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Keith Oberman Verbally Attacks Bush

Ok you got me there that was a poll on opinion which exemplifies bias. Bias is defined as:

bi·as (bī'əs) Pronunciation Key
n.
A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment.

I dare say an opinion might be an inclination but i digress. God knows, I wont come to your level and insult your knowledge of english. Oops.

You want facts WIKI Media bias. SOme of the finer points follow:

Media Bias
The academic study cited most frequently by critics of a "liberal media bias" in American journalism is The Media Elite,* a 1986 book co-authored by political scientists Robert Lichter, Stanley Rothman, and Linda Lichter. They surveyed journalists at national media outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, and the broadcast networks. The survey which found that most of these journalists were Democratic voters whose attitudes were well to the left of the general public on a variety of topics, including such hot-button social issues such as abortion, affirmative action, and gay rights. Then they compared journalists' attitudes to their coverage of controversial issues such as the safety of nuclear power, school busing to promote racial integration, and the energy crisis of the 1970s.

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The authors concluded that journalists' coverage of controversial issues reflected their own attitudes, and the predominance of political liberals in newsrooms therefore pushed news coverage in a liberal direction. They presented this tilt as a mostly unconscious process of like-minded individuals projecting their shared assumptions onto their interpretations of reality. In principle this meant that newsrooms populated mainly by conservatives would produce a similarly skewed perspective toward the political right. Such accusations have been leveled against Fox News. At the time, however, the study was embraced mainly by conservative columnists and politicians, who adopted the findings as "scientific proof" of liberal media bias.

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Many of the positions in the preceding study are supported by a 2002 study by Jim A. Kuypers: Press Bias and Politics: How the Media Frame Controversial Issues. In this study of 116 mainstream US papers (including The New York Times, the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, and the San Francisco Chronicle), Kuypers believed he had found that the mainstream press in America operate within a narrow range of liberal beliefs. Those who expressed points of view further to the left were generally ignored, whereas those who expressed moderate or conservative points of view were often actively denigrated or labeled as holding a minority point of view. In short, if a political leader, regardless of party, spoke within the press-supported range of acceptable discourse, he or she would receive positive press coverage. If a politician, again regardless of party, were to speak outside of this range, he or she would receive negative press or be ignored. Kuypers also claimed to have found that the liberal points of view expressed in editorial and opinion pages were found in hard news coverage of the same issues. Although focusing primarily on the issues of race and homosexuality, Kuypers found that the press injected opinion into its news coverage of other issues such as welfare reform, environmental protection, and gun control; in all cases favoring a liberal point of view.

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They find an upward trend in the average propensity to endorse a candidate, and in particular an incumbent one. There are also some changes in the average ideological slant of endorsements: while in the 40s and in the 50s there was a clear advantage to Republican candidates, this advantage continuously eroded in subsequent decades, to the extent that in the 90s the authors find a slight Democrats' lead in the average endorsement choice.

While I could put as many scientific studies up that you can both represent our opinions and hence our bias. Neither will believe the other so why go on, in any event when did you become Centexfarmers public defender?
 
They are illustrated with a bit more lack of bias on the WIki site so I looked at their ref's and chop on your posted tags. MMFA is decidedly and self admitted liberal watchdog. Fact is both sides of the aisle have used stats and "scientific" studies to illustrate their point. The wiki cites the fact that owners are generally conservative and therefore their pundits are also so if you are looking for an opinion from say a Forbes business expert then it will have a conservative bent that reflects their employers attitudes. SO since the expert opinions tend to mostly be republican then thats what you see more of in the opinion press.
 
Ok you got me there that was a poll on opinion which exemplifies bias. Bias is defined as: bi·as (bī'əs) Pronunciation Key n. A preference or an inclination, especially one that inhibits impartial judgment. I dare say an opinion might be an inclination but i digress. God knows, I wont come to your level and insult your knowledge of english. Oops. You want facts WIKI Media bias. SOme of the finer points follow: Media Bias While I could put as many scientific studies up that you can both represent our opinions and hence our bias. Neither will believe the other so why go on, in any event when did you become Centexfarmers public defender?

General_Alfie has never defended me anywhere in this forum.

I can take care of myself thank you.

I do appreciate his pointing out the difference between "liberal" journalists as your link points out from The Pew Foundation Report, as opposed to "liberal" media. Which was the my challange. To prove to me that the "liberal media" exists.

But Using WikiMedia, as a source only identifies what media bias is, and does nothing more than to further support the "myth of a liberal media." IOW, anything Wiki is suspect. Many of us here in CE&P (from both sides/views) agreed to that sometime ago.

Perhaps what we should really be doing is looking at who owns all of the media outlets in this country, and who actually funds this research that everyone uses.

Can you say "Think-Tanks?" How about "The Heritage Foundation?" Who funds the Pew Charitable Trust? Where does Ivy-League funding come from for their studies?

Showing me that there is a poll that proves how many journalists are "liberal" does nothing to prove a liberal bias in the media.

Chance1, in his Haiku fashion ;) , illustrated the difference between Scheiffer's opinion, and Keith Olbermann's "emoting."

I agree.

There is a difference between an "opinion piece" which may be percieved as "liberal," and an entire media conglomerate pacifying which ever party is in power in hopes of landing sweet FCC licensing agreements.

IOW, it's not the journalists that make up the biases in the media, but rather who owns the media.

By the way, Ken Barnes that was quoted from to prove liberal bias, is an Op-Ed (Opinion | Editorial) piece based upon polling data taken from The Pew Center. For the record.

