Josh '19 Kids and Counting' Duggar a child molester?

[peeonme]

My point wasn't necessarily that the show shouldn't be pulled, or that their "good name" shouldn't be besmirched. It's more that that seems to be the extent of the concern here. Most of the responses I've seen to this is "thank God - get that program off the air". I haven't seen much compassion - or any thought, really - about the victims of the sexual abuse. Shouldn't that be the main concern?

Lex

I can't add much to this, I haven't heard much concern for the victims. Also to take some kind of joyful glee that this family has bit the dust over molestation is just sick.

 

[star-warrior]

The sisters and other girl he molested hopefully can now be assured of proper attention and mental health counselling at some point.

I highly doubt that. Somehow, it will be something along the lines that girls are seductresses, and they're to blame for their predicament, no matter how old they are, because Josh Duggar is a privileged white male conservative christian. This is why even the prominent politicians of a similar persausion are flocking to his defence.

 

[rareboy]

^ I know what you're saying...but the fact that sunshine has been shone on this abuse means that it now can't be swept under the rug. The girls may be fine now...I can't say...but they now actually have the right to demand...at some point in their life....some clinical counselling. It may still be years but I suspect that they have just become empowered by knowing that many people find the acts of their brother and parents repugnant.

 

[thewiz]

Yeah, but all that has absolutely nothing to do with the claim of the headlines. Yes, their so-called faith is a sham, as has been the case with far too many public would-be religious "figures". But that's more about them than it is about him..... to a point. Often times, with such tightly held reigns in the family the kids are bound to rebel against the pressure in ways much similar to the actual claims. That is another reason I believe the whole "child molestation" bit is a sham. It is most probable that, as all kids were under the pressure of forced celibacy, all were at least somewhat intrigued by what was on the other side of that "do not cross" line. And all were culpable in crossing it willingly. It is probable that he was the initiator, but his sisters were likely right there with him, starting with first one, then another as she shared with her sisters the feelings that arose. They wanted to feel them too.

But yes, your point that public religious figures often fall from the pedestal they are placed on is valid. The thing to remember is that they are, after all, only human. A fact they themselves too easily forget as they fall victim to the hype that surrounds the public facade of their closer connection with God. They are packaged almost like demigods and often begin to see themselves as such, believing they are above petty human trials. They begin to see themselves above the rules as laid out by God for the masses as they are His Messengers, and therefore entitled to certain liberties. Then when something does come along thy realize it will ruin what they have so it has to be made to go away before it threatens their position (sounds like anyone in a position of power or authority) and they lose everything. It really has nothing to do with God (and his words) and everything to do with their perceived entitlement. As stated, they are only human after all.

But that still does not make josh duggar a child molester, just the idiot offspring of a would-be usurper of God's authority. The attempted cover-up is the responsibility of those in charge, the teen only went along with what he was told to do. After all, he tried to take responsibility for his actions and THEY chose to cover it up, quite the opposite of what is taught in the Bible.

My problem isn't so much the fall from the pedestal, it's that so many of these cases willingly climb and clamor to demand a place on top of the pedestal in the first place. They shame others that their family or situation "isn't as perfect as ours" all the while knowing that they live a lie just to enrich themselves and whoever else is in on the scheme. People should give to local charities and not to these mega scam artists (I'd name some of them but would run out of space).

What is equally troubling is that when caught, they all play the "Jesus save and forgave me" card. Kinda wonder how many had the card in the first place.....

 

[zoltanspawn]

I can't add much to this, I haven't heard much concern for the victims. Also to take some kind of joyful glee that this family has bit the dust over molestation is just sick.

I think it's fair to charitably assume the glee only extends to the demise of the Duggars, but not the molestation itself.

 

[ChickenGuy]

The notion now that all of USA will be looking at the girls that Duggar molested and that their shame will be on public display so that this family of out of control breeders can hit the celebrity jackpot and spread the message of the Quiverfull movement is repugnant beyond belief.

The idea now that if you are a white christian male sexually assaulting your sisters should automatically go excused because your parents, a paedophile policeman, a shyster abuser Got-hard and apparently Jesus forgave you.....beyond repugnant.

