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On Topic Discussion Jared Fogle (the Subway guy) Pleads Guilty

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States
New Hampshire: 18, 14 for males and 13 for females, in cases of "special cause" with parental consent and court permission. Same-sex couples minimum age for marriage is 18.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age
The American colonies followed the English tradition, but the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) made it clear that "the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old".

I read this and wonder how perverted and weird our ancestors were, society has changed immensely, but have appetites and desires changed as well?
 
Appetites changed? Not really. Humanity's always been self-serving past what's needed and opportunistic in the extreme. That said, marriage didn't have much to do with love, it was more of an ownership and/ or a financial arrangement between parties or a promise of power/ land, ect. Apparently Mary Hathaway sued for divorce and was granted it because no sex was had, which gets chalked up to 'no hope of progeny there.', among other things. And isn't that nice, to prove you haven't been used as a tool so you could leave. Which is the exact opposite of Mr Subway, seems like.

I wouldn't really compare most arranged marriages of 2 underage people or arranged, sexless marriages in the same way as Jared intimidating and fucking multiple teenagers as the latter isn't a societal agreement. How and who is doing the arranging, plus age difference, seems to be the issue there. The 'fuck anything that moves' expectation isn't encouraged unless you count 'boys will be boys' and 'look what she was wearing/where she was at/that she exists". There doesn't seem to be a similar one for women even though women do rape. I chalk up the imbalance in statistics and so far am blaming all those winks and nudges since it sure as hell isn't the testosterone's fault.
 
Tho if you listen to ppl with kids you might be shocked at the amount adults shove kids at each other, from crawling age on up. Before that seems to be color coded, which is also ridiculous. So I'm personally not convinced society is that much different than it used to be. If parents in the west could sign betrothal papers they totally would, as marriage gives the idea of stability and companionship as well as limited financial security and melding of assets. It's the downsides people don't like to look at, one reason why it isn't on anymore here for the most part.

Procrastination - I'm supposed to be cleaning the house
 
If I wanted to show someone the very definition of "writing before they think,"
it would be the person who responds to his own posts (lol) and then
subsequently posts two more comments back to back.

Get your act together, bro!

But I'll cut you some slack, as you write as though English isn't your first language.
 
please read my original posts. my meaning is clear, as is my condemnation of sex for minors..

.if you have been the victim of homophobia and social hatred for years, because you are gay, you'll understand why lgbt men and women do not need anymore shit thrown on them...clear as day..thanks to you who have stuck up for my words and meaning.
 
If it were clear No one would've said anything. It was never a matter of defense, but more the verbal 'you pissed on someone else's foot. Aim better, dammit.'. If you'd like you can say your original comment to any lgbt woman, including lesbians. That might help with your understanding differences between what one said versus what one meant.
 
its an either or, silly word game

....i'm glad the disgusting situation was not about boys/ as is so often the case in the media.....and therefore inflates the publics view of gays as pervs/.........but then, there is always that odd smarty pants, who posits the opposite...oh! so its ok th have sex with minor GIRLS?

no its not, don't obfuscate
 
peeonme said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_marriage_in_the_United_States
New Hampshire: 18, 14 for males and 13 for females, in cases of "special cause" with parental consent and court permission. Same-sex couples minimum age for marriage is 18.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriageable_age
The American colonies followed the English tradition, but the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) made it clear that "the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old".

I read this and wonder how perverted and weird our ancestors were, society has changed immensely, but have appetites and desires changed as well?
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nothin change ans a straigt menu of a day
_if plot lands wanna NEW word GAY slide in wit a clooections apeess straigt menu of a day a eons really gotta figa out
! obvious !

no forgat huamna paees a pip spit in time wit 1 cell brain

so no a woreess

tinku

next speices volunteer step fly or swin forward
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kevinbeau said:
its an either or, silly word game

....i'm glad the disgusting situation was not about boys/ as is so often the case in the media.....and therefore inflates the publics view of gays as pervs/.........but then, there is always that odd smarty pants, who posits the opposite...oh! so its ok th have sex with minor GIRLS?

no its not, don't obfuscate
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I suck at obfuscation. In this case it's part and parcel of one of my disabilities. I'd understand if you said "don't be too literal." But claiming I'm talking around a point to make someone look bad makes no sense. Particularly since I'm not arguing intent but am arguing what you actually said and informing you that you might want to fix that for future encounters because it sounds like shit.

