Juan Williams Fired from NPR - Political Correctness or Good Reason?

[rysmiley88]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/105441948.html

What about her? she still works for NPR..Should she be held to the same standard? Hmmm?
I didn't always agree with Mr. Williams, but I respected his opinions. He is a Liberal, but not an Ideolouge. And for the President and CEO, (Schiller), to question his mental state, is beyond reproach! Shame on NPR!! When even Far-Left Liberals are coming to his defense, that has to say something.. NPR!

Another Rant.., I have watched Fox, MSNBC, CNN, and the 3 Networks. What a lot of people cant differentiate, is that all of the Cable Networks have Opinion Programs. When you watch the actual News programs, they are all inherently fair while reporting. Opinion shows like O'Reilly, Beck, and Hannity get the most attention and animosity, because they have higher ratings, than the Olbermanns, Maddows, & Spitzers do. They do the same thing Fox opinion shows do, but they rarely get the attention.. The "Left" leaning shows are just as controversial. I actually enjoy The Daily Show, because Stewart actually takes the OPINION shows out, and really puts a situation in balance.

 

[rysmiley88]

She should get a raise for that.

But the "same standard" would be for expressing a similar sentiment about an ethnic or religious group.

I don't follow your logic..So if I told you that because of who you are, and what you believe, you and your family should get AIDS? pathetic.argument.com

 

[MercuryJones]

I don't follow your logic..So if I told you that because of who you are, and what you believe, you and your family should get AIDS? pathetic.argument.com

You can say whatever you like.

Jesse Helms caused a lot of suffering in the spread of AIDS and making the lives of those living with it harder. You might be ignorant of that history, so you might not understand that there is a karmic reference there.

 

[Centexfarmer]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/105441948.html

What about her? she still works for NPR..Should she be held to the same standard? Hmmm?

In my view there's HUGE DIFFERENCE!

Republican Senator Jesse Helms NC wasn't trying to sale/promote a book at the time.

He was just trying to pass discriminatory legislation against Americans that he considered "sexual deviants" (That would be "Gays") at the time.

OPINIONS like those presented by a one J.P. Friere to which you linked to are nothing more than what Bill O'Reilly and FOX NEWS in General present everyday; opinions.

What do that say about opinions? They're like assholes. Everyone has one.

Juan Williams wasn't under contract with NPR News as an Editorialist (Or Legal Correspondant), and he wasn't a guest on a panel, and Nina Totenberg was asked a question in her capacity as a "Legal Affairs Correspondent" as a "panel guest."

As accurately represented in your link.

Bill O'Reilly on the other hand was looking for some validation for being made to look like an ass on The View, and Juan Williams as a Liberal "journalist" from NPR News(under contract at the time with NPR News) gave O'Reilly the validation that he was looking for from a "liberal."

I didn't always agree with Mr. Williams, but I respected his opinions. He is a Liberal, but not an Ideolouge.

But the Ideologues who present themselves as "journalists" are okay?

And for the President and CEO, (Schiller), to question his mental state, is beyond reproach! Shame on NPR!! When even Far-Left Liberals are coming to his defense, that has to say something.. NPR!

Who on the "Far-Left" are defending him?

Have you seen the attacks against NPR from the "Far-Right?"

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0LGDT1dgZ8[/ame]

Why?

Mostly made up shit about nothing from Fox News.

Thank you for proving the point that I was making in my post #36 in this thread.

It's both sad and pathetic.

 

[rysmiley88]

Yeah,like those liberals that detain and handcuff reporters at Town Hall meetings? You need to get a grip..

I never heard of the guy.I have a pretty low boredom threshold and short of a hostage situation where I was chained to a radiator, I couldn't imagine a scenario that would involve me listening to NPR.

But the story's been on the radio all day.He sounds like the typical asshole liberal FOX gets when it want to have a conservative win whatever argument they are carrying about on a particular day..

Now he has a 2 million dollar contract at Fox..Everybody wins.Fox gets one more Alan Colmes dickless liberal,either afraid, or incapable of making an effective argument against the right wingers..

As a bonus, FOX gets to look like they are actually ''fair and balanced.''Maybe NPR will replace him with a real liberal or progressive..

