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Jordan Peterson

Tell me how well mobs taking things into their own hands worked in inter-war germany.

Yes, that was a grand success.

The high road is not some nice principled abstraction, it's the only thing that seems to work.

You're telling that to someone whose nation had to go to war for their independence, and whose ancestors spent several centuries trying to politely explain that we aren't subhumans. The high road can suck my dick, you don't fight people who want to exterminate you with hugs and well wishes, ask MLK Jr how well that worked. :idea:
 
There the kids who wear black and give Trump the excuse to say “BOTH sides” by showing up and looking badass for no god damn reason.

They’re emo thugs? They’re bullshit.

I think it would be nice if people responded to white nationalist terrorism by a thoughtful rejection of the ideas, too.

But I think in the end you will be disappointed by human nature.

I will say I'm sort of impressed by the patience of the left; white supremacist violence has been a thing for decades. Antifa's got a long way to catch up.
 
In principle, yes I could, but as a matter of practice he seems like a profligate man.

I'm not sure about your use of the word 'profligate'.

The dictionary says 'profligate' means someone who carelessly and foolishly wastes things.
 
Here is an article about Peterson by someone who knows him probably better than anyone else.

This should give his fan club pause for thought.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/201...gest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous.html

I took abit of time and scan through the article.
Not sure which part is "dangerous" .... ? If the buying the church part, yes he could be a cult leader. His facial expression looks serious and he doesn't smell much.

People should not be anyone's fan, they should point out point by point which ones they disagreed with.
 
The article from The Star is comprehensive, and the bias is declared and dealt with openly. The author seems both reasoned and fair.

His main objections to Peterson, aside from the celebrities sometimes Mercurial departures from his patient self-control on stage, lie in the area of Peterson's potential dapartures from academics into politics or religion. Those are fair concerns, and if Peterson's fame and popularity continue, and if he indeed stands in either arena, he will likely lose a significant number of followers who would not follow a religious icon, or another who would not follow a political.

However, IF he does either, then he is likely to grow a larger following in that domain.

It will be interesting to observe whether either path is followed. Until then, he is fairly described as neither fish nor fowl.

Also, Peterson appears strained. My own two cents would be that his health will break and that he will become neither apostle nor prime minister. It is more likely one of his devotees will modify his teachings and grow some political movement or religious from it.

As I said early in the thread, I don't follow anyone as a follower, although Peterson is interesting and I don't see him as the far left does. He would do well to distance himself from the internet income, although he is by no means alone there, with even celebrity atheists such as Sam Harris taking on the trappings of religion and followers who donate.

Good, bad, or ugly, Peterson engenders substantive debate, no pun intended. And perhaps as often, as in the Munk debates, the two sides wind up debating not the stated topic. That seems to be innately bound up in the inviolability of gender politics.

(One of the strangest things that happened in the Munk debate was the crack made about Dyson not wanting to sit too close to Fry, which came off as homophobic, not political, but it was secondary.)
 
His main objections to Peterson, aside from the celebrities sometimes Mercurial departures from his patient self-control on stage, lie in the area of Peterson's potential dapartures from academics into politics or religion.

Excerpts from the article:

That all changed with his rise to celebrity. I am alarmed by his now-questionable relationship to truth, intellectual integrity and common decency, which I had not seen before. His output is voluminous and filled with oversimplifications which obscure or misrepresent complex matters in the service of a message which is difficult to pin down. He can be very persuasive, and toys with facts and with people’s emotions. I believe he is a man with a mission. It is less clear what that mission is.

It was an abuse of the trust that comes with his professorial position, which I had fought for, to have misrepresented gender science by dismissing the evidence that the relationship of gender to biology is not absolute and to have made the claim that he could be jailed when, at worst, he could be fined.

The class loved him. But, as reported by that one astute student, Jordan presented conjecture as statement of fact. I expressed my concern to him about this a number of times, and each time Jordan agreed. He acknowledged the danger of such practices, but then continued to do it again and again, as if he could not control himself.

He has done disservice to the professoriate. He cheapens the intellectual life with self-serving misrepresentations of important ideas and scientific findings. He has also done disservice to the institutions which have supported him. He plays to “victimhood” but also plays the victim.

He has played havoc with the truth. He has studied demagogues and authoritarians and understands the power of their methods. Fear and danger were their fertile soil. He frightens by invoking murderous bogeymen on the left and warning they are out to destroy the social order, which will bring chaos and destruction.

I believe that Jordan has not lived up to at least four of his rules.
Rule 8: Tell the truth — or, at least, don’t lie

His propensity to lie, misrepresent, and present extreme opinion as if it is fact is a common theme throughout the article that you again completely ignored. It's one of his (and my) main objections to Peterson. I suppose acknowledging that would mean recognising that maybe there is some merit to the criticism I've put forth in this thread and we can't have that, can we?

Intellectual honesty, on MY jub?! Never!



On another note, here is Matt Dillahunty expressing frustration that Peterson clearly learned nothing from their discussion on religion and morality: https://twitter.com/Matt_Dillahunty/status/1000456001374564352

Peterson recently stated that Nazism was an atheist doctrine. Yikes.
 
His propensity to lie, misrepresent, and present extreme opinion as if it is fact is a common theme throughout the article that you again completely ignored. It's one of his (and my) main objections to Peterson. I suppose acknowledging that would mean recognising that maybe there is some merit to the criticism I've put forth in this thread and we can't have that, can we?

