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It's time for laikaNYC and justapixel to fulfill iiiset's wish

^^ You may be trying to cull interest in that thread from other CE&Pers, but considering the derisive posts about those JUBers named in the thread title, two CE&P regulars, why bring it over here? And why is it time for laikaNYC and justapixel to fulfill anybody's wish?

Why are you participating in a thread, even importing it over here, that gangs up on two individuals and is full of derisive posts about them?

Ganging up on people and trying to publicly ridicule or bully is low. Who are you to assert it's time for any JUBer to fulfill anybody's wish, much less two JUBers who are being denigrated in that thread, and to actually start a thread that essentially invites public comment about it?

Disappointing.
 
I don't really see any harm here, Nick. iiiset was simply trying to get people involved in another aspect of JUB that we at CE&P tend to stay away from. Construct has posted in that thread and I don't see him as being inappropriate towards these members in any way.

Sometimes we forget that this is a gay porn site. And that we're gay men for the most part. It's OK to have fun here, once in a while!:D
 
Well, fine, call it my wish, too, as well as iiiset's. I think if we all participated as I suggested in my opening post, the thread might become a lot of fun. It might take our mind off CE&P for a while. And if you and I participate, we just might have a salutary impact.

I'm disappointed my intentions were so misunderstood, but If RobertACE can post some sexy pictures and Ambrocious can post a moving song and a movie clip without insulting anyone (and I certainly didn't insult anyone there with my music videos), then we can show the Hot Topics crowd that we aren't the quarrelsome hard-asses that they tend to imagine.
 
I don't really see any harm here, Nick. iiiset was simply trying to get people involved in another aspect of JUB that we at CE&P tend to stay away from. Construct has posted in that thread and I don't see him as being inappropriate towards these members in any way.

Sometimes we forget that this is a gay porn site. And that we're gay men for the most part. It's OK to have fun here, once in a while!:D


IMO it's not okay for several within a community to decide for others what constitutes fun. For all any of us knows, laikaNYC and justapixel are having fun posting what they've been posting; why assume otherwise? If what they post is inappropriate, the Mods should tell them or ban them, but the personal piling on and ridicule is just bullying. Several posts in that thread were derisive of two named JUBers; no doubt that was fun for those doing the denigrating and bobbleheads on the sidelines but probably not so much for the fellas being ridiculed.

As for what was invited in that thread, some gays (I don't claim to be among them) don't get their jollies by being Gay the way that thread "invited" laikaNYC and justapixel. Gay people, IMO, shouldn't be required by other gays to demonstrate their gayness.

All that said, I want to be clear that I'm not suggesting those threads should be closed or anybody officially admonished. I'm stating my opinion the way everybody else is. I think those who complain about elevating the discussion and then gratuitously post personal insults in a thread like that, or try to bait the targets of those insulting comments into that thread, are at best hypocrites.
 
Well, fine, call it my wish, too, as well as iiiset's. I think if we all participated as I suggested in my opening post, the thread might become a lot of fun. It might take our mind off CE&P for a while. And if you and I participate, we just might have a salutary impact.

I'm disappointed my intentions were so misunderstood, but If RobertACE can post some sexy pictures and Ambrocious can post a moving song and a movie clip without insulting anyone (and I certainly didn't insult anyone there with my music videos), then we can show the Hot Topics crowd that we aren't the quarrelsome hard-asses that they tend to imagine.


But we ARE quarrelsome hard-asses, Blanche!

We ARE!

;)
 
Look, construct, contrary to what many here probably believe, I'm not humorless. I'm glad to participate in threads like that but not when they're full of ridicule by the usual suspects about individual JUBers. I just don't think ganging up on people is fun.

And maybe, again, it's my background as a homosexual man born in the mid-1950s who came out at a time one was either a doormat or defiant. Back when I was growing up gays were ganged up on, bullied, ridiculed, and I don't find it any more fun or charming when gays are doing it to each other. I always have been disgusted by bullying and cliques, and even when I totally disagree with what someone says I'll defend his right to say it without interference. Justapixel and I have disagreed many times but no matter how wrong I think he is about politics or anything else, I do not believe he or anybody else should be bullied or called a troll or that that kind of behavior should in any way be encouraged or sanctioned.

