Kanye West - Bisexual??? [merged]

[Radio_Ethiopia]

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In 50's case I judge him rather harshy b/c I see it as another man of color to be in the position he's in and act like a complete disgrace to the race (not just black, but the human race as a whole) warrants ultimate discourse from me.

I admire Kanye for the opposite reason, he is one of the most famous African Americans alive and he is using that status to break stereotypes not embracing them like 50 does so willingly.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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^Came back stronger musically? With him I don't think he considers anything he records to be less than amazing. Some people DIDN'T like the music that followed that comment.

And, if we assume that what he said were true, is there really a right time and wrong time to express such things? When someone is as dangerously irresponsible with human lives as Bush was, why should we wait to comment about it? When you have two people, one who mishandles a national disaster, and one who comments on it, how does the one who commented come out as the wrong party? And if the irresponsible party is wrong, why should criticism be given a time-frame?

Unlike a lot of people, I feel Bush made a terrible mistake, yet I'm not putting all of the blame on him. Not everything that goes on in this country is caused by him and solely his fault, or a conspiracy. And if I recall correctly, the entire city of New Orleans isn't just black people. So I guess he just doesn't care about people in general. That would have been a more appropriate statement, in my opinion, regardless if the majority affected were black.

With all due respect -- and you've been civil to me in this thread so please know that what I'm writing to you is reciprocally civil and not an indictment of you at all -- that's what speaking truth to power is all about. It's about saying these things when you can make the most impact. That's actually the moment for which I admired him the most and it was something that needed to be said. When people say "That was inappropriate" what they really mean is, "That is against the status quo" and that's precisely what activism is about.

Kanye didn't get violent, didn't try to hurt anyone physically, didn't blow shit up. He did what the children of Freedom of Speech, Civil Disobedience, Non-Violent Protest, Activism, and Civil Rights are supposed to do. He simply...spoke.

It certainly makes him more substantial than a lot of celebrities and it was a helluva lot more thought-provoking than asking Michelle Obama on The View how she would decorate the White House.

As I've stated before, that's your opinion, and I respect it. However, I disagree with you. I don't respect or admire him for his comments, although I respect him for having the courage to do so, just not for what he said. I believe the comment was inappropriate because Bush isn't the only reason all of the Katrina mishaps came about. But that's all people focused on was strictly him. Not the state and city being unprepared, not the Governor, mayor for not having their territories properly prepared, having a proper safety and evacuation route that is effective. Having proper emergency supplies, etc. Yes, the only part Bush had to play he fucked up, well, what's new? That doesn't mean he "doesn't care about black people." He's not solely nor majorly to blame. He sat in a chair for several minutes when 9/11 happened. I guess Bush didn't care about New Yorkers. Or was he behind 9/11 so that he could get rid of all the black people in the towers? Kanye's statement is about as logical as the few I just made about 9/11.

We'll never agree on the subject, I can see. And that's cool.

 

[tavares]

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I think he's circumcised... probably with a fat head.

 

[tavares]

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I said I think he's circumcised with a fat head, dammit! Can we leave this political crap alone and stay on the most important issue here? THE DAMN DICK?!

Sheesh!

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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Wait a minute, who said conspiracy? You're putting words in our mouth. Our charge was incompetence, not conspiracy. That is a typical deflection though, anytime someone tries to hold the government accountable for their failures they're written off as conspiracists. Once again, taking the fault away from the O So Holy Government.

No no, not from you two! I was including what Spike Lee had said in my responses when he said that the levees were purposely broken in a conspiracy. I wasn't putting words in your mouth. I would never purposely do that and if you feel I have I apologize!

Why regardless? If Bush let's a population wash off into the Gulf, and a majority of that population is black, by what stretch is it unreasonable to say he "doesn't care about em?" We're not calling him racist, we're not saying he's a Klansman, we're just saying he stood by and did nothing as an entire city's worth of black people drift off into the ocean.

