John McCain: The Only Great Man

[RandomAccess]

^ You know, I always did like you, Nishin! And here's another reason why: you cut-right-through the BS! You're okay in my book!

 

[chance1]

But it surely demonstrates disrespect, maybe I'm too "old-school" or something but I do feel slightly offended when someone supposedly educated seemingly considers his audience unworthy of bothering using proper grammar and spelling.



Now looking at said substance, I refuse your use of words such as "developed" ( " fill in the blank ............... " is not something I'd call "developed") or "very mature" in regards to Chance1's opinions... the latter being, in fact, often based on a strange, delusional and unrealistic vision of the world and system of values.

In example, popularity seems to be the ultimate value and guarantee of credibility in his eyes... FOX News/O' Reilly are good and accurate because of good audience rates (no comments); John McCain is proved a great man because he gets a 5 points difference in polls (remember Hitler was elected democratically... ); US is the best country to live in because a lot of immigrants emigrate there (using this logic Pakistan and Iran, which are the territories that provide asylum to most people from outside their borders, are the best places to live, human-rights-wise !!) ...
What maturity do you see there?

welcome back nishin

YOU shouldn't be offended - see it's not always about YOU

and i take offense at delusional - the rest u can opine as u like

Fox is not good because of their ratings - but people do seem to watch it - and unless ur an elitist, people matter

Fox is good because it does provide a modest antidote to msnbc and lefter leaning others - cnn, nbc, abc plus

John McCain's greatness has NOTHING to do with polls - rather his character - why don't u read the piece by Brooks instead of "winging it" which u clearly have - i would suggest that ur comment is not very "substantive" - can u please ck the spelling of substantive for me

as for maturity - ur the one calling me delusional - how mature is that

answer: not very

again welcome back - and remember smoking is bad for ur health

and thanks to mr. wright for being not afraid to come to my defense - which is a relatively unpopular position and lonely place to be

 

[pisces_ken02]

why? cuz McCain is a great man

Nope... because he's a WHITE male.

Lets drop the BS... if Obama was a white man from a red state or a purple state... McCain wouldn't have a prayer in this election. But one of the issues that Obama will face in this election is race. That's something that you can't just ignore.. it is a HUGE factor. If Hillary was the one facing McCain.. it would be her gender that would be the issue, and the problems election a woman to lead the country in the time of war.

But a white southern male democrat could already have a transition team in place.

 

[letme]

^^ Al Sharpton Jr. !!!

Umm I could say Nice to see ya ,, been awhile.......

But I would be a liar. You , yes , but the first post in weeks.....you bring in the Race Card

enjoy reading Rev. Wrights new book !

 

[chance1]

Nope... because he's a WHITE male.

Lets drop the BS... if Obama was a white man from a red state or a purple state... McCain wouldn't have a prayer in this election. But one of the issues that Obama will face in this election is race. That's something that you can't just ignore.. it is a HUGE factor. If Hillary was the one facing McCain.. it would be her gender that would be the issue, and the problems election a woman to lead the country in the time of war.

But a white southern male democrat could already have a transition team in place.

wow

double wow

and so on

I disagree

I think

I think part of THE CHOSEN ONE's allure is his being an african american - he's DIFFERENT - which the country (or the majority) want

I do believe that Hills would be polling better - but not cuz BO is black but rather because he's ............... beyond a newbie - he's a neophyte - he's completely unready for the job as Pres

so when u get over the wow factor, the sermon-like rhethoric, the "we can", etc. - ur left with ................ how's he gonna handle this tall task?

so i think that Hills would prob beat McCain by a good margin - unless something funky happened

but not cuz he's black

and i stand by that

i think black is helping him

yep

 

[Za-Ja-BoManner]

Oh Chance your thread titles read like a veritable McCain Campaign talking point

 

[Kulindahr]

I'm sorry this video is so long (9:29) but it's a "must-see" to help you decide Senator McCain's supposed "greatness." The key and most telling point is made at 9:01.

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Wow -- I've seen over half of those before, but when you put them all together...

But it surely demonstrates disrespect, maybe I'm too "old-school" or something but I do feel slightly offended when someone supposedly educated seemingly considers his audience unworthy of bothering using proper grammar and spelling.