And that, as our buddy Chance would say, is my two cents.
 
Gay people, IMO, shouldn't be required by other gays to demonstrate their gayness.

Nor should gay people who choose not to flaunt themselves be derided by other gays for failing to do so.


As for the 'ganging up on' and 'bullying,' those guys are just having themselves a little liberal gang-bang showing their dislike of those with whom they disagree. It is what left/liberal/regressives do best.
 
Nor should gay people who choose not to flaunt themselves be derided by other gays for failing to do so.


Fair enough.

But your use of "flaunt" is irksome, seems to suggest something positive about closeted behavior.


As for the 'ganging up on' and 'bullying,' those guys are just having themselves a little liberal gang-bang showing their dislike of those with whom they disagree. It is what left/liberal/regressives do best.
Who do you think you're talking to?

I've experienced that from Obama supporters and Bush supporters, just the same. It isn't a left/liberal thing, it's a nonpartisan character flaw.
 
Fair enough.

But your use of "flaunt" is irksome, seems to suggest something positive about closeted behavior.



Who do you think you're talking to?

I've experienced that from Obama supporters and Bush supporters, just the same. It isn't a left/liberal thing, it's a nonpartisan character flaw.

Define 'closeted behavior.'

Isn't it possible to be a man who loves other men without constantly proclaiming it to all and sundry? To paraphrase a line from a play, 'do we start the soup by announcing who and what we are?'

And, yes, people on the left and on the right are capable of 'ganging' up on those with whom they disagree. That being said, I have followed enough political forums to feel comfortable in making the observation that the left/liberal/regressive personality seems much more suited to this kind of 'running with the pack' behavior, and they are infinitely nastier about it.
 
Define 'closeted behavior.'


Pretending you're straight.

Keeping silent about interest in gay events or places or activities perceived as gay, or about a boyfriend when the people you interact with share those experiences with one another.

Personal example: I was called out on this in the early 1990s. After years of being out, and I mean Out, I switched careers back to banking, which I'd left in the 1970s when I came out because I couldn't go to the clubs and beaches and participate in the events I wanted to without fear of professional backlash. But even in the early 90s when I went to work at Goldman Sachs there was, literally, not one single out gay man or woman among the many I came in contact with at Goldman and other firms. Not one. So, without even realizing it I sort of edged back into the closet, for instance never mentioning my bf although we were living together as married couples do. My bf called sometimes and once overheard my assistant tell me my "friend" was on the line. And he called me on it: "your friend?!" And he was right. Everybody else had pictures of their wives or husbands in their office, referred to them on Monday mornings when we talked about our weekends, etc. But I didn't. So I put up a picture of my bf and myself, and started referring to him. It was uncomfortable at first, for all of us. A work trip came up, to Bermuda. Wives and husbands were coming along. I arranged for my bf to come, and I was told it would make clients uncomfortable so I should leave him home and be discreet about my references on the golf course. Now, Henry, my bf and I do not make out in public, we behave as we were raised to believe adults should behave in public. So I told my boss my bf's coming and that's that. He came. We had a nice time, if somewhat uncomfortable because we were in the position of proving we could be included without being offensive. Over time my being gay was totally accepted at Goldman, my co-workers and some of their spouses came to adore my bf, and I was the go-to guy for closeted gays who hoped to come out. But in the beginning I was exhibiting closeted behavior.


Isn't it possible to be a man who loves other men without constantly proclaiming it to all and sundry? To paraphrase a line from a play, 'do we start the soup by announcing who and what we are?'
Not and be out of the closet. Not really.