I understand that completely. I'm not him, so I don't know what was going on to where he fucked up so bad with this whole catastrophe, I just feel people were way to quick to bring race into the picture (by people I mean Kanye West and others who made such comments.) It wasn't because the city was heavily unprepared, or the state for that matter, and the state's failure to a quick respons, or that Bush is a complete dumbass who never should have been elected in the first place, it's strictly because he 'doesn't care about black people.' That's the part I find irritating. It's about as great a statement to make as, say if a tornado hit in Chicago and wiped out an office building and (God forbid) a lot of casualties happened. It's not because they had no escape or emergency plan. It's not because the weather was unpredictable and unfortunate and nobody had time to seek shelter, it's because someone just doesn't care about black people. The people of New Orleans had plenty of warning. There are the few losers who stay behind for the thrill, but there's also those who couldn't get out because of whatever reason. So, it's automatically Bush's fault regardless. The stadium roof not holding up, Bush's fault. Levees break, Bush did it on purpose. Streets and homes are flooded, Bush's fault. And it's all because he doesn't care about black people.
So much went wrong with Katrina, but bottom line was: Katrina was all Bush's fault because he doesn't care about black people. That's disturbing that nobody bothers to see the FACTUAL side of things like the state being heavily unprepared, etc, rather than assuming he doesn't care about black people because he has an IQ of a firefly.

 

[Dcloset]

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Back to the issue.

Kanye is an arrogant asshole but I still want to see his dick, balls and ass.

Case closed?

 

[Gengar7s]

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I would love to see Kanye naked. I bet he's uncut

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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Kanye didn't give a book report and say "EVERYTHING is Bush's fault," he didn't say "No one else is at fault" but ignoring the racial and class aspect of this situation is precisely why these problems continue, people like to cover their ears and go "La La La Laaa! That wouldn't happen in America! This is the land of equality and opportunity for all! Even poor people!"

It's NOT always about RACE, but it seems thats the first place some people automatically jump to. The same amount of people that 'cover their ears' are also the ones blaming everything on race. As you stated, the population was all lower-class, and included ALL races.

And it wasn't just Katrina. Spend two months at a hospital in South Side Chicago, then spend two months at one of the uber-luxurious hospital/mansions that celebs visit in California and tell me that the playing field is even. Notice I didn't mention race in this paragraph, poor white people are in the same boat (that probably has a hole in it) as poor blacks.

So then President Bush doesn't care about anyone who isn't rich. Would have been a better statement. But, that wouldn't shock anyone. So of course, play the race card, and everyone is up in arms.
You see where I'm going? I'm not trying to be ignorant and DEFINITELY am not trying to defend Bush in any way, however the race card gets old, especially when so much to the contrary disproves Kanye's theory. The facts are the city and state were overwhelmingly unprepared for such a disaster. The fact is Bush is too stupid to know what to do in crisis situations, as we saw with 9/11. So knowing what we know, secluding it to black people is pretty bogus, in my opinion.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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That's always the first claim, that anyone who mentions race uses it as an excuse for everything. Perhaps Kanye is just a self-victimizer, perhaps he's socially intelligent.

This hurricane could have hit anywhere on the Gulf Coast and the SAME THING would have happened. Unpreparedness, Bush too stupid to know what to do, etc. Was 9/11 about race when he didn't do much about it at first? No. So why does this have to be? Because the town happened to have a large population of lower class blacks?

The term 'race card' is so terribly misused like you just did. Using the race card means trying to use your ethnicity to get ahead, to get leverage. He had nothing to gain by making this statement, and he doesn't live in NO so he wasn't victimized. If Kanye is this inflammatory self-victimizer, why aren't there ANY OTHER EXAMPLES of him using his race?

To me, when I use the term "race card," it's bringing up race in every way possible to a situation where it's inappropriate. Whether it be to advance yourself, insult someone, put blame on someone, etc.
So, with that, I'm not misusing it. Maybe in a sense, but it means different things to different people, I guess.
And exactly, he doesn't live in NO. So he was quick to pass judgement on someone and their alleged careless attitude towards one race.