Josh Duggar is now finally facing some real justice with the public exposure of his past 'indiscretions' being concealed. His sanctimonious parents are hopefully gagging on their own hypocrisy. The sisters and other girl he molested hopefully can now be assured of proper attention and mental health counselling at some point.

This isn't about a lynch mob after this family. This is about tearing down the false idols and vile hypocrisy of this family.

Totally agree with everything here.

I haven't seen much compassion - or any thought, really - about the victims of the sexual abuse. Shouldn't that be the main concern?

I have thought of them, and am saddened for them, and I wish they would speak out, and make their own lives, but when they have been brainwashed into subservience from childhood, and when a set of fundamentalist Christian theology is all they know, and when you're faced with their family and community in TOTAL denial and maintaining their superiority complex, then they have been left with no power and no control whatsoever.

It's almost like the Scientology cult. People are 'lost' into it and are removed from society and trying to 'rescue' them from the group control becomes almost impossible, when they know nothing else and/or are in denial.

It may still be years but I suspect that they have just become empowered by knowing that many people find the acts of their brother and parents repugnant.

I would hope this was the case, and that they had such insight to recognise it. Regrettably, I doubt it.

Outside influence doesn't reach them, the walls of perception are drawn round them, and the tight family circle feeds their skewed belief system. Maybe in years to come, as you say. But if they just get passed on to a future husband with an exact similar mindset, then I'd say never.

 

[zoltanspawn]

Har har har.

 

[frankfrank]

All the major GOP candidates have come to his defense, they give free pass to moral Christian family value straight molesters.

Thank you Star-Warrior for posting about Mike Huckabee, etc. (He wouldn't have been so forgiving if a gay person was involved in the abuse, would he?) I didn't know it was there, otherwise I wouldn't have started a thread elsewhere. And furthermore, I only kinda-sorta barely had any idea, at all, who this guy is.

 

[star-warrior]

Thank you Star-Warrior for posting about Mike Huckabee, etc. (He wouldn't have been so forgiving if a gay person was involved in the abuse, would he?) I didn't know it was there, otherwise I wouldn't have started a thread elsewhere. And furthermore, I only kinda-sorta barely had any idea, at all, who this guy is.

This is the thing, it reeks of hypocrisy from beginning to end, and the bible has passages casting a dim view on street preachers.

But for the times it was written, family fiddling family in the bible seems to be nothing unusual, Cain and his mother are implied, Lot and his daughters are explicit, Abraham and half sister Sara admitted to since she was the daughter of his father.

 

[zoltanspawn]

When Jim Bob was campaigning for Governor, he claimed in an interview that incest is so heinous it should be "treated as (a) capital crime...".

The method of execution in Arkansas is currently lethal injection.

 

[jdcnow]

When Jim Bob was campaigning for Governor, he claimed in an interview that incest is so heinous it should be "treated as (a) capital crime...".

The method of execution in Arkansas is currently lethal injection.

Well, what the hell are we waiting for? Fire that bitch up, and let's get the show on the road.

I will never know what level of horror and trauma, both psychiatric and otherwise, these girls he molested went through. But...you can't know how hard it is for me to write this post... unfortunately, in the darkness of my own childhood past, I, too, have suffered abuse of a sexual nature at the hands of another person. More than once. It psychiatrically scars you for life. I will have to go around with the knowledge of what was done to me in my head until the day I die from this earth. And so will these girls.

♫ "And remember, the child will remember... / And remember, the child will remember... / His whole life time, too..." ♫

- "Remember The Child" by Dick Wagner. A song about childhood abuse I learned in therapy.

These girls will have to go to their graves knowing what their own brother did to them. Having that stuck in your head is a fate worse than death. ​You have to live with that shit everyday. The only measure of justice they will ever receive now (9 years after this now-destroyed police report) is that the person who did this to them is now being made to face the music - if not by the legal system (which failed these girls spectacularly, beyond anyone's wildest dreams)...if not by the legal system, then, at least by society at large.

But I couldn't agree more, Mr. Duggar. Your son deserves to be shut off.