So you've already called out your own ignorance. If you had actually listened to Williams he is NOT a dickless Liberal, but a smart one. He doesn't base his beliefs on Ideology...They both are Liberals. Colmes way more so than Williams..Colmes just has a hard time articulating his point, and blaming the next person closest to him. I love a good debate, and Juan was the Lib's guy! Colmes (not so much) Juan had a point of view that made me, on some occasions, reconsider what I thought. He is not a lock-step Liberal. I think NPR was grossly wrong to let him go..!

 

[CowboyBob]

A question for you Bob. Have you ever felt uncomfortable since 9/11 when you saw someone or a group dressed in middle eastern attire when you're waiting to get on a plane? Be honest.

Fair enough, and the answer is no. However, I do get uncomfortable when I see a white man wearing fatigues driving a rented truck driving to a courthouse, like this terrorist:

Terrorists come in all shapes, colors and sizes. If I see a group of black men hanging around a street corner I don't think they're going to rob me. If I see a middle eastern man in an airport I don't think he's going to bomb the plane.

A colleague of mine is an Iranian citizen and yes, his first name is Mohammed. He's Muslim and the smartest man I know and is completely against these terrorist threats. He's a family man, educated, and pays more in taxes than you do.

You're profiling my friend and that's not a good thing. Get to know someone that isn't like you and you won't be so afraid.

 

[rysmiley88]

In my view there's HUGE DIFFERENCE!

Republican Senator Jesse Helms NC wasn't trying to sale/promote a book at the time.

He was just trying to pass discriminatory legislation against Americans that he considered "sexual deviants" (That would be "Gays") at the time.

OPINIONS like those presented by a one J.P. Friere to which you linked to are nothing more than what Bill O'Reilly and FOX NEWS in General present everyday; opinions.

What do that say about opinions? They're like assholes. Everyone has one.

Juan Williams wasn't under contract with NPR News as an Editorialist (Or Legal Correspondant), and he wasn't a guest on a panel, and Nina Totenberg was asked a question in her capacity as a "Legal Affairs Correspondent" as a "panel guest."

As accurately represented in your link.

Bill O'Reilly on the other hand was looking for some validation for being made to look like an ass on The View, and Juan Williams as a Liberal "journalist" from NPR News(under contract at the time with NPR News) gave O'Reilly the validation that he was looking for from a "liberal."



But the Ideologues who present themselves as "journalists" are okay?



Who on the "Far-Left" are defending him?

Have you seen the attacks against NPR from the "Far-Right?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0LGDT1dgZ8

Why?

Mostly made up shit about nothing from Fox News.

Thank you for proving the point that I was making in my post #36 in this thread.

It's both sad and pathetic.

I don't really understand any point you are making! I think you are condoning a Human Being, and his Family contracting the AIDS Virus, something I would never wish on any living person.
You're just not making any sense. If you want to talk about Ideologues in the press, who are "journalists" (by your quotation) Katie Couric, Dan Rather, Diane Sawer, ETC.
There are far more legitimate journalists, that have a liberal agenda, vs. those who have a conservative one. And, the ones you attack, don't consider themselves journalists..Like I explained before there are OPINION shows, and reporting of the actual news...
Have you even watched Fox News? they , during their News hours, they always have both sides to the story they're discussing. How many Conservative contributers do CNN and MSNBC have compared to the Liberal Contributers that Fox has? I haven't seen that objectivity on the other networks. Granted, they do come through occasionally, but not with the consistancy of FOX.

 

[MercuryJones]

I don't really understand any point you are making! I think you are condoning a Human Being, and his Family contracting the AIDS Virus, something I would never wish on any living person.

Of course Nina Totenberg didn't wish AIDS on Helms. She said if there was “retributive justice” he might experience some of the same pain he caused others.

 

[rysmiley88]

Of course Nina Totenberg didn't wish AIDS on Helms. She said if there was “retributive justice” he might experience some of the same pain he caused others.

Nice try, but the comments are more outrageous from what she said, to what Juan said. By "pain he caused others", how exactly did Helms give the AIDS Virus to Gays? I don't like what he represented and stood for as much as you dont, but enough with the double standards..

Look, I'm not trying to get into a fight or belittle anyone's beliefs. I simply want to point out that there are 2 sides to every issue. How are we going to further our pride and acceptance, if we keep demonizing people, based on a one sided view. I appreciate all of your criticisms and comments, but isn't it healthy to see things from another point of view? Or at least have an open mind to another opinion?

