It's Time For Big Brother 8 (USA)!!! (Merged)

[yuechan]

What blog?

I'm not the one on national TV acting like a queen. Plus I think we as gay/bisexual men here know that not all gays are queens.

But you are acting like a bit of an ahole on jub.

It's just a majority of America that sees Dustin as the "typical" gay guy that it becomes detrimental to our community.

Sadly, the majority of Americans are retarded, it doesn't mean that we have to change who we are as individuals to make them happy.

You have to ask yourself, why did the gay guy live an alliance with a strong group (Dick and Danielle together have won three head of house households and two power of vetos) versus joining that useless and comatose group of Jameka, Jessica and Amber who barely won their first competition right after Dustin joined their group?

B/C ED is an asshole, and his offspring is a little whiny bitch, I wouldn't align myself with them.

 

[ross_1986]

Amber is so annoying. Stop crying and toughen up!!! My GOD, how does she expect to win in this game if she cries every 5 seconds!!

 

[Lostlover]

I don't see what this has to do with anything. Are you saying he appears weak by leaving the so called "strong group" and that makes gay people look bad? Strategy wise I think he was smart to try to find a new group. It's extremely unlikely he could have won by sticking with them. Which of that father/daughter combo was going to turn on the other and bring Dustin to the final two? He's not out of the game because he chose to allign himself with the wrong people, he's out of the game because he was stupid and arrogant and volunteered to be nominated. That's his problem, not the gay communities.

Actually, that was his problem. He has such an affinity of those useless chicks that he ditched his strong group for a useless and annoying group. Hey Zach is still in right? He would be still in if he wasn't "one of the chicks" in the house. And you're right, that's fine and dandy if that is you. But this guy is representing gays whether you like it or not. And all he did was give ammunition to people like Kail that live in their own little bubbles and have minimal exposure to gays.

Why does CBS keep putting on gender confused gays? That's been my issue all along even when Joe was in the house (I like Joe by the way). Then Dustin's attitude/demeanor/behavior came out and his true colors were shown. It just furthered my dislike of him and everything he stood for (actually he just lied and lied so he didn't stand for much outside of curling his eyebrows the best amongst the females).

 

[Lostlover]

B/C ED is an asshole, and his offspring is a little whiny bitch, I wouldn't align myself with them.

And you'd be out too just like Dustin.

Zach's still in the game and Dustin's out. Do you still think you would leave ED again?

And Jameka's praying isn't annoying? And Amber's crying and lying isn't annoying (she's lied. We all have but she makes such a big issue of her honesty.)

 

[noah617]

Dustin isn't out because he aligned with the wrong people. He's out because he was over confident and volunteered to be a pawn, and because of a twist in the game he had no way of knowing about. If he didn't volunteer, most likely Dick, Zach, or Jen would have been evicted and Dustin would be sitting pretty in an alliance with two people he could trust. If he stuck with Dick and Danielle he could have done no better than third. By making his move he gave himself a chance to win.

I don't know if you have access to the feeds and are seeing more of the show than I am, but my understanding was that Zach aligned with Jessica, not Dick, and told her he'd vote however she wanted. You're holding him out as an example of someone who can be proud of the way he's playing the game? He's been completely passive, annoyed everybody, and hasn't made a single move to better his cause. He's only still in the game because he's no threat.

 

[Lostlover]

Dustin isn't out because he aligned with the wrong people. He's out because he was over confident and volunteered to be a pawn, and because of a twist in the game he had no way of knowing about. If he didn't volunteer, most likely Dick, Zach, or Jen would have been evicted and Dustin would be sitting pretty in an alliance with two people he could trust. If he stuck with Dick and Danielle he could have done no better than third. By making his move he gave himself a chance to win.

I don't know if you have access to the feeds and are seeing more of the show than I am, but my understanding was that Zach aligned with Jessica, not Dick, and told her he'd vote however she wanted. You're holding him out as an example of someone who can be proud of the way he's playing the game? He's been completely passive, annoyed everybody, and hasn't made a single move to better his cause. He's only still in the game because he's no threat.

Whether Dustin volunteered or not, it really isn't important because he was going up anyways. You really think Jessica was going to put up Eric or the two females she was closest to all along?

Plus, Eric would have EASILY manipulated Jessica to putting up Dustin (because America wanted Dustin up). Don't forget Jessica is the same chick that thinks Eric has been 100% honest with him. She's the only one in the house that probably thinks Eric is honest.

Dustin's fate was sealed.