You know what else gets old? Being told that you're playing a 'race card.' If this past election didn't prove to you that America still has some subsconscious and sytematic problems with race, you're either not paying attention at all or you're choosing to be ignorant.

You don't think it gets old being labeled as racist because you didn't vote for the black candidate? You don't think it gets old saying 'if Obama doesn't win, it's because people are racist?' I mean seriously. It's used for EVERYTHING, and Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are a GREAT example of that. Especially during this election. Barack Obama was a great example. His race was brought up to say "people in America are racist." Obama brought it up to seperate himself from other Presidents and those running for the Presidential nominations. Other's used it to express their racism. It was used in MANY ways. But of course, if he wasn't elected, it was because people are racist. It gets old that if something doesn't go someone's way, it's racist. Its such a touchy subject for some people, but, I'd rather not get into the election/race discussion.
And I agree, some Americans DO still have issues with race. But using race for everything isn't getting anyone anywhere.

But it's about race more often that the dominant culture would like to admit.

I can agree with that.

and in this case, yes it very much was.

I strongly disagree with that.

 

[Dcloset]

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I said I think he's circumcised with a fat head, dammit! Can we leave this political crap alone and stay on the most important issue here? THE DAMN DICK?!

Sheesh!

LMAO Okaaaay?

These Taylor Swift fans in here trying to analyze everything.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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So how do you determine when it's inappropriate? How long have you been studying sociology to say where race applies and where it doesn't? I agree 100,000% that there are cases where it doesn't apply, but it's annoying to hear that it never applies.

I'm sure it applies to A LOT of different situations. I just don't believe that Katrina was one of them. I feel saying that race had something to do with the Katrina response was inappropriate because there's facts that back up the unpreparedness of the city and state for such a disaster. The fact that Bush fucked up something yet again wasn't a fact or proof that he doesn't care about black people, it just makes it a fact and proof that he should neve have been allowed to be the leader of the free world!

It probably does, but I haven't said that and I haven't seen anyone on JUB say that.

It was mostly figures in the media. Never really was a problem on this board, that I saw.

He didn't use it with everything, just one situation. You're talking about Kanye as if he throws the race card everyday, everywhere he goes, instead of discussing this on the merit of his one comment about one situation.

No, he doesn't throw it around much, if at all other than this, but I believe that the one time he did use it, in my opinion, it was not appropriate given the facts about the State's preparedness and saying that Bush didn't care when in reality he's just a f!@##$% idiot. I mean, I definitely wasn't shocked he didn't respond quickly. But I wouldn't say it was racially motivated, as others have.
And yeah, when I mentioned Al Sharpton, after I posted it, I remembered your displeasure with him in regards to that specific subject.

And anyone bitching about me and MC, we're discussing Kanye, we're essentially On-Topic. If it bothers you that much, you can ignore us.

I mean seriously. If you wanna talk about his dick, do so, but don't tell us to shut up when we're on topic!! If you all think we're fighting, we're not. At least I don't think we are. lol.

 

[Muscles4daze]

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Marley is it just me or is "Nik2" sexy as hell

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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In regard to Nik2, I have to give his creators credit. That's male perfection at it's best!

 

[scains]

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I'd take a peek just to see what he's packing but I'd have to cover his face first.

 

[Laststraw21]

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I'll pass. Just stick to the music, bud.

And since it's apparently give Nik2 a compliment day, he's adorable (physically and the way you present yourself [online]). (but I think I told you this already)

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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*pushes Muscles and MCs outta the way*

Me first bitches, he loves me first!
*

Hold on a minute, bitch! (lol)

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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MY ASS IS FATTER! Unless, thats not your thing, then it's boney and skeletor Marc Anthony-like.

 

[inlovewithblair]

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But I can't whisper if I'm biting your neck...

You're hot.

 

[MCsNo1Fn]

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I bet Nik gets more dick than a urinal at the Apollo. Lucky men!

 

[tavares]

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Next week babe. Day after MLK.

It's good to have you back!

New Haven, huh? Too bad Marley's all the way in Charlotte... and I'm right here in cold ass Connecticut. Hee hee hee hee heee....