It's not the guns.

[TX-Beau]

^ They keep ramming that 2nd Amendment down our throats. Yes, there is a right to bear arms, but that doesn't mean that you must and there is a right to sell those arms, but that doesn't mean that you must.

The 2cnd Amendment does not forbid regulation, it requires it, and we already regulate. What the NRA is doing is trying to remove those regulations because that whore Lapierre gets paid (though fo how much longer?) to lick the sweaty taint, anus, and hairy sack of the gun manufacturers.

2cnd Amendment "arguments" are just bogus misdirection. The FF's weren't trying to give everyone guns to stop the gubmint, they were trying to avoid paying for a standing army they couldn't afford. Odd, to think of a world where the U.S. couldn't afford to be all up in everyone else's shit isn't it.

 

[rareboy]

What is it about guns that makes a mob of people nuttier than squirrel shit.

Of course the Moonies are about as deranged a cult as they come. And it is Bumfuck, Pennsyltucky.

But yup. It is that time of the year again. The Blessing of the AR15's.

World Peace and Unification Sanctuary in Newfoundland believes the AR-15 symbolizes the "rod of iron" in the biblical book of Revelation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hundre...z0YSaiWZfIncY6HvYJxfyhlxpPOACRLTEC5F5MH0LC9Ic

 

[rareboy]

So Walmart's new policy (let's see how long it lasts) of no open carry will apparently pay off as 21% say they will now be more likely to shop at Walmart.

I wonder what kind of backlash they felt at their stores after first brushing it all off. You can bet it was a decline in customers afraid to shop in their stores that drove this and not any change of heart on guns and ammo.


I will lay bets that within a year, they will quietly start selling handgun ammunition again.

https://www.axios.com/walmart-ammo-...oll-6b21d0d2-a55c-45b1-9348-aaa794406bab.html

 

[KaraBulut]

I wonder what kind of backlash they felt at their stores after first brushing it all off. You can bet it was a decline in customers afraid to shop in their stores that drove this and not any change of heart on guns and ammo.

Honestly, I would be surprised if they change back. From the wording in Doug McMillon's email to Walmart employees, it sounds like they listened to their customers and their employees. And more important- they calculated how much money they'll lose which is why I suspect they will continue focusing on the needs of hunters (especially in their rural stores).

I also think they were rattled that one of their former employees killed a couple of his former coworkers at the store in Missisippi. They also probably have an idea that they're going to get sued over the El Paso shootings.

McMillon's email is here.

 

[KaraBulut]

And this didn't get much news today...

In major shift, Walgreens and CVS ask customers to leave their guns outside [CNN Business]

Five retailers have announced this week that they will start asking customers not to openly carry guns into their stores in states where open carry is legal. The moves represent a major shift in the way retailers are positioning themselves in the gun debate.

Walgreens (WBA), CVS (CVS) and Wegmans announced the new policy Thursday afternoon, following announcements from Walmart (WMT) and Kroger (KR) on Wednesday.

"We support the efforts of individuals and groups working to prevent gun violence, and continually review our policies and procedures to ensure our stores remain a safe environment," CVS said in a statement.

 

[TX-Beau]

What is it about guns that makes a mob of people nuttier than squirrel shit.

Of course the Moonies are about as deranged a cult as they come. And it is Bumfuck, Pennsyltucky.

But yup. It is that time of the year again. The Blessing of the AR15's.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hundre...z0YSaiWZfIncY6HvYJxfyhlxpPOACRLTEC5F5MH0LC9Ic

One of my Uncles told me at our Labor day BBQ that it was his Christian duty to keep his guns. I was tempted to go steal them since obviously anyone so stupid should ever be allowed to touch one.

 

[gsdx]

And this didn't get much news today...

In major shift, Walgreens and CVS ask customers to leave their guns outside [CNN Business]

Well, since the government refuses to do anything other than to introduce idiotic legislation, maybe the people are starting to impose their own remedies. I expect other retailers will be doing the same thing soon. It will be interesting to see how it works out.

 

[smokeshadow]

^^and not just a few. . .https://www.thenewcivilrightsmoveme...g-customers-to-not-open-carry-guns-in-stores/

 

[frankfrank]

In major shift, Walgreens and CVS ask customers to leave their guns outside

WAIT FOR IT: 2020 HEADLINES IN 2019:

"House and Senate pass, and Trump signs, bill making it illegal for businesses to bar customers from carrying guns in open-carry states."

