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just got called faggot...

Back in my college days, when I was 100% straight (or so I thought:rolleyes:), I was with a big group of straight guys, some jocks. One guy, the biggest jock of them all, who I was actually friends with, was making a series of homophobic comments. The other guys were laughing. I said something to the effect of the following: They say that guys who make hostile remarks about homosexuals do so because they are actually afraid of their own latent homosexuality. That shut him up and wiped the smirks off the faces of the guys who were laughing. Another guy, a real muscle jock, but also a liberal democrat, started to laugh and said, "you're right, I agree with you."

The indirect attack in response to homophobic comments (or any bigoted comments) works better, I find, because it disarms the person by making them feel stupid instead of making them defensive with righteous aggression.
 
I get called a "f*ggot" quite often... often by people who should mind their own business. I can't respond to all of them, nor do I bother. People like they don't deserve my time or energy. It's best to ignore people like that. Giving them attention will only make it worse from my experience... and might actually cause a bigger argument to occur.

ive been out less than a year, and only slowly growing into the inherent fabulousness that god endowed me with :p

he called me a flamer earlier in the night, not mean-like, so i guess im approaching "flamer" levels, well, at least for around here, where gay people 'dont exist.' i took that as a compliment tho lol. sooo perhaps ima have to get used to people calling me the F word because of my gayness more often.


altho i've been called it like thousands of times online because i love call of duty and people dont like losing :p but that feels different somehow, and it usually isn't BECAUSE im gay.
 
if ya still alive me thinks ya got go down street ans get on ground suck all folks toes ans say how a greate fulls ya is ta thems fa ya next 24 hours of life or variations on theme world ova

anyway Males turds in da millions stuck up cunts theys no idea spit um out wish they was neva born

now leavin straight world ans crossin ova back ta
'SSSSSSSSSH'

thankyou
 
You should call him back in quick response:

"Bye clit muncher"
and throw V sign to him :p

dont let that happen again in future. Lacking response is why straighties love to walk over us.

Agreed here.

A surly 'fuck you too cunt/bro/mate' over the shoulder is the appropriate response here.
:cool:
Don't give a shit.
 
It amazes me that so many people have not read their history. How is it that most of us from European families remember the lessons of Nazism, and yet so many from other countries remember nothing of them? When we stand by and tolerate slurs from bigots, worried to even SPEAK in response to insults for fear WE provoke that foul mouthed moron to a more aggressive action, we allow that idiot to control our expression, to deny us the ability to defend ourselves, and we enable that cretin to marginalise us socially. Fear of what may happen is nothing compared to the fear of what does happen when our inaction facilitates the growth of bigotry to the point where we can be killed and the murderer falls free from justice on the grounds that we are perverts who had it coming. This happens now. When we idly stand by while we are diminished, we are signing our own permission slips to be abused and assaulted and worse.

Grow a set men! I do understand your concerns, but you haven't thought it all through and from the sounds of it, either many of you are conditioned to submit to abuse and/or many are inexperienced with this kind of situation and haven't seen what happens when inaction and submission are registered by abusers as the normal response from their target. I love that you all recognise that aggression is abhorrent, but the fact is that it is sometimes the only way forward.

JNewYork said:
And remember this: No winner would have said that. No educated person would have said that. No happy person would have said that. No good person would have said that.
Of course, many social, financial, political (so-on and so-forth) winners do say these things, many educated persons say these things, many happy and content persons say these things, and no person is entirely good and few are entirely awful - we all really fall in the middle somewhere, allowing lots of space for nastiness to be felt and shared around. Most people who call out this shit aren't razor wielding maniacs and to behave with cowardice when your own person is besmirched and spoken to with disrespect is to watch while a system is built that you KNOW will bring your out-casting and to do nothing to halt its creation. Unless of course you are actively involved with writing your politicians, pastors, teachers, foreign governments, involved with Amnesty Int. etc, regarding the systemic abuse of LGBTQ people. Yeah right, 'cause we all do that every week...
 
for the first time ever, well, for being gay anyways. didnt kno how to react, just opened my mouth like i was shocked.


happened as i was leaving a house, home owner said 'bye faggot'

25 fucking years is how long it took me to come out..., couldnt be happier, but god people have issues wih it.

not sure how to deal with that.

With dignity. Whether you answer or not, act with dignity. Failure to act with dignity can lead to escalation, either by aiming toward a confrontation or by encouraging the guy to do it again.