Actually, my point was someone as mindless as Zach is still in the game while Dustin who was forging alliances is out. Maybe Dustin shouldn't have gravitated towards the chicks which is my main point. And funny, Dustin instantly accused Eric of lying. He had trust issues for Eric and still joined his alliance, which makes his decision to ditch a strong Eric and Danielle alliance all the more puzzling.

 

[noah617]

Whether Dustin volunteered or not, it really isn't important because he was going up anyways. You really think Jessica was going to put up Eric or the two females she was closest to all along?.

No, as I said I thought she'd put up Jen or Zach.

Plus, Eric would have EASILY manipulated Jessica to putting up Dustin (because America wanted Dustin up).

This could be true, but how would that have been different if he was aligned with Dick? At least if Jessica nominated him against his will he would have known the challenge he faced, and "the two females she was closest to all along" may have convinced her to act differently.

There's no one correct way to play this game. Different stategies can be successful. Your opinion about who's playing best could be as valid if not more so than mine. My only issue continues to be your calling Dustin Dustina. Nothing you've said convinces me that was justified.

 

[Zingerific]

I have a question for regular viewers of the show (this is the first season I've watched most of the episodes).

What I can't understand is: why do all the houseguests go on and on about who's lying and who's being honest? This is a game where deception is a major part of strategy. It seems to me that if someone has such a huge problem with lying, they have no business being on the show.

Not only that, but people are shocked (shocked I tell you!) that they are lied to. Now, I don't think i would like being lied to, but if I was on this show, I wouldn't be suprised by it. I would probably even expect it. So are these people really upset about the lying, or is it just something to carp on, for lack of anything better to complain about?

 

[dontlietome]

 

[Lostlover]

No, as I said I thought she'd put up Jen or Zach.

This could be true, but how would that have been different if he was aligned with Dick? At least if Jessica nominated him against his will he would have known the challenge he faced, and "the two females she was closest to all along" may have convinced her to act differently.

There's no one correct way to play this game. Different stategies can be successful. Your opinion about who's playing best could be as valid if not more so than mine. My only issue continues to be your calling Dustin Dustina. Nothing you've said convinces me that was justified.

I think Dustin with Dick and Dani would still be there. Dick and Dani have both been nominated twice and both times they have dodged being evicted by good game skills (winning power of veto twice). That is remarkable.

Again there was no reason to leave that alliance. It was the strongest in the house.

I'm calling Dustin Dustina and he's calling black people the N word.

Where's that outrage over Dustina's choice of words for black people? Is it just gay people that matter?

I never called Dustina f@ggot and wouldn't for obvious reasons. Nor do I think all gays are fem like Dustin. If you think gays are fem I see how you can make the leap that I am using homophobic language.

I get it. Dustina gets carte blanche. He can make disparaging and racial remarks about African Americans and I can't make note of his femininity. (Wow! The things you read.)

 

[matt1980111]

Well, a majority of the people feel you can play the game without going around and being sneaky and lying; I agree. You really don't need to be a lying bitch to win this game.

But by this season, people should expect it.

 

[Lostlover]

I have a question for regular viewers of the show (this is the first season I've watched most of the episodes).

What I can't understand is: why do all the houseguests go on and on about who's lying and who's being honest? This is a game where deception is a major part of strategy. It seems to me that if someone has such a huge problem with lying, they have no business being on the show.

Not only that, but people are shocked (shocked I tell you!) that they are lied to. Now, I don't think i would like being lied to, but if I was on this show, I wouldn't be suprised by it. I would probably even expect it. So are these people really upset about the lying, or is it just something to carp on, for lack of anything better to complain about?

Dick started it. Amber followed. Somehow and some way honesty is the big thing this year. For the most part Dick has been honest. Amber has lied no matter what she says or how much she has convinced herself.

It's just a way for Dick to start sh!t. He gets little bits and pieces of big stories and tells people around the house to shake the hornet's nest and boom you have an argument that he started.

Most people would be hesitant to act on rumors and confront people solely on what they hear from another houseguest. But Dick's mantra is honesty and they all bought this gimmick of his.

It's just the way he operates. And Wamber latched onto that and is preaching the honesty sermon too.

 

[matt1980111]

And Jameka's praying isn't annoying? And Amber's crying and lying isn't annoying (she's lied. We all have but she makes such a big issue of her honesty.)

Why Jameka's praying be an issue? I much rather hear her pray over listening to and watching ED being a huge jackass for no reason whatsoever.

You may not like being religious but it's nothing compared to the things ED has done in that house.

 

[matt1980111]

Dick is the biggest fucking hypocrite in the house! He just got done bitching and complaining to Jessica about how Amber and/or Jameka asking Daniele how she felt about not getting any pictures from her boyfriend.

