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Jesus the Homosexual: Evidence From the Gospels

kallipolis said:
Along with millions of others I have spent time at my dentist's surgery reading, Readers Digest filled with stories of the occult, near death experiences, Hitler's sex life etc. without any thought that apart from diverting my attention from the sound of the dentist's drill I should recall with any enthusiasm the stories that Readers Digest provided for my entertainment.
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What did/does your Reader's Digest say about the 9/11 attacks? Just curious?

And what are you saying: Are you believing Hitler was a Christian or an atheist, and if your answer is the latter, how do you define that term please?
 
Without reading this thread.
Jesus didn't have a female partner and over 30, yes he was a homo :)
 
ludolfo said:
What did/does your Reader's Digest say about the 9/11 attacks? Just curious?

And what are you saying: Are you believing Hitler was a Christian or an atheist, and if your answer is the latter, how do you define that term please?
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The popular media provides entertaining articles. I've even been known to read articles on flying saucers, and extra terrestrials visiting California, where I understand there is a great interest in UFO gazing. There are a few New Agers posting on HT who might be able to assist you with your interest in the occult.

Hitler had a big appetite for killing Jews, Christians, Gays and Gypsies.

Hitler at one time wanted to have Pope Pius X11 murdered, then changed his mind and felt it would be best to kidnap the pope. Adolph's plans failed on both counts. As a school boy I can recall reading an article, or two on the Nazi Party's interest in the occult. Clearly the divine mystery supported the Allies.
 
OK, so you believe Hitler was an atheist then? Please define that term?
 
ludolfo said:
is this true Kallipolis?
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The facts are that Hitler's father was a militant atheist.

Hitler's mother was a devout Catholic who had her son baptised.

Hitler followed his dad's atheistic beliefs.

Mussolini's dad was also a militant atheist.

Mussolini's mother was a devout Catholic who had him baptised.

Mussolini followed his dad's atheistic path...

.....but Il Duce was much more political adept by ensuring that he maintained good relations with The Vatican, for Benito had to reckon with a monarchist establishment (which would eventually remove him from power) that would not countenance anti Christian policies. For this reason the anti Jew measures enacted in the Italian Parliament in 1938 to assuage Hitler's maniacal policies to destroy the Jewish people, were never enacted in Italy the result of The Vatican's intervention to prevent the round up of Jews.
 
^Ah yes the Vatican did so much to help the Jews.

What atheists do is irrelevant to the Church's responsibility for its own actions, or inactions.

As to the topic of this thread, I don't see that the Gospels deal with Jesus' sexuality one way or the other. However, like much else in the Bible, one can pretty see what one is predisposed to look for.
 
Spensed said:
^Ah yes the Vatican did so much to help the Jews.

What atheists do is irrelevant to the Church's responsibility for its own actions, or inactions.

As to the topic of this thread, I don't see that the Gospels deal with Jesus' sexuality one way or the other. However, like much else in the Bible, one can pretty see what one is predisposed to look for.
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A priori prejudice works well here for those with a drum to beat. Your drum beats loud, and clear.
 
^ Time perhaps to clean out your ears? My last comment is purely factual.
 
^ Fact 1: The Vatican has publicly acknowledged and apologizes for not doing more to help the Jews. http://tech.mit.edu/V118/N13/bvatican.13w.html

Fact 2: The Church's history of killing is well documented. Thousands, for example, were executed during the Spanish Inquisition. Athetist atrocities don't mitigate or absolve that history.

Fact 3: People have different subjective interpretations of the Bible. See this forum or Google around.

None of these facts is material to your beliefs, whatever they might be.
 
The church and the Allied Powers have acknowledged that they could have done more. No argument here for this is a well publicised fact.

Then there are the facts that support my earlier post that all churches, monasteries, and other church properties in Italy were declared, and appropriately marked as diplomatic property under the protection of The Vatican City State. The German occupation forces respected the Vatican diplomatic properties, knowing that Germany was losing the war, and that German military officers might need assistance from both the Kingdom of Italy, and The Vatican.

I had also earlier mentioned that The Vatican was the epicentre of the Allied escape work in Italy for downed Allied air crews, and Jews.

I should also have mentioned Monsig. Hugh O''Flaherty the Irish priest, and MI6 agent based at the Vatican responsible for the protection of thousands of Jews, and Allied air crews. I'll make your reading easy without having to return some five hundred years ago to Spain's history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_O'Flaherty
After the war O'Flaherty received a number of awards, including Commander of the Order of the British Empire and the US Medal of Freedom with Silver Palm. He was also honoured by Canada and Australia. He refused to use the lifetime pension that Italy had given him.