Hear, hear!
I feel the same way about people who can't use the quote function -- it shows a lack of respect.

John McCain is proved a great man because he gets a 5 points difference in polls (remember Hitler was elected democratically... ); US is the best country to live in because a lot of immigrants emigrate there (using this logic Pakistan and Iran, which are the territories that provide asylum to most people from outside their borders, are the best places to live, human-rights-wise !!) ...
What maturity do you see there?

Good points, except... Hitler wasn't elected, he was appointed.

 

[chance1]

Oh Chance your thread titles read like a veritable McCain Campaign talking point

its gets even better with the responses ............. keep reading

right back at ya

 

[Spensed]

^ Not better. Just sadder:

[McCain] is a man who doesn't even know what the acronym LGBT stands for. He also doesn't really believe in gay adoption, supports a ban on gays in the military, is worried if his clothing looks too gay, isn't sure if condoms stop the spread of HIV, thinks same-sex marriage ceremonies are okay as long as they're just pretend, and has promised right-wing religious groups that he'll start speaking out more vocally against LGBT causes.

It's astonishing that some gays (14% according to this poll) will not only support him, but fund his campaign.
http://www.towleroad.com/2008/08/mccain-couldnt.html

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/08/mccain-couldnt.html

 

[White Eagle]

Speaking of right-wing religious groups, you would think that boy george's pastor would be right-wing. Well, apparently not.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/08/jenna-bush-wedd.html

The Methodist pastor, Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, the senior pastor at Windsor Village United Methodist Church in Houston, has ripped into Sen. John McCain for volunteering his wife for the Buffalo Chips contest in South Dakota.

based on my understanding of the Christian faith, that's not, not, N-O-T, not the type of expression that a presidential candidate, or anyone for that matter who is a follower of the Christian faith, ought to make

He goes on to mention how Rick Warren a pastor from Saddleback would feel uncomfortable voting for an adulterer. Ah, that would be McPain.

It's time the media started speaking of McPain's adultery with his first wife. No one should be excused from that. Ask John Edwards. I hope this means that McBush will have to speak of his adultery.

 

[Spensed]

^ For those who can stomach even listening to him, here's that tool Hannity trying to make out that McCain's adultery is of a different quality than Edwards'. Extenuating circumstances. What a hoot.

 

[MystikWizard]

^ For those who can stomach even listening to him, here's that tool Hannity trying to make out that McCain's adultery is of a different quality than Edwards'. Extenuating circumstances. What a hoot.

That's actually one of the more intense debates I saw Hannity and Colmes engage in. Normally, it's nothing but playful banter, but you can see that these two definitely have a real disagreement going on here.

 

[ComNavFdgPk]

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

2. According to Bloomberg News, McCain is more hawkish than Bush on Iraq, Russia and China. Conservative columnist Pat Buchanan says McCain "will make Cheney look like Gandhi."2
3. His reputation is built on his opposition to torture, but McCain voted against a bill to ban waterboarding, and then applauded President Bush for vetoing that ban.3

4. McCain opposes a woman's right to choose. He said, "I do not support Roe versus Wade. It should be overturned."4

5. The Children's Defense Fund rated McCain as the worst senator in Congress for children. He voted against the children's health care bill last year, then defended Bush's veto of the bill.5

6. He's one of the richest people in a Senate filled with millionaires. The Associated Press reports he and his wife own at least eight homes! Yet McCain says the solution to the housing crisis is for people facing foreclosure to get a "second job" and skip their vacations.6

7. Many of McCain's fellow Republican senators say he's too reckless to be commander in chief. One Republican senator said: "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He's erratic. He's hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."7

8. McCain talks a lot about taking on special interests, but his campaign manager and top advisers are actually lobbyists. The government watchdog group Public Citizen says McCain has 59 lobbyists raising money for his campaign, more than any of the other presidential candidates.8

9. McCain has sought closer ties to the extreme religious right in recent years. The pastor McCain calls his "spiritual guide," Rod Parsley, believes America's founding mission is to destroy Islam, which he calls a "false religion." McCain sought the political support of right-wing preacher John Hagee, who believes Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment for gay rights and called the Catholic Church "the Antichrist" and a "false cult."9

