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Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels

kallipolis said:
Communist, Fascist, and Nazi activists were a well identified source of torch bearing, and murder on a genocidal scale during the 20th century. All done in the name of their glorious leaders. The ovens of Belsen etc etc etc. might well stir your thoughts.
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'God, Allah, Yahweh ~ these nightmarish psychopaths attained immortality without having lived. No matter what you call them, they're wrathful, slow to bless and swift to chide. They're mass murderers, psychotic bullies. They exercise the right of life and death. They destroy on a whim. And they provide a wretched example to living gods, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Mussolini. Such truly grotesque pieces of work, that it's a matter of some wonder that millions were persuaded not just to believe in them, but to worship them. They did, and off they went to meet their all too obedient death.

There is apparently nobility in pillage and genocide. There is apparently glory to be had in being turned to vapour, in dying in mud, dying of gangrene and poisoned by gas.
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To speall it out, these despots get their ideas FROM the 'gods' and 'Gods' who were writ to be lords over life and death of 'mere mortals.
 
ludolfo said:
To speall it out, these despots get their ideas FROM the 'gods' and 'Gods' who were writ to be lords over life and death of 'mere mortals.
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Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini were atheists whose god was power.

Political ideologies such as Communism, Fascism, and Nazism are the manifestation of evil, when man abuses his neighbour.

The two great commandments are: Love God, love ones neighbour.

[h=1]Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT=&quot]36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”[/FONT]
 
you seem to have no consciousness of the unconscious, and hence miss the point of that piece quoted completely!
 
kallipolis said:
Communist, Fascist, and Nazi activists were a well identified source of torch bearing, and murder on a genocidal scale during the 20th century. All done in the name of their glorious leaders. The ovens of Belsen etc etc etc. might well stir your thoughts.
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These people were not "murdering" in the name of Atheism (I'm going to dispute Hitler and Mussolini anyway), your Catholics on the other hand...
 
kallipolis said:
Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini were atheists whose god was power.

Political ideologies such as Communism, Fascism, and Nazism are the manifestation of evil, when man abuses his neighbour.

The two great commandments are: Love God, love ones neighbour.

[h=1]Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]36 [/B][/FONT]“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="]37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”[/FONT]
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Christians are the first to abandon "love" whenever it suits them. If there is one injunction to Christians most routinely ignored, it's the one to love thy neighbor.
 
TX-Beau said:
Christians are the first to abandon "love" whenever it suits them. If there is one injunction to Christians most routinely ignored, it's the one to love thy neighbor.
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Labels can be misleading.

Fakes can make good teachers.

"Preach the gospel at all times; when necessary, use words."¬Francis of Assisi
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kallipolis said:
Stalin, Hitler, and Mussolini were atheists whose god was power.

Political ideologies such as Communism, Fascism, and Nazism are the manifestation of evil, when man abuses his neighbour.

The two great commandments are: Love God, love ones neighbour.

[h=1]Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)[/h][FONT="][FONT=Arial][B]36 [/B][/FONT]“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#000000][FONT="]37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”[/FONT]
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Actually Hitler was an avowed Roman Catholic. He frequently spoke of his Christian faith and used Christian Jew hatred to back his ideas. The Nazis even had God with us on their belt buckles.
 
Mariatenebre said:
Actually Hitler was an avowed Roman Catholic. He frequently spoke of his Christian faith and used Christian Jew hatred to back his ideas. The Nazis even had God with us on their belt buckles.
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Gott mit uns (God with us) is from traditional Prussian heraldry, adopted by the German Army from the establishment of the German Empire in 1871 until 1945.

According to Max Domarus, Hitler had fully discarded belief in the Judeo-Christian conception of God by 1937, but continued to use the word "God" in speeches. Rees concludes that "Hitler's relationship in public to Christianity—indeed his relationship to religion in general—was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church". Anti-Christian views are evidenced in the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk. Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity".

Here's just a small sample of how Hitler enacted action against the Catholic Church in Germany, and in German occupied Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany

Did you not know that Hitler had personally telephoned the SS chief in Rome to authorise him to kill Pope Pius X11? As a result of his perceived pro German sympathies, an Italian Army general was informed of the plot to kill the pope. The Italian general was in fact a plant by Italian anti fascists to feed off German intelligence, for use by the Allies. Did you not know that The Vatican was the pivot in the Allied escape network in Italy for downed Allied aircrews?