 

[justdra]

Fuck Ma and Pa Duggar, the raggedy muthafuckas, they covered up a crime and presented a false front to the viewers of their show for the almighty dollar and publicity. The husbands platform when he was running for a Senate seat is how child molesters should be put to death...I hope he still fills that way and all of them going on about how gay people are immoral, meanwhile they have their own daughters living under the same roof with the person who assaulted them. That shows me how much they think of their daughters and the mother so busying using her pussy like a pez dispenser, she can't possibly see after all those kids. I'm sure a lot of kids who got sent to jail for less would love to be sent somewhere to help build houses and get counseling. So yeah, fuck'em. Nobody is perfect but everyone doesn't molest their kids or provide cover for the one who did.

 

[equalityboy81]

This Duggar scandal just shows what is said about people that scream the loudest (having something to hide about themselves).

 

[smokeshadow]

And, now there is this: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ds_into_show_about_next_generation_of_duggars

 

[gsdx]

^ There is a reason I haven't watched TLC in years.

 

[jdcnow]

And, now there is this: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovemen...ds_into_show_about_next_generation_of_duggars

At this point, I think we can all agree that TLC just needs to revise their logo to include a clown car, because let's face facts here, isn't that what that station has evolved into?

 

[frankfrank]

At this point, I think we can all agree that TLC just needs to revise their logo to include a clown car, because let's face facts here, isn't that what that station has evolved into?

Oh, but it just CAN'T be.

They're the LEARNING Channel, and they're the ones who should best know that their channel is properly named for the deeply educational programming they have.

NOT.

This should lead to sponsors pulling ads from ALL TLC programs, but we all know that won't ever happen.

 

[gsdx]

They're the LEARNING Channel, and they're the ones who should best know that their channel is properly named for the deeply educational programming they have.

I remember the days of Bob Villa, The Furniture Guys, that creepy guy who liked younger women Dean Johnson, Norm Abram, and 24-hour home improvement and DIY programming. It was worth watching back then, and then 'reality' kicked in.

Then again, there are very few 'specialty' stations which follow their original agenda. Discovery is mostly about cars and guys with tattoos and beards, History has very little actually historical content anymore, and I don't even know where to find A&E on the dial anymore. (Is Dog the Bounty Hunter still on?)

 

[rareboy]

 

[jdcnow]

Then again, there are very few 'specialty' stations which follow their original agenda. Discovery is mostly about cars and guys with tattoos and beards, History has very little actually historical content anymore, and I don't even know where to find A&E on the dial anymore. (Is Dog the Bounty Hunter still on?)

OMG yes. Not to get off topic, but I completely hear you! The Independent Film Channel started out great - a 24hr commercial-free cable channel that showed nothing but offbeat, sometimes low-budget, non-mainstream movies. And they showed some GOOD movies (even LGBT-themed movies - Beautiful Thing was one I watched). And then they lost their way, starting to play sitcoms like Arrested Development, Portlandia, and other stuff (nothing against AD and Portlandia as TV shows, but sitcoms are not the originally intended purpose of **The Independent Film Channel**, they're just not) - earlier this year, I believe, IFC actually did not renew its copyright/rights claim on the name "The Independent Film Channel" - meaning that the IFC initials literally mean nothing anymore and the spelled-out name "Independent Film Channel", I presume, could literally be taken by anybody else and used however they want.

The Weather Channel is another station that's lost its way, and got busted on it. In the olden days, while it may have been tape-delayed or prerecorded instead of live...in the olden days, it didn't matter if it was 2 in the afternoon, or 2 in the morning - you could turn on The Weather Channel and get a national and regional weather forecast, with area-specific local forecasts after every commercial break. Now they've replaced a lot of their schedule with reality shows nobody wants to watch, and they even had movies for a time. The movie thing got nipped in the butt after the station got called on their bullshit one night - an incident on the evening of Friday April 30th, 2010... during a tornado outbreak, instead of airing real-time wall-to-wall live weather reporting coverage, they instead chose to air a movie. Viewers. Were. Furious.

But now, I, too, am greatly disillusioned and disheartened by stations like TLC and others not really staying anywhere NEAR true to their original purpose for existing in the first place. Most of cable TV nowadays is, sadly, one trashy reality show channel after another. So of course, you're going to get shows like Honey Boo-Boo, Jon & Kate Plus 8, and 19 Kids & Counting, etc. It's almost a race, now, of which channel can produce the trashier reality show. Who can out-trash who?