Just need a simple answer for a simple question.

[oakpope]

In French, it's 'Kevin et moi' (moi = me). The equivalent of I 'je' is never used with another subject.

But it's not grammatically incorrect to write 'Moi et Kevin', it's just considered rude and impolite.

 

[peeonme]

When one tries to use (note, that I said try) proper English in most circles they feel like a freak. I always try and always get looks from people, there is almost a pressure to use "street" talk.

This is not just the beer belching blue collar folks, I encounter it in most places. I have had my boss ask me to "not talk so fancy", he slaughters English like a butcher.

 

[borg69unimatrix]

When one tries to use (note, that I said try) proper English in most circles they feel like a freak. I always try and always get looks from people, there is almost a pressure to use "street" talk.

This is not just the beer belching blue collar folks, I encounter it in most places. I have had my boss ask me to "not talk so fancy", he slaughters English like a butcher.

Bosses hate it when you're smarter than they are... they feel threatened.

 

[pat grimshaw]

When one tries to use (note, that I said try) proper English in most circles they feel like a freak. I always try and always get looks from people, there is almost a pressure to use "street" talk….

Yes it's all part of the general world dumbing down. No culture but trash culture.

 

[peeonme]

As subjects, it is 'Kevin and I': Kevin and I went to the movies. (Doers.)
As objects, it is 'Kevin and me': They went to the movies with Kevin and me. (Doees.)

In either case, the other person ALWAYS comes first.

I wanted to make public note of my gratitude for you clearing up a lingering question for me, when to say, and me and when to say and I.

 

[Benvolio]

As subjects, it is 'Kevin and I': Kevin and I went to the movies. (Doers.)
As objects, it is 'Kevin and me': They went to the movies with Kevin and me. (Doees.)

In either case, the other person ALWAYS comes first.

The other person first is not a rule of grammar.

 

[star-warrior]

The other person first is not a rule of grammar.

It is more of politeness and manners, consideration for others to put the other person first I would say...

 

[pigface]

The me/I error I can live with. What annoys me beyond measure is the use of 'myself' in place of 'me', and it is very commonly heard in this country.

I continually hear - on TV as well, from professional people too - statements such as: "The group will include Dr. P, Mr. Q, Mrs. X, and myself"

 

[frankfrank]

I think a good part of the "problem" was caused when this song became a hit in (I think) 1969:



Mistakes which show up in popular music tend to be repeated for years, or even generations, afterward.

Only in recent years have I started to hear people pronounce that large Mexican border city as "Tee-Whanna" which is the correct way. This song hit #1 in 1958 (or came close, at least) with the "Tee-uh-Wanna" pronunciation in it, and I think that persisted for a couple generations until just recently.



And only now that coffee has indeed become BIG in the United States, has the correct pronunciation of that strong kind of coffee, ESPRESSO, caught on and become dominant. In another #1 song, in 1963, it was pronounced "EXPRESSO." I think it was less than ten years ago that I first heard it called ESPRESSO (correctly), even by drinkers.



I'm sure there are other examples of bad grammar or syntax which have been perpetuated because of popular music.

 

[SLOPPYSECONDS]

no end wot popular perpechewate
_dingdingding_

luv tis thread

thankyou

 

[Legionair]

Perhaps booze is the excuse for all of the mistakes in the opening post.

If we are to overlook your spelling, grammar, typing, etc. mistakes/differences, I believe you should be willing to do the same for others.

You'll be fine.

er, yeah I guess so, smartass. I didn't propose myself to be an arbiter of grammatical correctness. I just asked a simple question....with my own grammar and spelling mistakes included for all to see. Jesus, there always has to be some smug prick sitting around here just waiting to show his superiority.

OT, the issue of "she" is taught here just as an element of polite correctness, not a grammatical one. If a "lady" is an "elder" of yours you would refer to her by her surname (with the Ms, Miss, Mrs added). Your allowed to refer to a common peer as she.