FEEL more PITY for them than anything. BEING GAY IS awesome!!!

Thinking back to the first time I was called faggot, I felt miserable, but I still felt sorry for the person. After fighting through the religious/conservative crap that had me thinking sex itself was evil, I understood what he was facing, and felt sorry for him.

Maybe not the best response, but I have been known to say:

"Dude, Seriously... I like guys, but YOU have NOTHING to worry about!"

LOL

I did that once, at a swimming hole, and the guy went into threatening mode -- at which point I pointed to his GF and said, Hey, but you're her type.

the guy who called you that is a loser. If possible, you could have just looked up over his head and then just gently shook your head in disgust and then walked away.

That's something I did once, too -- except I looked upward and raised my hands like Tevya in Fiddler on the Roof, then shrugged and walked away.

Disgust isn't a kool thing to show; pity is.

You should have said the following:

Excuse me, what did you just say? It sounded like you said something ignorant and offensive. But I never took you for the kind of buffoonish asshole who would make a stupid comment like that, so I assume I heard you wrong. Now, what was it you said?

Sometimes you can get away with that.

At a campground I got called faggot by a guy and I popped back at him, Hey go get your own firewood; I'm not volunteering! A couple of days later he told me that was a great response, and he was sorry for the insult. And I got a lot of props from others in the campground.

With some college guys I got called faggot by one. Given the atmosphere, I turned back and said, "Hey, thanks -- you noticed!" The guy got pissed, but his buddies told him to STFU.

A gay guy I was camping with once, when called a faggot, airily replied, Faggots are for fires. I suck dick. He disappeared during the night -- did one of them take him up on the implied offer?

I'm glad I didn't get hit with that particular insult until I'd reached the point where I knew it was okay to celebrate my body, whatever its urges/desires.
 
He's been gay bashed recently... and it almost went to the point of violence. He ran with his f-king life... if he stood up against the people who were trying to attack him most likely he would not be here today. He would have been shot or stabbed... that's what he told me. One guy drew a knife.

Lesson Number One from the best handgun course I've had: run if possible; a gun does not make you invulnerable -- nothing makes you invulnerable.
Stand Your Ground is for when you're the one between the bad guys and loved ones, or in your own home. Apply a little Sun Tzu and know that a confrontation you can't win is strategically [STRIKE]unsound[/STRIKE] stupid.

I'll tell you the truth... through my experience... confronting and saying stuff to abusers could likely get you stabbed or shot... ignoring them isn't a perfect method, but if you say stuff to them you could easily provoke a more dangerous situation. I guess some here don't know what it is like to live in tough neighborhoods... sometimes you just need to keep your mouth shut.

Maybe there are instances you can confront someone saying derogatory words, but doing it in other situations could put your life in danger. And I'm sorry but this is not a tired or old argument. It's very real. And it doesn't even have to be with about being gay.

And then Sam tells us to grow a set of balls? Would you have balls if someone was waving a switch blade or a .45 in your face? I didn't think so.

We will see if you still recite the words you say on here, and say "You saying the word faggot or joto makes you a self repressed homosexual most likely..."... would you say that to someone who is armed? So please stop with the internet grandstanding and get back to reality.

Situations can be so different! That's kinda what I was trying to illustrate with my examples -- you have to know your situation.

But beyond that, the other person -- however low -- is a fellow human being. He deserves not insults,but a measure of respect. More accurately, you owe him that, because it's what you'd want from him.

So if you push it, still do it respectfully. In part that means do it in a way that might make him/them think. Responding with antagonism is only going to draw more antagonism.

I even said, "I'll pray for you" to a gal who called me a faggot -- but it's not the sort of response I would use very often. I was darned sure how it would hit her -- and I was right.
 
You can't google "argument as a cause of homicide"?

I'll refer you to a text called The Murder Book by Kim Davies if you want a source. I can't directly link you to my own textbook, but I can quote a passage if you like:

She's chair of the Department of Sociology, Criminal Justice, and Social Work at Augusta State University, if anyone is interested.


Of course, these homicides are only the outcome in a small minority of arguments, but my point is why risk it?

These are just the words of fools. Making a comeback to one person might make you feel better, but it's not going to change the fact that there are millions upon millions of sick, malicious bigots in western society who not only want to see gay people marginalized in every way possible - some don't even want us to exist.

I think Kulindahr has the right approach by far. The best course of action is probably a calm response of some kind that provokes thought rather than displays aggression.

