On-Topic Just Another Dumb, Racist-tinged Remark in Ohio: About the Early Voting Problem

[White Eagle]

It's simple. Ohio is wrong. It makes GOP counties have more time than Dems. Totally suppression.

Oh, BTW. Keith Richards got me again. That's two!

 

[chance1]

If there is no voter fraud that can be proven, and people make it selectively harder for certain groups to vote, that is the classic definition of voter suppression.

Your discomfort with reality will not change it.

i think u have it backwards - "prove that there is voter fraud" - that's dumb

u need an ID card to cash a check, to use a credit card, for air travel, etc. - this is participating in the most important thing in the country

I am John Doe, here is my proof that I am an American citizen and live in Columbus, Ohio

sorry the "making it difficult" has not been proven

 

[BostonPirate]

no

You have to prove by law, that you have good reason to change voter registration laws, because certain states have that history, and that IS the law.

Your ignorance of the law does not give you a free pass to break it

people that need to win by stopping other people from voting need to reconsider what bag of bullshit they are peddling

And I have a few suggestions on who goes first....

 

[Kulindahr]

sorry the "making it difficult" has not been proven

You think that the moon landing was done in Hollywood, right?

 

[BostonPirate]

step outside of your personal space for one second chance.

imagine you have been a paraplegic from birth, and you are housebound in a small rural area. Tell me how this is not an undue burden on that person.

There are millions of those people all around the nation, and if they need to be silenced Just to kick Obama out of office, then there is something wrong with this nation

 

[Kulindahr]

step outside of your personal space for one second chance.

imagine you have been a paraplegic from birth, and you are housebound in a small rural area. Tell me how this is not an undue burden on that person.

There are millions of those people all around the nation, and if they need to be silenced Just to kick Obama out of office, then there is something wrong with this nation

A friend of my mom recently lost her state ID. Just to get it replaced cost her thirty dollars and hours of effort -- beyond the replacement fee. She had to arrange for transportation, get a caregiver, and find someone to watch the home scene while gone. If it's that hard to replace such an ID, it's going to be ridiculous to get one from scratch -- expensive, and time-consuming.

 

[ReadyWithReadyWit]

the concept of "selectively harder for some to vote" - where does that come from?

white people can somehow follow rules (and vote) but non whites can't (and won't get to)

what is so difficult about abiding by the rules ?

please explain this to me

I'm dead serious

I find it hard to believe that you actually cannot see that whites who statistically have higher incomes, more standard 9-5 working hours, higher car ownership, etc. than minority groups might somehow be less affected in their access to polls when selectively reducing the polling period in locations with higher minority populations.

I suspect what you actually mean is that these people somehow do not deserve equal access to the polls, because of their failure to achieve these things, but saying that might come across as... well...

 

[CowboyBob]

I find it hard to believe that you actually cannot see that whites who statistically have higher incomes, more standard 9-5 working hours, higher car ownership, etc. than minority groups might somehow be less affected in their access to polls when selectively reducing the polling period in locations with higher minority populations.

I suspect what you actually mean is that these people somehow do not deserve equal access to the polls, because of their failure to achieve these things, but saying that might come across as... well...

Don't bother explaining. He's just trying to make excuses for republicans making it hard for people to vote along. Republicans have admitted publicly they're trying to suppress voting so hopefully Romney will get in.

Voting should be mandatory for all Americans 18 years of age and older. However if that were the case, republicans would NEVER win an election.

 

[Kulindahr]

I find it hard to believe that you actually cannot see that whites who statistically have higher incomes, more standard 9-5 working hours, higher car ownership, etc. than minority groups might somehow be less affected in their access to polls when selectively reducing the polling period in locations with higher minority populations.

I suspect what you actually mean is that these people somehow do not deserve equal access to the polls, because of their failure to achieve these things, but saying that might come across as... well...

I don't think Chance is capable of conceiving of anything outside his privileged experience. To him, those impediments are just stories, fictions to cover laziness or something. To him, having to drop $300 or more to get an ID is no big deal; that's pockets change -- and he can't conceive of people having to choose between being able to vote and able to eat, because of that price.

 

[Jack Springer]

To treat a racial minority special in an election could be called racist.

If a person wants to vote -- he will find a way -- doesn't matter if he's black, white, or any other color.

I remember how some people in CEP thought that voters in Iraq and Afghanistan were not capable of voting -- their culture couldn't accept the concept of democracy, they wouldn't go to the polls, etc. The result was just the opposite of the negative views. They embraced their new right to vote.

Give people some credit. We're all equals in the USA.