10. He positions himself as pro-environment, but he scored a 0—yes, zero—from the League of Conservation Voters last year.10



Sources:
1. "The Complicated History of John McCain and MLK Day," ABC News, April 3, 2008
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/the-complicated.html

"McCain Facts," ColorOfChange.org, April 4, 2008
http://colorofchange.org/mccain_facts/

2. "McCain More Hawkish Than Bush on Russia, China, Iraq," Bloomberg News, March 12, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=aF28rSCtk0ZM&refer=us

"Buchanan: John McCain 'Will Make Cheney Look Like Gandhi,'" ThinkProgress, February 6, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/06/buchanan-gandhi-mccain/

3. "McCain Sides With Bush On Torture Again, Supports Veto Of Anti-Waterboarding Bill," ThinkProgress, February 20, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/20/mccain-torture-veto/

4. "McCain says Roe v. Wade should be overturned," MSNBC, February 18, 2007
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/

5. "2007 Children's Defense Fund Action Council® Nonpartisan Congressional Scorecard," February 2008
http://www.childrensdefense.org/site/PageServer?pagename=act_learn_scorecard2007

"McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion," CNN, October 3, 2007
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/10/03/mccain.interview/

6. "Beer Executive Could Be Next First Lady," Associated Press, April 3, 2008
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-S1sWHm0tchtdMP5LcLywg5ZtMgD8VQ86M80

"McCain Says Bank Bailout Should End `Systemic Risk,'" Bloomberg News, March 25, 2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHMiDVYaXZFM&refer=home

7. "Will McCain's Temper Be a Liability?," Associated Press, February 16, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4301022

"Famed McCain temper is tamed," Boston Globe, January 27, 2008
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/27/famed_mccain_temper_is_tamed/

8. "Black Claims McCain's Campaign Is Above Lobbyist Influence: 'I Don't Know What The Criticism Is,'" ThinkProgress, April 2, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/04/02/mccain-black-lobbyist/

"McCain's Lobbyist Friends Rally 'Round Their Man," ABC News, January 29, 2008
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4210251

9. "McCain's Spiritual Guide: Destroy Islam," Mother Jones Magazine, March 12, 2008
http://www.motherjones.com/washington_dispatch/2008/03/john-mccain-rod-parsley-spiritual-guide.html

"Will McCain Specifically 'Repudiate' Hagee's Anti-Gay Comments?," ThinkProgress, March 12, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/12/mccain-hagee-anti-gay/

"McCain 'Very Honored' By Support Of Pastor Preaching 'End-Time Confrontation With Iran,'" ThinkProgress, February 28, 2008
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/02/28/hagee-mccain-endorsement/
10. "John McCain Gets a Zero Rating for His Environmental Record," Sierra Club, February 28, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/environment/77913/

 

[Backlum-Chaam]

I do have to commend McCain for his brilliant reference, in his Saddleback interview, of oil dependence as "the biggest transfer of wealth in history". That's one of those light-bulb phrases that so neatly defines an issue in a powerful way. I think he stole it from the Washington Post, who coined it first - but it is such a stark, succinct analysis of why energy dependence is so important. Considering the right wing's fear of wealth redistribution, it was the perfect forum to recycle this concept into a new context, to help defend his "flip-flop" on off-shore drilling.

McCain did well at Saddleback. The only thing that irked me was his sticky-sweet, dated, awkward use of "my friends..." over and over every time he wanted to signal that a boiler-plate platitude was coming. Felt very fake, scripted and condescending.

 

[chance1]

I do have to commend McCain for his brilliant reference, in his Saddleback interview, of oil dependence as "the biggest transfer of wealth in history". That's one of those light-bulb phrases that so neatly defines an issue in a powerful way. I think he stole it from the Washington Post, who coined it first - but it is such a stark, succinct analysis of why energy dependence is so important. Considering the right wing's fear of wealth redistribution, it was the perfect forum to recycle this concept into a new context, to help defend his "flip-flop" on off-shore drilling.