Courtesy of the Republicans who, OF COURSE, hate any kind of regulation on businesses.

 

[johaninsc]

WAIT FOR IT: 2020 HEADLINES IN 2019:

"House and Senate pass, and Trump signs, bill making it illegal for businesses to bar customers from carrying guns in open-carry states."

Courtesy of the Republicans who, OF COURSE, hate any kind of regulation on businesses.

I'm no lawyer, but I really don't see the courts upholding that. I'm fairly sure that another's right to bear arms ends at my property line

 

[frankfrank]

^ And actually, as I think about it, the bill would be INTRODUCED AND PASSED IN THE SENATE (yes, something that McConnell would NOT block!), and die in the house.

Don't put it past SCOTUS, though, to uphold the law (on appeal, when struck down by the 9th Circuit or somewhere) if D...ump gets a replacement for Ginsberg. The current "conservative" Justices are NOT conservative, in any way - we're fucked if they get one more. Conservatives uphold the Constitution, supposedly. Didn't the Justices have to swear to do exactly that? The "Republican" ones violate their oath of office (sometimes).

 

[Dystopian]

It's all Trump. No one has ever been shot until Trump took office. I think he even invented guns.

POTUS might well agree with you as to inventing guns. Nothing is too far-fetched at this point.

I blame Donald Trump for gun violence.

Trump has fostered violence http://https://thehill.com/homenews/house/394087-maxine-waters-reads-list-of-times-trump-has-called-for-violence which is unprecedented in our history. He is very aware of his influence over his base. Greater visibility of the Chosen One. Knowing his ability to influence his base, one has to believe that his remarks urging violence reflect his personal feelings, but stir some of his base to action. On blaming POTUS for mass shootings. Obama nor 12 years of Bushes were any different on gun control. Chicken shit. For better or worse, so far this years there have been 283 mass shootings and Trump is POTUS. There is a national crisis mass shootings. Mr. Trump is here and now. He should take a stand and push for legislation for gun control to protect our citizens. His base would go nuts. He would lose voters. The scream about abrogating our Bill of Rights, no matter how incremental....

 

[Sausy]

The thing is, it's bad enough when these mass killings occur. But to have a racist, bigoted, conspiracy minded blowhard as President of the United States spreading a message that validates, despite his protestations on just how not a racist or bigot he is, giving validation and comfort with his wild speeches and tweets that do push the envelope to the very edges of racism and prejudice to those who identify as racists, white nationalists... it's something even Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan would only would do ordinarily in code... because they knew that kind of language that intemperate and provocative was something even the racists would do in private. As President, your words matter greatly... what you prioritize matters greatly. He has a responsibility to honorably discharge the duties of the office and to live up to standards that bring credit to the US, not shame and stain. Trump regularly shames us, degrades us...when you joke during your presidential campaign that you could shoot someone in broad daylight on Park Avenue, and not lose your supporters... that showed from the start how completely bereft of his regards to the seriousness of the office and the great moral weight it carries Donald Trump was is, and always will be.

 

[voltronforce]

It is the guns, no civilian should be able to have a weapon of war.

 

[gsdx]

There has been a spate of handgun shootings in Toronto of late and it is being dealt with in all levels of government from municipal to provincial to federal.

 

[TX-Beau]

It is the guns, no civilian should be able to have a weapon of war.

You know, a responsible person with an AR-!5 isn't going to hurt anyone, isn't going to lose it, is going to keep it locked up. I don't have a problem with responsible people having guns.

Problem one is that irresponsible people are getting guns, and that makes regulation absolutely necessary. Regulation like we used to have.

But that doesn't address why irresponsible people WANT the guns in the first place. Why is it puerile man-children think playing Rambo is going to give them extra inches? Because they are stupid of course, but also because the NRA and the Gun Manufacturers have been manufacturing markets for their products.

They invent personas, they pretend the Constitution says things it clearly doesn't, they pay for laws that encourage and require gun use. They make it easy to carry your gun everywhere - because really, no one can see you're bad-ass commando-man if you aren't carrying your gun. They make it difficult, if not impossible to do any kind of real research on the subject of gun violence.