Arguing that it does not sound like shit.....really isn't the way to go, here.

And it's about goddamn time we go for pretty damned blunt then, innit? I try for polite and get back "I didn't mean it like that so it doesn't count."

Doesn't fly in life or online, I'm afraid.

Because that's exactly what your original sentence sounded like it was saying. That one is better than another. And considering I've heard that kind of statement In RealTime from people who resemble you (and I'll type this for the 3rd time, since the core problem keeps escaping your attention) is context, among other things.

You are a man.

Most men are easily identifiable as men.

Women do not want to hear what amounts to "at least it wasn't a boy", as if the harm involved is mitigated due to someone's sex, particularly from a man while men make up the bulk of rapists. Ninety something percent, last I knew.

Try adding "she asked for it.' to your understanding of assault, which I have also seen used by men describing people under 16, some pretty damned young. So add that in your mental repertoire about background information on why someone gets pissy about what you typed. What was written slots neatly into other horrific shit even tho it wasn't meant that way.

Context matters, and jub isn't a good ole boys club where you can assume context is in your favor.

In fact, I actively encourage all and sundry who thinks it's a silly word game to don their party hat and go make some new friends outside whatever basement is keeping people from human interaction. Because if y'can fuck up that much on how people react in an I stand you need a refresher course on talking with people about people not in your demographic. I'm also completely serious. I, for instance, kick myself out do the house at least twice a week to learn group variation and practice context.
 
*and yes! practicing 'communication in context' with a better understanding of who is actually hearing you is something I suspect a lot of people could use some goddamn help and/or encouragement on. I've a personal suspicion that people are just lazy in this matter as it does take mental adjustment to put yourself in someone else's shoes. Not merely changing one aspect of a person and pretending everything else is the same, but blank-slating it and starting from as close to the bottom info-wise as you can get.
 
luckynumbah7 said:
In fact, I actively encourage all and sundry who thinks it's a silly word game to don their party hat and go make some new friends outside whatever basement is keeping people from human interaction. Because if y'can fuck up that much on how people react in an I stand you need a refresher course on talking with people about people not in your demographic. I'm also completely serious. I, for instance, kick myself out do the house at least twice a week to learn group variation and practice context.
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That's instance, not I stand. Particularly in meatspace. People judge and conclude in an instant, they don't generally wait to see you explain the intricacies of statements on highly emotional subjects when they think you've written off or insulted their group.
 
- Tho my apologies for guessing that you're read as a man, I went with your moniker and the sad fact you thought lgbt women would hand wave away ' at least it wasn't boys" cuz you assumed everyone would be on the same page you are despite differing backgrounds. I assume that's what was meant since you went and specifically included people besides gay men.

I mean, if I'm wrong about you being a man, do say, but I've yet to hear a woman happy it wasn't a ------ girl in that situation, no matter what other minority status she has going on. Even the nastiest of Terfs don't do that that I've seen. Might have something to do with expectations of rape, actually, come to think of it.

-And now back to Jub's regularly scheduled Everyone's A Cookie Cutter of Me! navel gazing.

(Last line isn't referencing you specifically but the internet in particular and Jub's periodic "why isnt everyone here a gay man, (preferably white, young, wealthy and fit, wink-wink) but hey, no fish, Amirite? thread posts specifically. The last ties into the whole 'Context Matters, dammit' point.

Mostly because those same whiny buggers really want to pretend context means jack shit. In order to do that ppl get rid of, uh, the rest of us.
 
kevinbeau said:
please read my original posts. my meaning is clear, as is my condemnation of sex for minors..

.if you have been the victim of homophobia and social hatred for years, because you are gay, you'll understand why lgbt men and women do not need anymore shit thrown on them...clear as day..thanks to you who have stuck up for my words and meaning.
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Your words were at odds with your meaning. If you would take the time to post what you mean and mean what you post there would be no reason to question your posts. But when your posts say something that sounds repugnant there will be those that question it. Rather than getting indignant over the fact that someone had the audacity to question your meaning, simply explain your meaning better in the beginning and you wouldn't even have said issue.
 