He went on and on about how they need to leave the personal stuff out of the game and how she (Daniele) doesn't need to hear that stuff. And how this a strategic game and nothing personal should be included. How all that stuff happens outside of the house and should stay there.

What.The.Fuck? Has he not been in the house for the last week? After all the personal attacks he made against Amber, Jameka and Dustin last week? Where does he get the nerve to say all that bullshit? Where were those comments last week when he was going on and on about Amber's daughter and Jameka's religion and calling Dustin a cocksucking faggot?

Fuck you Dick! And I hope to see you go very soon!

 

[noah617]

I think Dustin with Dick and Dani would still be there. Dick and Dani have both been nominated twice and both times they have dodged being evicted by good game skills (winning power of veto twice). That is remarkable.

Again there was no reason to leave that alliance. It was the strongest in the house.

I'm calling Dustin Dustina and he's calling black people the N word.

Where's that outrage over Dustina's choice of words for black people? Is it just gay people that matter?

I never called Dustina f@ggot and wouldn't for obvious reasons. Nor do I think all gays are fem like Dustin. If you think gays are fem I see how you can make the leap that I am using homophobic language.

I get it. Dustina gets carte blanche. He can make disparaging and racial remarks about African Americans and I can't make note of his femininity. (Wow! The things you read.)

First off, your straw man argument style is insulting. I neither said nor implied any of those things. You've said from the beginning that the reason you called Dustin Dustina was because he was acting like a "queen" on television and thereby making gays look bad. This is the first you've mentioned the racism issue to justify it. And no he doesn't get carte blanche if he's a racist, but since when was feminizing a name a way of pointing out someone's racism? (Wow! The things you write.)

As far as strategy goes, you'll never convince me that being the 3rd wheel in an alliance you have no hope of cracking the top two of is a good thing. I don't care how good they are at winning vetos. All that means is if they're on the block and one wins a veto you're replacing them on the block. They'd never use the veto to save you because it would put dad or daughter at risk.

 

[Lostlover]

First off, your straw man argument style is insulting. I neither said nor implied any of those things. You've said from the beginning that the reason you called Dustin Dustina was because he was acting like a "queen" on television and thereby making gays look bad. This is the first you've mentioned the racism issue to justify it. And no he doesn't get carte blanche if he's a racist, but since when was feminizing a name a way of pointing out someone's racism? (Wow! The things you write.)

My point was that you're getting on my case for talking about Dustin's femininity and your outrage over Dustina's racist remarks is MIA. It's call hypocrisy. I wasn't being prejudice like Dustina was but you're making issue of my statements about Dustina's masculinity (hehe).

There's nothing wrong with my statements about Dustina. I have made the same sort of statement about Eric and his "shaking like a leaf" fear mechanism he had when Dick confronted him about all his inconsistencies. (Surprisingly, no one had issues when I ridiculed Eric, a straight guy, for not manning up.)

As far as strategy goes, you'll never convince me that being the 3rd wheel in an alliance you have no hope of cracking the top two of is a good thing. I don't care how good they are at winning vetos. All that means is if they're on the block and one wins a veto you're replacing them on the block. They'd never use the veto to save you because it would put dad or daughter at risk.

It's not about cracking the top two yet. They still have a lot of people left before you can start talking about the top two.

And I think it's no surprise that Dani and Dick aren't liked by the incoming sequestered jury. Why not try to go with someone not popular to end? Makes sense to me and obviously Zack because as fickle as he is, he's lasting pretty long without getting nominated.

Funny how all the things Joe said about Dustin came true. I guess he has America on his side and JUB posters on Dustina's side. Cause in case you haven't noticed, not too many people like Dustina in America. Please don't play the America is homophobic card because no one played America is misogynistic card when Kail was voted by America for Eric to get nominated all those weeks.

 

[noah617]

Man if it wasn't for straw man arguments you'd have nothing to say at all. You just keep making up these points based on arguments that no one has tried to make. When have I said it's ok for Dustin to be a racist? If Dustin was posting racist stuff on this message board I'd say hey a-hole don't be a racist, but he's not here. You are. I had a problem with what you said and challenged you on it. Simple as that. I'm not trying to be a dick. You have every right to your opinion. I just questioned the language you chose to use.

I think we've been back and forth here enough so that we know where we each stand. No use repeating ourselves and boring people. I'm gonna drop it now. I might still argue with you about strategy but I think this issue's been beat to death. I'll let you have the last word.

Well, after I say that the weak people always last longer because they're not seen as a threat. You have to break up alliances before you go after weak individuals. But who am I to argue with a strategy that makes sense to you and Zack. One last question: Since Zack promised to vote any way Jessica told him to vote including offering to vote to evict Dick how is he different than Dustin?