Occasionally it may change a mind. Someone taking an insult graciously can be a form of psychological ju-jitsu.
 
Lesson Number One from the best handgun course I've had: run if possible; a gun does not make you invulnerable -- nothing makes you invulnerable.
Stand Your Ground is for when you're the one between the bad guys and loved ones, or in your own home. Apply a little Sun Tzu and know that a confrontation you can't win is strategically [STRIKE]unsound[/STRIKE] stupid.

:=D: Pick your battles wisely.
 
GianCarlo and RazorsEdge, you have no idea... I grew up in a part of Melbourne as a German boy where the people had absolutely no tolerance of Europeans, let alone Germans. At six years of age, my first day in school was great, my second day was hell, with racial slurs left, right and centre. It was impossible. Within weeks it was fights in the toilets and playgrounds and even being ostracised in the classrooms.

By grade two I was insulted with sexually based slurs, stuck with a compass on more than a couple of occasions and verbally insulted overtly in class and still physically attacked in the yard and even to and from school. It was in grade two that the violence had become so systemic that I tried to stab myself in the stomach with a cook's knife.

By grade five, I was being gang attacked weekly, (sorry, forgot having my head slammed into the school wall twice in grade three by a Dutch boy who needed to distance himself from the German) aside from the regular fights and insults. In grade six I was slammed in the head by a kid with a huge piece of two by four.

High school was progressively worse, including sexual assault in year seven by a group of boys from my English class and regular attacks, in and out of class, in my own street, on my way to and from school, verbal and with knives and sticks, a cricket bat, insulted by teachers, humiliated by teachers and students frequently etc, etc.

I was beaten up by a local gang known as the Boronia Boys and set upon almost every Friday night I worked late and had to catch the train and walk home - 16 yo. Once I was brought down with a cord of some sort with a lead weight at the end of it thrown around my neck from behind, pulled over backwards and had the shit kicked out of me in front of a cafe that was open. I crawled inside and asked the owner to call the police who had a station literally around the corner. It took them hours to get there and when they arrived, they wouldn't charge the boys (there were a lot of them, and they are well known for serious criminal offences on a constant basis), saying there was no point as it wouldn't mean anything when they already had "lists as long as your arm."

By 17yo I found myself raped, with nothing to live for. By the time I was at uni I was suicidal again. It was after my suicide attempt that I finally realised that my family, who had been seriously involved with the Nazi machine in Germany, were indeed right - I needed to stand up and stop tolerating the abuse and be as hard-arsed as the people making my life hell. This is what it is to draw a line that cannot be crossed without repercussions.

Even after struggling through uni and beginning as a teacher, I found myself singled out, because a life of being bashed and abused does something to your nature that makes you recognisable to violent offenders. There have been studies done that show that rapists and battery offenders can pick the person who has been so attacked, even from behind and just by watching them walk.

The last time I was attacked it was just a few years ago and by a group of eight teenagers on the train around 17:30 on a Saturday afternoon on my way home from town, in the company of another teacher - a really strong and fit, good looking woman who also took some abuse from these guys. A good number of well groomed fellow passengers (one even knew me - a Swiss guy; neutral as always...) sat there silently within arm's reach ignoring me having to fight to stay out from under. I was kicked in the head and punched all over. I had to really drive the police to take any action, and in fact when the train doors opened at the station and the railway police stood in the doorway, they let all eight of the teenagers go and tried to arrest me!

I have been verbally abused by police too on more than one occasion, and harassed with my boyfriend.

I do know what it is to deal with violence and ostracisation, and I really do understand the importance of standing up for yourself, even when it scares you.

For all of this, I mix with amazing people who are all really successful in the Arts, in medicine & pharmacology and in educational circles, law and architecture. None of these people, clearly, see anything particularly flawed or weak in my nature or behaviour, and many of them hold fairly responsible positions in various communities, also looking after large groups of people. I count these people as my closest friends and they include me among their nearest and dearest. I am not a freak to look at or to speak with.

Even now, neither of you know enough about me to comment validly on whether or not I know or have enough personal experience to understand the potential of these kinds of marginalisation and the possibilities that can arise from various choices we make when interpolated by such a call as "faggot." I didn't start to teach Literary Theory focusing on the use of language to control and release because I had a theoretical interest alone. And I do draw from real life situations, applications, expressions and experiences, as well as reported news and obviously, literature and other media (written by a huge range of real people with incredible experience and insight) when I explain various works and theories to the students.