In order to do that people have to get rid of the rest of us. (That is, for context to be 'neutral' when discussing sexual assault here, the ppl one is referencing by specific abscence must also actually not be in attendance).

Mind you, still creates a negative impact because people think one positive reaction means it's actually a positive statement as opposed to a negative statement that only comes off positive to less than half of the lgbt population because such ppl knew what was meant despite mistaken communication. And I'm assuming that they knew because they're mostly cis men who speak English. See, context.

Seeing as I'm not moving, (nor are others) context remains material.

On the other hand, this threads an excellent example of underage assault by a man and few instances of discussion on the entitlement that sets up the behavior.

Shall we play silly buggers and watch gay guys rate the attractiveness and relationship material of male serial killers again? Segues nicely, dick + entitlement. Only reason it didn't occur here is he's not conventionally attractive.
 
What a cunt.

Still be buying my cheese and tuna sub tomorrow though.
 
dat outside dick said:
If I wanted to show someone the very definition of "writing before they think,"
it would be the person who responds to his own posts (lol) and then
subsequently posts two more comments back to back.

Get your act together, bro!

But I'll cut you some slack, as you write as though English isn't your first language.
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Language wise, it's my first. Of three, tho the latter 1/3rd of 2 is a bit of a mess at the moment. So more like 1 1/2 with consistent learning for 2 of them and sporadic learning for the first. Er, and bits of others as I find. I enjoy words strung together in coherency. I particularly enjoy wordplay and riddles, neither of which I do without forewarning. Tho I have done wordplay by accident. I might be prone to it due to vocabulary, come to think of it.

It's called serial posting. Works for clarity since I can't read walls of text and the spellcheck is permanently active as this is an ipad and I can't see what's typed without exiting and then enlarging and moving the screen. Also mildly dislexic, which doesn't help matters. So yes, I'll stagger posts.

However, it will be clear in the extreme. Whether you understand it isn't up to me, I'm afraid.

His post was clear too, by the way. It was clearly not what he meant.




You'll note that when I fuck up my writing meaning or miss words (or horror of horrors, have an extended thought) the posts are for clarity. Clarity comes with discussion and reciprocation, not covering your ears and pretending ones actions weren't part of the problem.
 
......And time. Time is a big one. Reread, post, find I've made errors, edit, repost, find more errors, damned spellcheck, can't repost because the time limit was set for you pricks who can see what they've both read and commented on, so then I'll remake the post for clarity which generally involves more words due to continuation of a thought......and then rinse, lather, repeat.

The difference is you can do all that at once whereas me, say if the misspelled or spellcheck-modified word affects the meaning I get itchy fingers for correction. Which turns into more posts. Well, and the continuation of a thought process. Each post tends to contain new information or attempts clearer explanation.

Neither of which not posting would provide.
 
dat outside dick said:
"When the stories broke in July before he plead guilty, there was no mention of the gender of the people that Jared (or his business associate) had sex with."
Not true. Check this item from July 10:
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Those were some of the rumors that came out about that time. Note the disclaimer at the end saying that Fogle had not been charged with any crime.

If you read the wire stories from July, they were very vague, saying only that Fogle was cooperating in the investigation and had surrendered computer equipment. The only hint there was a bigger problem was Subway's statement that they were suspending their relationship with him (although this was also not stated as if it were permanent).
 
my, wording and thoughts.

i also have made the huge error of using ellipsis/ you ,knowing all, please inform me of the plural, or is this the actual plural?/ to indicate stops in my typing.....commas are great, but i need more......email is difficult, the queen's english is gone/ that, being if i were an english speaker in this context/......so i've borrowed what is wrong/ the ellipsis do not connote that what is missing, but ,rather what works for me to try to express myself in the visual/ type/, and an attempt to mimic having a conversation ,face to face, with someone......the cadence of speech

i know, speech is not to be mistaken for writing / nor typing/, but it is a new world..... many of us try to express feelings and thoughts in cyberspeak,. we often use slang to make our point. thank you, pedant in philadelphia
 
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