I find it hard to believe that you actually cannot see that whites who statistically have higher incomes, more standard 9-5 working hours, higher car ownership, etc. than minority groups might somehow be less affected in their access to polls when selectively reducing the polling period in locations with higher minority populations.

I suspect what you actually mean is that these people somehow do not deserve equal access to the polls, because of their failure to achieve these things, but saying that might come across as... well...

 

[BostonPirate]

To treat a racial minority special in an election could be called racist.

If a person wants to vote -- he will find a way -- doesn't matter if he's black, white, or any other color.

I remember how some people in CEP thought that voters in Iraq and Afghanistan were not capable of voting -- their culture couldn't accept the concept of democracy, they wouldn't go to the polls, etc. The result was just the opposite of the negative views. They embraced their new right to vote.

Give people some credit. We're all equals in the USA.

all equals.

as in, the lady with the sign on the corner asking for change is the same as say, a millionaire?

Interesting that you would start by implying that someone is being racist for believing in racism before your call to equality.

No, Jack, we are not equals. that is an american myth perpetrated by those in power to keep the rest just happy enough to let them stay there.

The day the constitution was written it was an exclusive document. It only applied to white men who owned land.

It has changed in some ways, but we are all most definitely NOT equal.

 

[TheFireGod]

Have a federal law making employers give employees enough time to vote (includes waiting in line to register, and waiting in line to vote), and allow the precinct to hand out proof of this, like the Tokyo subways for the rare late trains. Then maybe one day voting could work on a weekday. I guess that's too government in people's business but really, not every employer is nice.

Maybe precincts should be created and dismantled just by the percentage turnout from the last election, weather being an exception. My precinct shares its polling station with another, seperate sections are required since the neighboring precinct is actually in a city while mine is in an unincorporated part of the county. The lines are long to register and to vote, which means turnout is heavy.

 

[Kulindahr]

To treat a racial minority special in an election could be called racist.

Why is it that when people want equal treatment, so many people call it "special"?

And then they have the self-righteous audacity to claim:

We're all equals in the USA.

 

[Kulindahr]

Have a federal law making employers give employees enough time, and allow the precinct to hand out proof of this, like the Tokyo subways for the rare late trains, to vote. Then maybe one day voting could work on a weekday. I guess that's too government in people's business but really, not every employer is nice.

Maybe precincts should be created and dismantled just by the percentage turnout from the last election, weather being an exception. My precinct shares it's polling station with another and the lines are long just before being split up into respective sections.

Just make "Voting Day" a holiday, and thus the Monday right before a holiday as well, and run the voting for the full four-day weekend.

 

[TheFireGod]

^ Move it to August, cause there's no convenient holiday in August.

 

[ReadyWithReadyWit]

Why is it that when people want equal treatment, so many people call it "special"?

Yeah, according to Jack's logic, wanting gay people to have equal rights makes me "heterophobic".

And, voting is one area where conservatives cannot pull their "reverse racism" nonsense; there is simply TOO MUCH history and legislative precedence dealing with this issue. (Though they somehow will anyway...)

 

[chance1]

I find it hard to believe that you actually cannot see that whites who statistically have higher incomes, more standard 9-5 working hours, higher car ownership, etc. than minority groups might somehow be less affected in their access to polls when selectively reducing the polling period in locations with higher minority populations.

I suspect what you actually mean is that these people somehow do not deserve equal access to the polls, because of their failure to achieve these things, but saying that might come across as... well...

1x a year

cry me a river

 

[chance1]

step outside of your personal space for one second chance.

imagine you have been a paraplegic from birth, and you are housebound in a small rural area. Tell me how this is not an undue burden on that person.

There are millions of those people all around the nation, and if they need to be silenced Just to kick Obama out of office, then there is something wrong with this nation

paraplegics are EXCEPTIONS

neighbors of said paraplegic should drive him/her - that'd be neighborly

your analogy is WAY OFF

I don't want anyone who is eligible to vote to not vote - for me it's not about suppression - it's about upholding the integrity of the voting

people shouldn't vote 2x
they should be registered
they should be able to prove they are who they are

and i don't understand the idea of lots of days to vote

 

[Benvolio]

Bad example. Voting starts Oct 2 and the polls are open during the day and evening during that month. It is ridiculous to think he cannot make it to the polls during that month. And yes, like everyone else, he has an ID so he can get his necessary medical and hospital treatments.

 

[BostonPirate]

what a bunch of crap.

And that is my opinion.

The source is my ass.

want to look it up?

btw.. thats what passes as humor in my world.

and with that stunningly empty post I am off to watch Project runway, I like to give the DVR a headstart, so I can fast forward through the commercials