial election :/ That's a Romney vote in my book...

I'm all for promoting third party candidates for position that they can realistically acquire at this point in history. But the president will be one of two people and if one has ANY preference as to which one it should be - which I know you have - I feel it's their duty to vote for that guy.

Because no offense, but as it is now, if Romney wins, you'll have helped him achieve that.

 

[maxpowr9]

I can't get over this voting for a non-candidate on such a close crucial election :/ That's a Romney vote in my book...

I'm all for promoting third party candidates for position that they can realistically acquire at this point in history. But the president will be one of two people and if one has ANY preference as to which one it should be - which I know you have - I feel it's their duty to vote for that guy.

Because no offense, but as it is now, if Romney wins, you'll have helped him achieve that.

For one so involved in US politics, many of us live in states where our vote for President doesn't carry any weight. Obama is carrying MA by over 20 points. My vote will not sway the outcome of my state in the electoral college. In fact I would not be surprised if Jill Stein gets more votes than Johnson in MA. Jill Stein robs far more votes from Obama in MA than Johnson does from Romney.

If you actually give a shit about the national polling, the door is on the right.

 

[BostonPirate]

well let's not forget that Clinton's inability to get a majority, and become elected through pluralty instead, led to a runaway congress, an outbreak of shutdowns, and the eventual Newt Gingerich meltdown and fall from power.

Many think that the congress would not have been so emboldened to challenge him so often if the electorate had given him a majority vote.

 

[Rolyo85]

Fair enough. I guess what I said only counts in swing states. I still say it's a wasted vote. The way to promote third parties is from the ground up, not from the top down..,

And the popular vote matters too.

 

[BostonPirate]

The Popular vote matters in that it authenticates the electoral college method. IF the electoral college votes one way and the pop vote goes the other, it FEELS like the senate overrode the house of reps through procedure to win.

If that makes any sense.

I think the average american is more than detached from the electoral college. I also think that when voting for president people in Boston want to believe that their ONE vote matters as much as that ONE vote will in Ohio, and so they feel more kinship with the popular vote. I think it probably is the same in other places.

So I think that it matters.

Gore won the popular vote, but lost the election to Bush and that is a political wound the nation still hasn't healed from. If the tea party activists have to deal with that, what do you think THEY will do.

I think its best for us to go vote for the president because he needs a firm popular vote to stand up to the obstructionists. I feel just as comfortable as Nate Silvers with the winner prediction being Obama. How he gets there and how effective that is remains to be seen.

Also, lets face this reality... Ohio is going to be contested. Whomever loses it will feel as if the expense of a recount is worth the money if it could change the outcome. So this will be a contested election unless Obama gets 270 electoral college votes from other states.

The only way this will end cleanly is with a decisive Obama Victory.

Obama needs to hit 300 and get the popular vote, or it's possible that the fiscal cliff will come with no legislative action, and all of the bush era taxes will expire automatically, as the congress refuses to take action until Ohio or florida is finished being recounted. Christmas before we know who won, kind of shit

 

[Centexfarmer]

^ want's a pitcher of what he's drinking.

I remember the days in week after the November 2000 election.

Americans need to wake up!

This is not an accident of polling numbers.

I can't recall a POTUS election in my lifetime where the rest of the country truly didn't matter.

Both parties are campaigning toward voter precincts in targeted states for Electoral Votes. They both know that the "popular vote" doesn't amount to shit.

So here's my prediction; the "deficit sequester" is going to kick in that neither party could agree to last year over the "deficit ceiling raising" which resulted in dropping the U.S. Bond rating, hoping that a POTUS election might resolve the issues, our Federal Government Goes over the "financial cliff" taking half of the Global Economy with us, Wall Street Hedge Fund Managers make BILLIONS in the process; the Federal Reserve and all of the Losers that Bush/Obama trusted to "manage things" get even richer, and "Democrats and Republicans" will be pointing their fingers at each other while our Democracy dies a slow but quick death and we begin to make countries like Brazil, Argentina, and Mexico look like financial Super Powers.

I seriously doubt that the U.N. gives a shit unless they're looking for better real estate outside of Continental North America.

 

[Kulindahr]

I can't get over this voting for a non-candidate on such a close crucial election :/ That's a Romney vote in my book...

I'm all for promoting third party candidates for position that they can realistically acquire at this point in history. But the president will be one of two people and if one has ANY preference as to which one it should be - which I know you have - I feel it's their duty to vote for that guy.

Because no offense, but as it is now, if Romney wins, you'll have helped him achieve that.

LOL

The Romney people I know are pissed at me, telling me that's a vote for Obama.

 

[Rolyo85]

Well, it is. It is a vote for whoever I don't like. That's why I say it's a no-vote. If you want Romney, a no-vote helps Obama in your mind. If you want Obama, it helps Romney. Both are correct.

 

[Kulindahr]

He lives in Oregon...

Where Obama is leading, 48 -- 41.

But to an extent that's irrelevant. A third party vote tells the politicians that some of us out here won't support either of them. If we had mandatory voting, my bet is we'd get far more 'third party' votes, enough that one major party or the other (or both) would start catering to the top 'third', to gain the edge.

 

[Kulindahr]

Well, it is. It is a vote for whoever I don't like. That's why I say it's a no-vote. If you want Romney, a no-vote helps Obama in your mind. If you want Obama, it helps Romney. Both are correct.

Both are wrong. I don't want either of them. I don't consider either of them fit to be in the White House, so I won't cast my vote for them.

I barely consider Johnson fit, but at least he's demonstrated character, honesty, and the ability to get things done despite a recalcitrant legislature.

 

[BostonPirate]

One does what one must, but Obama only leads Romney now by One point in the popular vote, and that's the USA.

You live there too.

 

[Centexfarmer]

^ Really?

I thought he was singing about Upper Midwestern Real Estate when he wasn't making any money.

And the "walls came tumbling down" referred to warehouse remodels of closed factories.