We proclaim who we are in lots of ways all the time. Doesn't have to be a pink bandana bouncing from a back pocket. A man simply saying, "my boyfriend" or "my partner" and following with male pronouns does it. If you're quiet and shy, don't participate in conversation much, I guess it won't come up, but if you're constantly engaging with people as I do, references that indicate we're gay pop up pretty regularly, just as references that indicate someone is straight do.


And, yes, people on the left and on the right are capable of 'ganging' up on those with whom they disagree. That being said, I have followed enough political forums to feel comfortable in making the observation that the left/liberal/regressive personality seems much more suited to this kind of 'running with the pack' behavior, and they are infinitely nastier about it.
Well you're wrong.

Having been on the receiving end from both Bush Republicans and Obama Democrats, I can tell you they're equally nasty.
 
Not and be out of the closet. Not really.

We proclaim who we are in lots of ways all the time. Doesn't have to be a pink bandana bouncing from a back pocket. A man simply saying, "my boyfriend" or "my partner" and following with male pronouns does it. If you're quiet and shy, don't participate in conversation much, I guess it won't come up, but if you're constantly engaging with people as I do, references that indicate we're gay pop up pretty regularly, just as references that indicate someone is straight do.

I think that may well depend upon the circles in which you travel.

My partner and I participated actively in a social group which consisted of mostly married couples, all of whom were professional people (a doctor, two or three lawyers, an airline pilot, etc). They knew who and what we were, and in fact were guests in our home either singularly or in groups. I don't recall one of them ever commenting on our 'gayness,' probably because we found other more interesting things to discuss.

I have never allowed the fact that I am gay to define (or limit) my life, and never will.
 
It's a queer thought but the cause of the contagion could well be traced to our tap water. Nevertheless I have never been a fan of bottled water, for fear that I might be considered far too gay when grasping the bottle in an appropriate manner.
 
Well you're wrong.

Having been on the receiving end from both Bush Republicans and Obama Democrats, I can tell you they're equally nasty.

And so you may well have - that makes you the exception that proves the rule.

We'll have to agree to disaree on that topic.
 
It's a queer thought but the cause of the contagion could well be traced to our tap water. Nevertheless I have never been a fan of bottled water, for fear that I might be considered far too gay when grasping the bottle in an appropriate manner.

for me its a dead give away when I take a sip out of the bottle...

too much tongue
 
hehe

will you give me a spanking?

um

thats a request....lol

Six of the best if you please. What's a caning between two friends? A day spent standing on ones pride. For a sore end never bares mentioning why we stand on our pride. There's always chalomine lotion to soothe the end result.
 
Six of the best if you please. What's a caning between two friends? A day spent standing on ones pride. For a sore end never bares mentioning why we stand on our pride. There's always chalomine lotion to soothe the end result.

do you ever get to alimos athens?

I have a friend that is missing in action and I am having a hard time getting in touch with him.
 
I think that may well depend upon the circles in which you travel.

My partner and I participated actively in a social group which consisted of mostly married couples, all of whom were professional people (a doctor, two or three lawyers, an airline pilot, etc). They knew who and what we were, and in fact were guests in our home either singularly or in groups. I don't recall one of them ever commenting on our 'gayness,' probably because we found other more interesting things to discuss.

I have never allowed the fact that I am gay to define (or limit) my life, and never will.


Again your word choice is unsettling.

Define your life however you want, I certainly have, but I detect a whiff of self-loathing, embarrassment, shame in the way your words imply there's something wrong with being gay, "allowing" it to define one's life and the notion that "gayness" is a less interesting topic of discussion.

And this, for me, is illustrative of what's troubling about gays who are Republicans. Not gays like Log Cabiners, who are ideologically conservative but refuse to meld into the Heterosexual Decor of gatherings as you describe, but gays who claim there are "other more interesting things to discuss" among their straight married friends and then participate in a discussion like this. Clearly you find being gay interesting enough to discuss here, so then one has to wonder why it's not interesting to you among straight married people.

One can define oneself and one's life in terms broader than simply being gay and still engage with straight friends in interesting topics of discussion that touch on gayness.
 
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