 

[hotatlboi]

Good decision, news people should not be displaying that degree of intolerance.

 

[rysmiley88]

I don't really understand any point you are making! I think you are condoning a Human Being, and his Family contracting the AIDS Virus, something I would never wish on any living person.
You're just not making any sense. If you want to talk about Ideologues in the press, who are "journalists" (by your quotation) Katie Couric, Dan Rather, Diane Sawer, ETC.
There are far more legitimate journalists, that have a liberal agenda, vs. those who have a conservative one. And, the ones you attack, don't consider themselves journalists..Like I explained before there are OPINION shows, and reporting of the actual news...
Have you even watched Fox News? they , during their News hours, they always have both sides to the story they're discussing. How many Conservative contributers do CNN and MSNBC have compared to the Liberal Contributers that Fox has? I haven't seen that objectivity on the other networks. Granted, they do come through occasionally, but not with the consistancy of FOX.

And, if you need further Homework, there are many employed by Fox News, including On-Air Talent, who are NOT Rebublicans..I challenge you to name them, and i will let you know if you win..That'll prove to me you're paying attention..

 

[rysmiley88]

Good decision, news people should not be displaying that degree of intolerance.

 

[Centexfarmer]

I don't really understand any point you are making!

Really?

If that's the case, I'm not real sure how much further our dialogue can progress.

I think you are condoning a Human Being, and his Family contracting the AIDS Virus, something I would never wish on any living person.

That's sad really.

Because you are either blissfully unaware of WHY Nina Totenberg made the comments that she made, or you have NO idea who North Carolina Senator Jesse Helms was and the scars that he left upon the Gay Community back in the early to Mid 1990's.

You're just not making any sense.

Frankly? Neither are you.

If you want to talk about Ideologues in the press, who are "journalists" (by your quotation) Katie Couric, Dan Rather, Diane Sawer, ETC.

You're losing me here.

Seriously.

Do you even know what a "journalist" is?

They actually use to teach "journalism" at Ivy League Universities in this Country.

I'm having a hard time, at this point, finding any Fox News "personality" that even graduated from High School.

I'm not a "snob" I only have an "Associates Degree" from a local "Trade School" but somehow I'm able to pinpoint intellectual ineptitude just by turning on my Television/DVR.

There are far more legitimate journalists, that have a liberal agenda, vs. those who have a conservative one.

Really?

Because when I tune into my analogue AM/FM stations all that I hear is "Clear Channel" Radio Stations broadcasting Ryan Seacrest as if he lives in my hometown, and a view frequencies that use to be "locally owned" that now cater to the Fred Thompson show because he doesn't really have a network that carries him.

So outside of Digital Radio, and HDTV could you provide me with a more reliable source for this "Liberal Agenda" Media that I'm supposed to be tripping over to find this "conservative" message that I've been missing?

And, the ones you attack, don't consider themselves journalists..

As if they themselves would know the difference.

Like I explained before there are OPINION shows, and reporting of the actual news...

By your own definition, what do you see as the difference?

Have you even watched Fox News?

I live in Rural Texas. How can I get away from it?

they , during their News hours, they always have both sides to the story they're discussing.

From what I've seen there's whatever story that they've made up, and their "news" anaylists responding to the opinion which implies that it's "news."

Help me out here.

How many Conservative contributers do CNN and MSNBC have compared to the Liberal Contributers that Fox has?

You call that "Fair and Balanced?"

A propaganda machine parades their "token liberals" out in front of the masses, and that's enough for you?

"See how stupid they are?"

"They don't even speak our own language."

"They can't even defend their own ideology."

If that's all that's drowning the airwaves, if that's all that "Corporate Media" wants you to hear, to know, how can anyone know the difference?

I haven't seen that objectivity on the other networks. Granted, they do come through occasionally, but not with the consistancy of FOX.

Shouldn't that concern you just a little bit?

Fox News, and their entire "Fair and Balanced" Network is not only ON MESSAGE, anyone who doesn't agree with that message, well,...there's something "Un-American/Un-Patriotic" about that.

Hell!