 

[YeahWhatever]

Funny how all the things Joe said about Dustin came true. I guess he has America on his side and JUB posters on Dustina's side. Cause in case you haven't noticed, not too many people like Dustina in America. Please don't play the America is homophobic card because no one played America is misogynistic card when Kail was voted by America for Eric to get nominated all those weeks.

Jesus Christ, enough with the Dustina shit! Really, it's not as clever as you think. Anybody can add an "A'" behind a name and make it "feminine." You're offending more people on this board than you are amusing them. I don't care how Dustin expresses his sexuality on the show. If anything, I applaud him -- it takes balls to be openly gay on national television. Who are you gonna criticize next? Tim Gunn or Michael Kors for being too fruity on Project Runway? Ms. Jay on Top Model for being too sissy?

And to get it straight, Dustin called his own dog a "N-bitch." Yeah, it was a shitty thing to say, but he never directed it towards anyone. If Jameka or any African American viewers were offended, he'll take the heat for it. I just don't get why there is discrimination within the gay community. It shouldn't even be an issue.

And I agree with everything Noah617 has said. Daniele and Dick have the strongest alliance in the house. She wouldn't sell out her dad because anybody could win against Dick in the jury votes. The best Dustin could do would be 3rd place. He had a better chance with his alliance (regardless if they're merely stupid, brainless females). The America's Player twist ruined his chances, and obviously, they are not aware of that twist, otherwise, Jessica would've nominated Zach or Jen to cover her bases.

 

[Irish Luck]

I think Dustin with Dick and Dani would still be there. Dick and Dani have both been nominated twice and both times they have dodged being evicted by good game skills (winning power of veto twice). That is remarkable.

Again there was no reason to leave that alliance. It was the strongest in the house.

I'm calling Dustin Dustina and he's calling black people the N word.

Where's that outrage over Dustina's choice of words for black people? Is it just gay people that matter?

I never called Dustina f@ggot and wouldn't for obvious reasons. Nor do I think all gays are fem like Dustin. If you think gays are fem I see how you can make the leap that I am using homophobic language.

I get it. Dustina gets carte blanche. He can make disparaging and racial remarks about African Americans and I can't make note of his femininity. (Wow! The things you read.)

I agree with what others have said. He would probably get a little father in the game, but his chances of winning I don't think would really improve. Dick would have gotten rid of him in an instant if it meant saving his daughter, and the same goes for Dani. He would have gotton further but as the game wound down, it would be obvious that Dick and Dani would get rid of him.

As for the racisim thing, correct me if I'm wrong, but you started calling him Dustina way before it got out that he used the "N" word, so your argument about racisim doesn't really justify you calling him Dustina. If I'm not wrong, you were saying that it was okay for you to call him Dustina because he used the "N" word, but what justifys you calling him that before it got out that he used the "N" word?

 

[Lostlover]

As for the racisim thing, correct me if I'm wrong, but you started calling him Dustina way before it got out that he used the "N" word, so your argument about racisim doesn't really justify you calling him Dustina. If I'm not wrong, you were saying that it was okay for you to call him Dustina because he used the "N" word, but what justifys you calling him that before it got out that he used the "N" word?

Yeah I have been calling him Dustina before he said the N word. What's your point? What justifies me calling him Dustina? Him curling his eyelashes. Him wearing women's clothes. Him having no backbone and running scared from Dick while Dick is personally attacking Jameka and Amber. Hell, Jameka defended herself just fine against Dick and his tantrum while Dustina ran from him (coward).

My point is some of these people getting their panties wet have ignored the bigot here. Just because you like dick just like Dustin doesn't mean he should get a bypass to use racial slurs.

That's the impression I get, because when I make a comment about his female like qualities, people are quick to point that out but purposefully fail to remember that the person they're defending is a racist cunt. The person they're defending is torn from the same cloth as Dick who rightfully so has been crucified here.

But wait, Dick the homophobe is a loser but Dustina the racist is ok? Right? That's impression I get when I see the outrage at my comments about Dustina's behavior from people that ignore everything he's done and said while in the house. Something's wrong with that.

Let me just repeat the important parts.

1) Dick calls Dustina a princess and he's a homophobe loser.
2) Dustina lies and lies and backstabs (with no real strategy) and then uses racial slurs and no one on JUB condemns him for the same hate speech they hate Dick for.
3) And I make a comment about Dustina's prissiness and I'm out of line.

Am I missing something?

Not in my book. Both are losers. Dick is a dick. And Dustina is a prissy gender confused racist. Call it like I see it. I don't care if he likes dick or not, Dustina is an awful person.