And the nation's toddler-boys pay attention. White guys are having existential fits anyway these days. It's easy to tell yourself that the uppity negro will fucking keep his place if you have a gun.

Just saying it's the guns is just as stupid, all of this has to be addressed, at the same time, leaving it at take the guns is a cop out.

 

[TX-Beau]

One of my Uncles told me at our Labor day BBQ that it was his Christian duty to keep his guns. I was tempted to go steal them since obviously anyone so stupid should ever be allowed to touch one.

Jesus Christ, I just heard this same argument on the T.V. coming out of the Orange Crusader. It must be the new thing on the right.

 

[KaraBulut]

Just saying it's the guns is just as stupid, all of this has to be addressed, at the same time, leaving it at take the guns is a cop out.

At this point, I don't think the issue is just that it's guns. It's guns that have been designed to be used in war to kill lots of people really fast.

There's a reason that Babe Ruth didn't go to the plate with a tennis racket. No matter how gifted a player he was, he went to the plate with a bat because that's what is needed to knock the ball out of the field. There's a reason these guys aren't taking shotguns. They're taking these weapons of war with them because they know they'll probably die and they want to take as many people with them as possible.

You know, a responsible person with an AR-!5 isn't going to hurt anyone, isn't going to lose it, is going to keep it locked up. I don't have a problem with responsible people having guns.

I've seen lots of gunshot wounds. What happens with an AR-15 is not like anything I've seen. It shatters bone. It causes organs to explode. It shreds muscle. The few who survive gunshot wounds with these weapons of war are usually disabled for life.

There's just no good reason for ordinary people to have them. If you have to take this kind of weapon with you to hunt deer, then you're a pretty shitty hunter and should probably buy your venison.

The assault weapons ban expired in 2004. In the past 15 years, we've established that no good comes from people having these weapons out in the public. They have become the preferred weapon for mass killings.

It's a sad statement but while it might be true that most of the owners of these weapons aren't doing harm, it's also true that they're just too dangerous to be available to the public. And because of these weapons, Americans have to wonder if a visit to a movie theater, a night club, a Walmart, a school, a concert- basically any public place- will end in a lethal encounter with one of these weapons. If you're a cop, you always have to wonder if the shooter you're confronting is going to have better and faster weapons than you do.

 

[TX-Beau]

At this point, I don't think the issue is just that it's guns. It's guns that have been designed to be used in war to kill lots of people really fast.

There's a reason that Babe Ruth didn't go to the plate with a tennis racket. No matter how gifted a player he was, he went to the plate with a bat because that's what is needed to knock the ball out of the field. There's a reason these guys aren't taking shotguns. They're taking these weapons of war with them because they know they'll probably die and they want to take as many people with them as possible.



I've seen lots of gunshot wounds. What happens with an AR-15 is not like anything I've seen. It shatters bone. It causes organs to explode. It shreds muscle. The few who survive gunshot wounds with these weapons of war are usually disabled for life.

There's just no good reason for ordinary people to have them. If you have to take this kind of weapon with you to hunt deer, then you're a pretty shitty hunter and should probably buy your venison.

The assault weapons ban expired in 2004. In the past 15 years, we've established that no good comes from people having these weapons out in the public. They have become the preferred weapon for mass killings.

It's a sad statement but while it might be true that most of the owners of these weapons aren't doing harm, it's also true that they're just too dangerous to be available to the public. And because of these weapons, Americans have to wonder if a visit to a movie theater, a night club, a Walmart, a school, a concert- basically any public place- will end in a lethal encounter with one of these weapons. If you're a cop, you always have to wonder if the shooter you're confronting is going to have better and faster weapons than you do.

This is exactly the mistake people on the left always make. The argument on the other side isn't about need at all. No one is hunting with an AR-15. That's never been the point of having one. You can talk about how dangerous they are all day long, and that will only justify having them in the minds of people who buy them. The point is how dangerous they are.

You want to stop people from buying them, not only do you have to have a ban, you have to address why they want one in the first place, because I guarantee you that a ban isn't going to stop the determined, and while easy access is certainly unwise and should be curtailed, the underlying issue will be there until we stop blaming the tool used to pursue it for everything.

 

[TX-Beau]

BTW dedicated sport hunters aren't the people buying a lot of assault rifles.