Judge drops bomb on Hillary's cohort at the state department over her secret emails

[MisterB]

establishment talk.

Actually, it's first-hand ACTUAL, REAL experience on my part. For the last 20 years of my career I was in upper level/senior management. Privy to politics at the highest level. It is how the federal government works.

And my questions are also real. And related to this topic that you started. Care to answer them or just continue with your "musings?"

 

[eastofeden]

Actually, it's first-hand ACTUAL, REAL experience on my part. For the last 20 years of my career I was in upper level/senior management. Privy to politics at the highest level. It is how the federal government works.

And my questions are also real. And related to this topic that you started. Care to answer them or just continue with your "musings?"

This is actually the specific problem for me with Bernie. It is pretty much understood that he will not be bringing the Republicans to the table...it is the Democrats that are going to be the thorn in his side....and he will have to at the very least unite them...

Hillary isn't going to have this same problem.

His message would be toxic...and political suicide for Democrats in moderate states...and we could lose a lot of seats ...

His demeanor does NOT inspire confidence..nor suggest compromise...

His most ardent supporters are angry at Hillary for knowing when and how to compromise....

...and they just "know" Bernie will make changes magically without considering how things actually work. Comparing him to magical genies and wizards ...uh...they are fictional characters...cool fictional characters...but STILL ficitional..as will be Bernie's chances of advancing his agenda in DC.

 

[hotatlboi]

Nonsense. Hillary is attacking Sanders by suggesting that someone run against him. She did.

You recoil from facts like a fly from a pitcher plant.

 

[palemale]

The most important thing to remember is that not president or congress will act without sustained and vocal pressure. FDR started his presidency as a bit of a moderate, but it was only the massive strikes and labor and social demonstrations that gave him the will and motive to pursue a more radical agenda. He is purported to have said to a group of activists who urged him to pursue more radical policies, "I agree with you, no go out and make me do it." It doesn't matter whether Hillary or Bernie get elected, in the absence of people taking to the streets or engaging in other political activities, there will be no progressive change. This was the problem with Obama. Too many people sat back and expected him to make things right. It was the Tea Party that took to the streets that gave the Republicans the backbone to ratchet up their obstructionism. Later on, Occupy Wall Street bought the issue of income inequality to the top of the political agenda and helped Obama secure a second term. Unfortunately, it wasn't sufficiently sustained to bring more progressive office holders into government.

 

[Kabluey]

establishment talk.

It's a democracy.
You don't get to push through reform without cooperation and compromise (whether you're good or evil, you can't dictate).

 

[Rolyo85]

It's a democracy.
You don't get to push through reform without cooperation and compromise (whether you're good or evil, you can't dictate).

Very important. If you don't want to work with the system, perhaps you would be better benefited starting a citizen movement.

 

[frankfrank]

This was the problem with Obama. Too many people sat back and expected him to make things right. It was the Tea Party that took to the streets

That's the problem with DEMOCRATIC-aligned people in general. I remember it so well when Bill Clinton got elected in 1992, and when Barack Obama got elected in 2008. It's like "Oh, good - we got our President in - NOW, LET'S JUST SHUT UP AND GO TO SLEEP."

The big 1994 and 2010 waves were precisely because the Democratic electorate simply became completely complacent and just shut up and completely stopped protesting about anything, because "[Clinton's] [Obama's] gonna fix it, so now we can just sit back and shut up and everything will be all wonderful and nice fluffy kitties and sunshine and rainbows and candy and comfy chairs and soft cushions, see?"

In the second case, all this while "their" Obama was bending over backwards and making nice with Republican congress while being repeatedly backstabbed by them.

This complacency also makes these people stay home during elections, and just hand the nation over to the people who want to return it to a pre-Industrial-styled theocratic feudal totalitarian state, and those who don't vote are telling the Repugnantans to just go ahead and destroy everything that is good about the concept of "America" - because WE JUST DON'T CARE.

The Republicans/Tea Party, etc. know how to fill that void.

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We certainly knew how to make America "great" in the Fifties and Sixties (when one primary full time job was ALMOST ALWAYS enough to raise a family unassisted, and perhaps send one or two to college, pay the health bills, etc.) - and, with various forms of civil rights now that didn't exist yet during some of all of that period, there's no question we could be as "great" as "America" was at that time, except even BETTER - with the inclusion, and everybody participating and working for a better country.

THE REPUBLICAN POWER STRUCTURE HATES all of those ideas with abandon.

 

[opinterph]

Very important. If you don't want to work with the system, perhaps you would be better benefited starting a citizen movement.

The terms insurrection, rebellion, and revolution come to mind.