He recruited the help of other priests (including two young New Zealanders, Fathers Owen Snedden and John Flanagan), two agents working for the Free French, François de Vial and Yves Debroise, and even communists and a Swiss count. One of his aides was British Major Sam Derry, a POW escapee. Derry along with British officers and escaped POWs Lieutenants Furman and Simpson, and Captain Byrnes, a Canadian, were responsible for the security and operational organisation. O'Flaherty also kept contact with Sir D'Arcy Osborne, British ambassador to the Holy See and his butler John May (whom O'Flaherty described as "a genius ... the most magnificent scrounger"). O'Flaherty and his allies concealed 4,000 escapees, mainly Allied soldiers and Jews, in flats, farms and convents. One of the first hideouts was beside the local SS headquarters. O'Flaherty and Derry coordinated all this. When outside the Vatican, O'Flaherty wore various disguises. The German occupiers tried to stop him and eventually they found out that the leader of the network was a priest. SS attempts to assassinate him failed. They learned his identity, but could not arrest him inside the Vatican. When the German ambassador revealed this to O'Flaherty, he began to meet his contacts on the stairs of the St. Peter's Basilica.[citation needed]

Lieutenant Colonel Herbert Kappler, the head of the SS Sicherheitsdienst and Gestapo in Rome learned of O'Flaherty's actions; he ordered a white line painted on the pavement at the opening of St. Peter's Square (signifying the border between Vatican City and Italy), stating that the priest would be killed if he crossed it. Ludwig Koch, head of the Fascist police in Rome, often spoke of his intention to torture O'Flaherty before executing him if he ever fell into his hands.[9]
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Interesting information on the topic can be found below.

http://www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org/biblical_evidence/ruth_naomi.html


Quoted from the Secret Gospel of Mark:

"To you, therefore, I shall not hesitate to answer the questions you have asked, refuting the falsifications by the very words of the Gospel. For example, after "And they were in the road going up to Jerusalem" and what follows, until "After three days he shall arise", the secret Gospel brings the following material word for word:

"And they come into Bethany. And a certain woman whose brother had died was there. And, coming, she prostrated herself before Jesus and says to him, 'Son of David, have mercy on me.' But the disciples rebuked her. And Jesus, being angered, went off with her into the garden where the tomb was, and straightway a great cry was heard from the tomb. And going near, Jesus rolled away the stone from the door of the tomb. And straightaway, going in where the youth was, he stretched forth his hand and raised him, seizing his hand. But the youth, looking upon him, loved him and began to beseech him that he might be with him. And going out of the tomb, they came into the house of the youth, for he was rich. And after six days Jesus told him what to do, and in the evening the youth comes to him, wearing a linen cloth over his naked body. And he remained with him that night, for Jesus taught him the mystery of the Kingdom of God. And thence, arising, he returned to the other side of the Jordan."


http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/secretmark.html
 
kallipolis said:
The church and the Allied Powers have acknowledged that they could have done more. No argument here for this is a well publicised fact.

Then there are the facts that support my earlier post that all churches, monasteries, and other church properties in Italy were declared, and appropriately marked as diplomatic property under the protection of The Vatican City State. The German occupation forces respected the Vatican diplomatic properties, knowing that Germany was losing the war, and that German military officers might need assistance from both the Kingdom of Italy, and The Vatican.

I had also earlier mentioned that The Vatican was the epicentre of the Allied escape work in Italy for downed Allied air crews, and Jews.

I should also have mentioned Monsig. Hugh O''Flaherty the Irish priest, and MI6 agent based at the Vatican responsible for the protection of thousands of Jews, and Allied air crews. I'll make your reading easy without having to return some five hundred years ago to Spain's history:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_O'Flaherty
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What has any of that got to do with the price of tea in China? You were painting a rosy picture of Vatican support for Jews in Italy without balancing it with the Church's lack of support in other respects. You seem to think that good acts justify bad acts or failure to act. Conversely, you think that the Church's historical bad acts are justified by the bad acts of others. It doesn't work that way. One can support the Church without being in denial about its defects or trying to promote only one side of the story.
 
Spensed said:
What has any of that got to do with the price of tea in China? You were painting a rosy picture of Vatican support for Jews in Italy without balancing it with the Church's lack of support in other respects. You seem to think that good acts justify bad acts or failure to act. Conversely, you think that the Church's historical bad acts are justified by the bad acts of others. It doesn't work that way. One can support the Church without being in denial about its defects or trying to promote only one side of the story.
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You were making it very clear that you do not want to hear anything that evidences the role of the church in rescuing Jews from imprisonment and/or extermination. My choice to add some balance to your more than unbalanced view on history, is my pleasure.
 
Spensed said:
^ Fact 1: The Vatican has publicly acknowledged and apologizes for not doing more to help the Jews. http://tech.mit.edu/V118/N13/bvatican.13w.html

Fact 2: The Church's history of killing is well documented. Thousands, for example, were executed during the Spanish Inquisition. Athetist atrocities don't mitigate or absolve that history.

Fact 3: People have different subjective interpretations of the Bible. See this forum or Google around.

None of these facts is material to your beliefs, whatever they might be.
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Many, pethaps most, Jews supported the Communists and their agenda to close the churches. But they castigate the churches for not doing more to rescue them. The frear of communism was the single most important factor in bringing Hitler to power. Communism was a mortal threat to busiiness owners, property owners and churches and those groups fled to Hiler to rescue them. Then they blame the churches for not rescuing them.
 
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