Someone who embodies those qualities is not likely to recognize them in someone else. I'm glad I didn't waste time checking this guy out, the article tells me everything I need to know about him, he's another talking head like the rest of em, hell-bent on dividing and misguiding people and making money while his ego gets a handy from the public.
 
I don't think that's fair to NotHardUp1, but I have grown increasingly frustrated by my direct questions or posts containing cogent arguments going completely ignored when it's convenient (and that's not exclusive to this thread). The egotism of being unable to acknowledge the merit of opposing arguments is actually infuriating and I definitely lost my patience when I saw a significant theme of the essay going completely ignored, especially since it involves points I've been trying to make for the entirety of this thread and when they were ignored here too.

My boyfriend keeps telling me I need to stop coming here and he's absolutely right. It's just not worth the frustration.
 
I don't think that's fair to NotHardUp1, but I have grown increasingly frustrated by my direct questions or posts containing cogent arguments going completely ignored when it's convenient (and that's not exclusive to this thread). The egotism of being unable to acknowledge the merit of opposing arguments is actually infuriating and I definitely lost my patience when I saw a significant theme of the essay going completely ignored, especially since it involves points I've been trying to make for the entirety of this thread and when they were ignored here too.

My boyfriend keeps telling me I need to stop coming here and he's absolutely right. It's just not worth the frustration.

Damnit man, I hope this isn't another one bites the dust, you're one of the most articulate, thoughtful guys here.
 
My boyfriend keeps telling me I need to stop coming here and he's absolutely right. It's just not worth the frustration.

If you go, you will be missed--and not just by the those who agree with your opinions if I observe things correctly.

Your frustration is understandable.

I hope you can find a way to enjoy what good JUB has to offer, or at least drop by intermittently to say hello. :)
 
If you go, you will be missed--and not just by the those who agree with your opinions if I observe things correctly.

Your frustration is understandable.

I hope you can find a way to enjoy what good JUB has to offer, or at least drop by intermittently to say hello. :)

cosign, I thoroughly enjoy his posts
 
Excerpts from the article:



His propensity to lie, misrepresent, and present extreme opinion as if it is fact is a common theme throughout the article that you again completely ignored. It's one of his (and my) main objections to Peterson. I suppose acknowledging that would mean recognising that maybe there is some merit to the criticism I've put forth in this thread and we can't have that, can we?

Intellectual honesty, on MY jub?! Never!



On another note, here is Matt Dillahunty expressing frustration that Peterson clearly learned nothing from their discussion on religion and morality: https://twitter.com/Matt_Dillahunty/status/1000456001374564352

Peterson recently stated that Nazism was an atheist doctrine. Yikes.

Peterson's apologists are willing to overlook pretty much every failing of his intellectual platform and extreme positions for some reason. He has that canny ability to always be able to say something that even intelligent liberals can agree with that seems to successfully allow him to promulgate his reactionary and unpleasant views.
 
Peterson's apologists are willing to overlook pretty much every failing of his intellectual platform and extreme positions for some reason. He has that canny ability to always be able to say something that even intelligent liberals can agree with that seems to successfully allow him to promulgate his reactionary and unpleasant views.

It's kind of a backlash backlash, his breed of contempt for others was slowly but surely falling out of favor with the public til Trump happened then suddenly you're intolerant if you won't tolerate somebody else's intolerance or ignorance. I forget who said it but "There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
 
Peterson's apologists are willing to overlook pretty much every failing of his intellectual platform and extreme positions for some reason. He has that canny ability to always be able to say something that even intelligent liberals can agree with that seems to successfully allow him to promulgate his reactionary and unpleasant views.

I believe it's two things.

1) He provides reassuring, ultimately simple solutions to an anxious market.

2) He understands the practice of both charisma and rhetoric.
 
.... he continues to use the phrase 'postmodern neo-marxists' despite the two philosophies being fundamentally incompatible is ...

I think the term 'postmodern neo-marxists' refers to people who are 'Neo-Marxists' living in the Postmodern Era (ie late 60s)

'Neo-Marxist' is the noun; 'Postmodern' is the adjective.

Is this definition acceptable to you?

Beginning in the late 60s Western Marxists, realizing the growing discreditation and ultimate failure of the oppressive, murderous and antithetical to human flourishing Soviet system, craftily began nesting Marxist concepts in with the French postmodernists (Foucault, Barthes etc).

But instead of 'retreading' unconvincing theories such as "proletariat vs bourgeoisie" they rebranded the tropes as "oppressor vs. oppressed".

This gave rise to modern identity politics and "victim" narratives one encounters in current day academe.


(I hope I haven't made this post in vain because I assume you have me on 'Ignore'.)
 
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I don't think that's fair to NotHardUp1, but I have grown increasingly frustrated by my direct questions or posts containing cogent arguments going completely ignored when it's convenient (and that's not exclusive to this thread). The egotism of being unable to acknowledge the merit of opposing arguments is actually infuriating and I definitely lost my patience when I saw a significant theme of the essay going completely ignored, especially since it involves points I've been trying to make for the entirety of this thread and when they were ignored here too.

My boyfriend keeps telling me I need to stop coming here and he's absolutely right. It's just not worth the frustration.
Welcome to the internet. Remember, this is not Yale.
 
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