Even MSNBC/CNN/HLM/ and CBS, ABC, and NBC can't find their asses out of a paper bag with a flashlight and a map, but Fox News being "consistent" gives them more credibility in your eyes and mind than other "news" institutions" that are at least trying to get it right?

That my Friend is what you should be considering.

 

[NineOfClubs]

Good decision, news people should not be displaying that degree of intolerance.

But Williams is not a "news" person, he's a commentator, an analyst.

Many left-wing commentators have no tolerance for Christians, businessmen, or the Tea Party. Should they all be fired?

 

[Kulindahr]

You're profiling my friend and that's not a good thing. Get to know someone that isn't like you and you won't be so afraid.

No, he's not, he's merely pointing out a common human psychological reaction.

There are days when I'm near a white building and I hear an airplane and I panic -- am I "profiling" airplanes? No, I'm reacting to an event that stuck in my psyche.

I also have a bit of a problem when I encounter ropes hanging from trees -- am I "profiling" ropes?


It's only profiling if you go looking for those things and accuse them of being The Problem.

 

[Centexfarmer]

But Williams is not a "news" person, he's a commentator, an analyst.

Many left-wing commentators have no tolerance for Christians, businessmen, or the Tea Party. Should they all be fired?

According to Fox News, the Right Wing Media, and Talk Radio?

ABSOLUTELY!

 

[Kulindahr]

Good decision, news people should not be displaying that degree of intolerance.

Admitting to human failings is now "intolerance"?

If O'Reilly had been fired, I'd be inclined to agree with you.

 

[Knucklehead]

A question for you Bob. Have you ever felt uncomfortable since 9/11 when you saw someone or a group dressed in middle eastern attire when you're waiting to get on a plane? Be honest.

I'm not Bob, but I'll answer it anyways.My answer would be NO.Given the irrational Islamophobia in this country, I would think any potential terrorist would take great pains to blend in.They'd probably leave the Haji gear at home and dress in Dockers and a nice shirt. You know, just like the 9-11 hijackers did.

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So you've already called out your own ignorance. If you had actually listened to Williams he is NOT a dickless Liberal, but a smart one. He doesn't base his beliefs on Ideology...They both are Liberals. Colmes way more so than Williams..Colmes just has a hard time articulating his point, and blaming the next person closest to him. I love a good debate, and Juan was the Lib's guy! Colmes (not so much) Juan had a point of view that made me, on some occasions, reconsider what I thought. He is not a lock-step Liberal. I think NPR was grossly wrong to let him go..!

I think I was pretty clear about the fact that NPR bores the living shit out of me. I don't listen to it,and have never heard of Juan Williams.I prefer satellite radio.Sirius Left to be exact.

I also said that it was on the radio all day.I listen to the radio all day at work.Since it was on the radio all day at work,I had to hear about it in excruciating detail.I heard what the guy said.I also heard countless other segments of other interviews where he acts like an Uncle Tom and sits there bobbing his head up and down in agreement to the right wingers.Like I said,another dickless liberal.If Fox wants a real debate, they could ditch the ball less liberals and get someone who isn't interested in selling out..I recomend Mike Malloy, Dave Marsh or Mark Thompson..

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC2SGJ8TvBc[/ame]

I like how Mike doesn't come on Fox and ball lick these scumbags.He tells them what time of day it is. I think he nailed it dead on..The two assholes in this segment get all sanctimonius about calling the president a 'criminal',talking about how ''fair and balanced''they are. Now,fast foward a couple of years and that SAME network features Glenn Beck who says that the ''President hates white people.''Yeah, that's pretty fair and balanced..

Now, as a modern day conservative,I know you must be terribly frightened of average Muslims who dare venture out in public.But most people find that kind of sentiment a bit offensive,even when when voiced by a supposed liberal.

 

[NineOfClubs]

According to Fox News, the Right Wing Media, and Talk Radio?

ABSOLUTELY!

Really? Who, on Fox, has called for Maddow to be fired, or Keith O, or Jon Stewart?

Just wondering...

 

[Kulindahr]

But Williams is not a "news" person, he's a commentator, an analyst.

Many left-wing commentators have no tolerance for Christians, businessmen, or the Tea Party. Should they all be fired?

Of course -- anyone with any intolerance for anything at all should be fired.

It's not to be tolerated!