You would have us silent and neutered until it reaches crisis point. My reference to reading history is to point to the fact that to wait that long is to wait until it is too late. My suggestion to grow a set is to emphasise that being a participant in a straight man domineering world where the reality is that in most places, in most countries all around the world, GLBTQ people are not only marginalised, but even attacked and killed and raped with few consequences being obvious. It is not an epidemic, but it happens and it happens often with the leaders turning a blind eye, via legal convolutions etc. Church leaders call to their parishes, telling them we are abhorrent in the eyes of their gods, and their masses respond with vilification and teaching their children to bully, if they themselves aren't either doing the bullying. Nazis didn't control words and schools and expression because words are irrelevant - and Crystal Night was a blink of an eye later. Every time you concede ground, you lose space. Eventually there is no space left.

PS, As to interpreting correlative data regarding murders: My memories of Psych classes are that the majority of murders take place between domestic partners and their families, not so often strangers. As for arguments being reported to have taken place before a murder: I can't imagine too many people who know they are about to be killed stand there quietly - although perhaps you guys would.
 
Fighting with people like that reduces you to their level. Don't match hate and ignorance with hate and ignorance.

But every situation is different. If I thought it was perfectly safe, I'd answer the person and let him know what an ignorant jerk he is. But fighting with people is a bottomless pit of non-productivity and futility. Especially online.

Another thing to think about is when we are truly 100% comfortable with being gay and being who we are, then taunts by others won't sting as much.

I'm learning right now in life that there is power, incredible power, in ignoring somebody. Ignoring them is power. Try it. Ignore their Facebook status updates. Ignore their email. Ignore their comments. When you ignore a person, you dismiss them as relevant or present. And it infuriates people. Not acknowledging another person is the essence of rudeness.

Ignore them. Put on your poker face and ignore. It will infuriate them. You not only are not hurt by them, which was their intention, but if you're ignoring them and not bothered by them, that must mean you don't consider them a threat or anyone of importance. That's got to infuriate them.

I admit that in the past being ignored via an email got me so mad. I realized the person who does the ignoring actually has power.

Ignore. Turn the other cheek. Practice tolerating bigots as we want bigots to tolerate us.

(Believe me, I know it's not easy. Everything I wrote I wrote more to myself than anyone. I'm not one who finds it easy to ignore. I guess I have too much of an ego. You eff with me, my instinct is to eff back. But I'm learning. Ignore. They'll never know what you're thinking. They will know that their presence has had no effect on you. According to them, you must think they are nobody. Now that is power.)

Ignore. Ignore. Ignore.
 
My first thought is to turn around to beat the shit out of the asshole, but that depends on the situation.

Sounds like you had spent some time with him. Maybe he just needs to be educated some instead.
 
It depends on if you can handle yourself should it get physical.

What I would do (and have done, although I've never been called a faggot in this way) is show him how big of a faggot you really are.

Blow kisses at him.
 
for the first time ever, well, for being gay anyways. didnt kno how to react, just opened my mouth like i was shocked.


happened as i was leaving a house, home owner said 'bye faggot'

25 fucking years is how long it took me to come out..., couldnt be happier, but god people have issues wih it.

not sure how to deal with that.


"Thanks for the offer but you don't have enough money."
 
You could be arrested for assault.

is he REALLY going to go to the cops and tell them that a faggot whipped his ass? me thinks not - and that is exactly what I do in any such given situation - I ask them how they are going to explain to their girlfriends that a faggot just whipped their ass - it backs them up every fucking time - I was born and raised on the streets of baltimore - and I am certainly not intimidated by some piece of shit in the south of LA or anywhere else for that matter - if you want to be a little bitch to inappropriate thugs the rest of your life then be my guest - but I suggest you get to the gym and spend a little more time pumping some iron instead of filing your nails - all these responses of encouragement for be a flaming queen are just bullshit - for every 100 flaming queens there is one true queen - the rest are all rehearsed and tired - I have no problems with the true faggot - I rather like them - but the 99 rehearsed ones make my skin crawl - why u aspire to be a faggot and then resent being called one is beyond me!

If it wasnt for gay men holding ground and fighting to BLOODY DEATH at Stonewall and around the country we wouldnt enjoy the freedoms we share today - ACT UP - fight back - fuck that bullshit of turning the other cheek - it took and entire revolution - an entire war for black people to get equality - dont think for a minute it wasnt worth the fight!
 
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