McCain did well at Saddleback. The only thing that irked me was his sticky-sweet, dated, awkward use of "my friends..." over and over every time he wanted to signal that a boiler-plate platitude was coming. Felt very fake, scripted and condescending.

the "my friends" thingy is his trademark - but not a good one - it's good in front of a small group on a winter night in New Hampshire - gathered in a school - town hall style

he's just not that comfortable talking

he's really a humble guy - much better 1:1 - its' really not a condescending thingy - if u check with people who know him - he's a roll up ur sleeves, good guy who while clearly has a temper and passion - is anything but condescending

he does not have the same skill level there as BO - who works a room adeptly - still work to do - but miles ahead of grandpa

 

[pisces_ken02]

1. John McCain voted against establishing a national holiday in honor of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Now he says his position has "evolved," yet he's continued to oppose key civil rights laws.1

What an ass. How could anyone do that to the great Dr. Martin Luther King. If it wasn't for him.. I wouldn't be where I am today.

 

[Just_Believe18]

All right Chance, since you loosely argued I provided no facts in my last post, I've chosen a topic that's fresh off the press:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cnet/20080818/tc_cnet/83011357831001918738

• Obama says he "strongly supports the principle of network neutrality to preserve the benefits of open competition on the Internet." McCain "does not believe in prescriptive regulation like 'Net-neutrality." (Technically the two statements aren't at odds because one politico is talking about broad principles, but it's pretty clear where they're going. Our Voters' Guide has more details.)

In this article, McCain's campaign releases his policy on technology. A couple of things to note here for a man who has openly admitted to being computer illiterate:

1. Net Neutrality - For the future of a free-thinking internet, Net Neutrality is critical to keeping government/corporate out of the web. Basically, telecommunication companies like Comcast and others want to create a tiered internet. Websites that pay premiums to the companies will receive full bandwidth access to consumers, while less desired websites will receive "dial-up" access, essentially crippling the internet to the haves and have nots. JustusBoys, for example, would have to pay premiums to telecommunication companies just to receive the normal bandwidth we all enjoy now. Corporate websites thrive, while smaller sites suffer. It would further exasperate the Digital Divide by providing unequal internet access to all users. McCain opposes Net Neutrality while Obama supports it. Clearly, the Republican choice is wrong here.

2. H1-B Visas - On the surface, H1-B visas seem like a good idea. Businesses are allowed to import foreign college graduates to fulfill speciality jobs such as engineering or other computer technology related fields. It's a reverse outsourcing scam lobbied by tech companies such as Microsoft. By importing foreign workers from developing economies, the market becomes saturated with employees who will accept lower salaries. Therefore, American college graduates not only compete against H1-B visa holders, but their salaries are reduced as corporations pocket the money in saved expenses by importing cheap speciality labor. McCain wants to expand this program while Obama wants to focus on immigration reform in general. H1-B visas are no different than outsourcing, and are detrimental to this country.

McCain has the wrong idea about almost everything. This is just one subject I've chosen to highlight.

 

[Kulindahr]

In this article, McCain's campaign releases his policy on technology. A couple of things to note here for a man who has openly admitted to being computer illiterate:

1. Net Neutrality - For the future of a free-thinking internet, Net Neutrality is critical to keeping government/corporate out of the web. Basically, telecommunication companies like Comcast and others want to create a tiered internet. Websites that pay premiums to the companies will receive full bandwidth access to consumers, while less desired websites will receive "dial-up" access, essentially crippling the internet to the haves and have nots. JustusBoys, for example, would have to pay premiums to telecommunication companies just to receive the normal bandwidth we all enjoy now. Corporate websites thrive, while smaller sites suffer. It would further exasperate the Digital Divide by providing unequal internet access to all users. McCain opposes Net Neutrality while Obama supports it. Clearly, the Republican choice is wrong here.

One more case where McCain doesn't believe in freedom.
The Internet is the electronic equivalent of a public town square, where everyone can come to talk, trade, or just browse. Such an even-leveled meeting ground is essential to a democratic republic; I'd dare to borrow language from the Second Amendment here, and say, "A well-ordered internet being necessary for the security of a free state...."
Jefferson declared that "All men are created equal". The Colt and other handguns made that true in practical terms as far as aggression; the internet has made that true in the realm of expression and access to communication. It has to be kept free, or we will head down the road to corporate feudalism, with an imperial presidency at the top.