You really to read a few serious history books to enable you to dismiss the fiction you bring to this forum.
 
kallipolis said:
People can be hypocritical...no exceptions.
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People can be hypocritical? That's a bit of an understatement in the face of the institutionalized hatred that are tenets of denominations purporting to be followers of Jesus Christ. Some religious homophobes hedge their bets by hating the "sin" and not the "sinner" thus making the "sinner" responsible for their own disfellowship from their pack. Telling me that I am loved and prayed over, but if I experience my sexuality, then I, as the beloved sinner, am outcast. Alternatively, other folks of "Faith" in Jesus, just us flat out that our sexuality is an abomination in the eyes of GOD and that we are damned. Not content with barring us from the church (generically, a community of believers,etc.), they further fund and pursue a sociopolitical agenda to bar us from our Constitutional Rights, as well. This while these Christians are being born again and have come to know Jesus...evidently better than he knew. himself. Ironically, despite subscribing to the Good News of the New Testament, these Christians dwell in the Bad News, eg, Leviticus. Yes, some people are hypocrites. But to institutionalize hatred and promote a hate-based theocracy in the name of Jesus Christ is more than hypocritical. When I was still an RC, back in Chicago, the Joseph Cardinal Bernadin wrote a tract, "It is Christ we Preach." The staggering hypocrisy of that statement given the RC stance on gender, sex and sexuality actually led me to leave. Hypocrisy as oxymoron: "I love Jesus, but I hate you because of what you are."
 
Mariatenebre said:
Actually Hitler was an avowed Roman Catholic. He frequently spoke of his Christian faith and used Christian Jew hatred to back his ideas. The Nazis even had God with us on their belt buckles.
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Hitler was not a believing or practicing Christian in any sense of the word. Like most politicians, he invoked religion for political reasons. Prior to coming to power, his primary opponents were the Communists, mostly atheists and Jews, for whom the end of Christianity was a goal. To many church people, Nazis seemed like the lesser of evils.
 
Hitler and the top Nazi SS were deep into the occult! they believed in a myth of Aryan supermen
 
cocksucker4use said:
People can be hypocritical? That's a bit of an understatement in the face of the institutionalized hatred that are tenets of denominations purporting to be followers of Jesus Christ. Some religious homophobes hedge their bets by hating the "sin" and not the "sinner" thus making the "sinner" responsible for their own disfellowship from their pack. Telling me that I am loved and prayed over, but if I experience my sexuality, then I, as the beloved sinner, am outcast. Alternatively, other folks of "Faith" in Jesus, just us flat out that our sexuality is an abomination in the eyes of GOD and that we are damned. Not content with barring us from the church (generically, a community of believers,etc.), they further fund and pursue a sociopolitical agenda to bar us from our Constitutional Rights, as well. This while these Christians are being born again and have come to know Jesus...evidently better than he knew. himself. Ironically, despite subscribing to the Good News of the New Testament, these Christians dwell in the Bad News, eg, Leviticus. Yes, some people are hypocrites. But to institutionalize hatred and promote a hate-based theocracy in the name of Jesus Christ is more than hypocritical. When I was still an RC, back in Chicago, the Joseph Cardinal Bernadin wrote a tract, "It is Christ we Preach." The staggering hypocrisy of that statement given the RC stance on gender, sex and sexuality actually led me to leave. Hypocrisy as oxymoron: "I love Jesus, but I hate you because of what you are."
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ludolfo said:
Hitler and the top Nazi SS were deep into the occult! they believed in a myth of Aryan supermen
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So the popular media tell us.
 
kallipolis said:
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So the popular media tell us.
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Who said "I hate you for what you are?" If so, problem is that many people still believe that a gay person is a straight person who, for some reason, chooses to have sex with men. They still of not understand that gay do not choose to be gay.
 
Benvolio said:
Who said "I hate you for what you are?" If so, problem is that many people still believe that a gay person is a straight person who, for some reason, chooses to have sex with men. They still of not understand that gay do not choose to be gay.
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It's the poster's (cocksucker4use) interpretation drawn from his experiences.

They're not my experiences.

Hatred of ones neighbour, is the polar opposite of The Christ's message of love for all human kind.
 
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Hitler and the top Nazi SS were deep into the occult! they believed in a myth of Aryan supermen

kallipolis said:
So the popular media tell us.
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Oh, I see, so you don't believe the popular media. That means then you must believe 9/11 was a false flag?
 
ludolfo said:
Quote Originally Posted by ludolfo View Post
Hitler and the top Nazi SS were deep into the occult! they believed in a myth of Aryan supermen



Oh, I see, so you don't believe the popular media. That means then you must believe 9/11 was a false flag?
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Along with millions of others I have spent time at my dentist's surgery reading, Readers Digest filled with stories of the occult, near death experiences, Hitler's sex life etc. without any thought that apart from diverting my attention from the sound of the dentist's drill I should recall with any enthusiasm the stories that Readers Digest provided for my entertainment.
 
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