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Legionair

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I know I don't initiate conversation a lot on here but I thought while I'm drinking a couple of glasses of champagne that I'd ask something directed mostly to the Americans on JUB concerning whether or not the truth of the matter was on a subject that not only myself but anyone around me hearing it on let's say television in Australia will always remarks upon. It's not a very convoluted question.

I hear Americans often say "Me and Karen" or "Me and Rodger". Now if you were to use the same in school (even very early education) it would always be picked up upon immediately as incorrect speech and then re-directed to correctly saying "Karen and I" or Rodger and I".

Is it the same in the states? or is it considered correct vernacular to use a persons name before your own?

Also, in OZ, if you were to say the word "she" in a sentence (depending on the setting) it also wouldn't be considered polite. The first words you would hear out of your mother or teacher or Aunt or next door neighbour would be that "SHE is the cats mother" (maybe it's an Aussie saying? UK Jubbers?). Meaning "she" is nobody, so who exactly are you referring to and by what correct name are you supposed to refer to her by?. Mrs Jones? Dr Peterson? Ms Black?

I know this is boring conversation but I've always wanted to know if because we have so much US TV here is it lazy vernacular or just a difference of culture?
 
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Oh my God, thank you...both of you. You have both eased my mind on the matter.

[More Champers, please!]
 
^I think the Cat's Mother is a commonwealth thing. My mother and her relatives use it frequently here in southern Africa.

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_U wit no addatives_

anyway

hope 21 stcenturys geniousisss figa sumthang help lots fix world shit pile up a eva supa latest

thankyou
 
^blackbeltninja well, at least I know I'm not completely mad.

Sloppy, your one of a kind with your dedication to participate, at least.
 
I have never heard that using the word "She" or He" is impolite. Its normal from where I am from to use it. Same with "me & Kevin" etc.. For example, If somebody asked me who went to the lake this afternoon, I would respond with, "Me & Kevin" and nobody would correct my speech.
 
jensu846 said:
I have never heard that using the word "She" or He" is impolite. Its normal from where I am from to use it. Same with "me & Kevin" etc.. For example, If somebody asked me who went to the lake this afternoon, I would respond with, "Me & Kevin" and nobody would correct my speech.
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See, thats exactly what I'm talking about. As a youngster in Australia you would NEVER be allowed to say that - ""Me and Kevin". It's always corrected as "Kevin and I".
But that's cool. I just always wondered. So it is accepted as correct. Wow, you'd be surprised here (or I should i say within the Commonwealth language....I guess there is such a thing).
 
jensu846 said:
I have never heard that using the word "She" or He" is impolite. Its normal from where I am from to use it. Same with "me & Kevin" etc.. For example, If somebody asked me who went to the lake this afternoon, I would respond with, "Me & Kevin" and nobody would correct my speech.
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Karen_Walker is correct when stated "It's supposed to be X and I." The way I was taught was to take out the other person's name when responding. For example...when asked "who went to the lake this afternoon?", if you take out the name "Kevin," you would not say "me went to the lake." You would correctly respond "I went to the lake." Therefore, you would correctly respond "Kevin and I went to the lake."
 
I assume you would not say," me went to the lake". It is not correct to say me and Karen went to the lake. Listening to Americans on TV, I am always disappointed at the poor English. Myself and Karen went, is also incorrect, but you hear it in TV.
Whether you say Karen and I went, rather than I and Karen, is not a rule of English grammar, but avoiding emphasis on the self. Admittedly! Rather like the Queen's use of one, as in "One prefers apple pie..."
 
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thankyou
 
lucem-ferre said:
Karen_Walker is correct when stated "It's supposed to be X and I." The way I was taught was to take out the other person's name when responding. For example...when asked "who went to the lake this afternoon?", if you take out the name "Kevin," you would not say "me went to the lake." You would correctly respond "I went to the lake." Therefore, you would correctly respond "Kevin and I went to the lake."
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I don't mean to sound foolish but I think this might be a confusion between the US education and Australian/UK. I've never heard this argument before. You (personally) would NEVER put yourself forward in response to a query re: a party of people being subject to enquiry. They, or ourselves, then I. That is just simply how it is taught here and in hearing it on television as not following that order there is always laughter and mock-imitation here. ALWAYS.
 
jensu846 said:
........................... and nobody would correct my speech.
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Well they should have done. :D

"She" and "the cat's mother" is also, or was, widely applied when I was a young man living in England.
 
...after second reading, lucem-ferre, your response sounded to me similar to how we're taught....even though all I'm really seeing is your quote of "Kevin and I went to the lake".

....I've lost my train of thought now on the subject. I'll catch up on this again tomorrow.
 
"_______ and I..." is correct. However... (IMO) the proper use of the English language and how it's taught in the US is severely lacking these days. I'm looking at an application a 19 year old just turned into me today. His handwriting skills looks like they've stopped in the 4th grade. Zero penmanship skills. Capitals and lower cases are mixed. Amazingly everything seems spelled correctly.

I hate to be one of those old farts who blame technology for ruining the country but I kind of blame text-speak/shorthand as part of the problem. Kids aren't required to learn real writing skills anymore.
 
Legionair said:
^blackbeltninja well, at least I know I'm not completely mad.

Sloppy, your one of a kind with your dedication to participate, at least.
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