I stand by my original post:

centexfarmer said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here, and suggest that if we had more people in the media like Bob Scheiffer, and Keith Olbermann voicing their views in the media, as opposed to telling everyone what the news is, and what to think, maybe, just maybe this country wouldn't be in the mess that it's in.

The reality of a "liberal media" is a myth, perpetrated by the right in an attempt to squash dissent.

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong! :grrr:
 
Exactly! It is who owns the media who make the content decisions. ANd the bent they portray. Saying that there is no liberal media bias because it just depends who is paying their paychecks in misleading. The squash wasn't the myth of liberal media. The squash was from the boardroom looking at their bottom line. When the bottom line fell out to Fox they shifted gears. Waigt until the next foru or five reports hit the street. It will be some conservative bias. Just A matter of time.
 
there is no proof that the media is liberal.

the very term liberal is subjective and open to the opinion of the user.

the only way to see any real "facts" is to gauge airtime used by partisans. Alfies source has that hard data. it shows that the conservatives had more time on air to make their cases.

alas

they lost the election anyway.

so it wasnt really effective.

that goes back to a previous point i made in a different thread

Just because the news being delivered reflects poorly on someone doesnt mean that the message bearer is partisan.

america has been run unilaterally by one party for the last six years, and the voters and press have simply held them accountable for their actions. the very real and bad state of the union is not about the press, olberman, or even fox...

its about the president and his party. Olberman is stating that reality and as a member of the press he has a responsibility to do so.
 
there is no proof that the media is liberal.


No there is no proof

There is no proof that you are an extreme liberal

But by reading your posts, you prove it - every day

By listening to CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC+

they prove it every day

doesn't make it bad - just is what it is

they are liberal leaning as water is wet
 
Chance1 and Andreus!

Put each other on your ignore list or I will have it done for you. I am so beyond sick and tired of your pointless harping and bickering at each other. When you have learned to communicate your points without taking swipes at other members of this forum, I will reconsider this decision.

Failure to follow these instructions will earn each of you a forum ban. Am I understood?
 
[-X Let's stay on topic please.

The point is how would you ever "prove" that anyone is liberal or conservative

Unless they say "I'm this/that"

You only know by listening and evaluating their positions relative to what each side is espousing

and in my opinion, that is on topic
 
The liberal media is a constant - rr laid out the primary examples - unfortunately people hear what they want to hear.

they are liberal leaning as water is wet

I have to disagree here. I used to watch all of the news stations (well, at least CNN and Fox). And I find CNN to be pretty middle of the road. It is not liberal leaning at all... unless you're viewing it from the right.

And I believe it was fox who multiple times referred to Foley as a democrat. There were even pics up that showed multiple times that they did that. Now THAT's being biased.
 
I will not respond to your personal attacks however I did respond to your facts. Review the info I posted and feel free to comment that and stop personally attacking me.

Perhaps you can't see it on the bottom left of each post so here is a link to the Code
 
As I told you in an earlier post; responses to media bias will be in a new thread, as we are getting off topic; as the Mods have warned . So You will hear more, but not on this thread.
 
I responded to your post with a list of links and information you have yet to respond except with a , I will get to it later. SO the "nuh uh you first" defense doesn't really work for ya this time.
 
I don't think some people would know the topic if it hit them on the head.

Next week we'll have a major announcement with regard to open threads and on-topic discussion. There's a new day on the horizon ....
 
In fairness, there really should be a disclaimer before and after Keith's show, something to the effect "this is a paid political announcement"

It is flat out scary what is considered journalism these days

He is such an angry soul

Last I checked Editorials were considered a completely valid form of journalism. I've never considered his end of the show monolog to be anything but an editorial. More to the point, he know's he's editorializing which is a breath of fresh air in today's atmosphere of Bill O`Reilly and friends who cant tell their opinions from the facts.
 
Last I checked Editorials were considered a completely valid form of journalism. I've never considered his end of the show monolog to be anything but an editorial. More to the point, he know's he's editorializing which is a breath of fresh air in today's atmosphere of Bill O`Reilly and friends who cant tell their opinions from the facts.

to each his own

I would ask u if u actually watch O'Reilly or if ur taking the JUB majority word for it - please do if u haven't. He has guests - both sides of an issue - whereas Keith O only has his kind of guests.

As for editorials - that's a laugh

An editorial is "I disagree with this because ..................."

Keith's stuff is attack journalism - demeaning the President on a regular basis - that is not an editorial

There's a way to do something and a way not to

Keith is a partisan - period
 
Chance ...... at least Keith Olbermann doesn't go in for self promotion like Bill O'Reilly does with all the books and trinkets he hawks: :p



uh oh! nevermind!
 
Chance ...... at least Keith Olbermann doesn't go in for self promotion like Bill O'Reilly does with all the books and trinkets he hawks: :p



uh oh! nevermind!

is that a legit moment on his show?

or a goof?

that was pretty funny
 
to each his own

I would ask u if u actually watch O'Reilly or if ur taking the JUB majority word for it - please do if u haven't. He has guests - both sides of an issue - whereas Keith O only has his kind of guests.

As for editorials - that's a laugh

An editorial is "I disagree with this because ..................."

Keith's stuff is attack journalism - demeaning the President on a regular basis - that is not an editorial

There's a way to do something and a way not to

Keith is a partisan - period

Yes I do watch the O'Reilly factor at least twice a week, more if I get out of work at a reasonable hour. Honestly the most frustrating thing about the O'Reilly factor for me is his reluctance to call the Republicans on the abandonment of conservative values. If anyone should have been infuriated that the previous Congress funded this war via special appropriations well after it was a known expense, it should have been Bill O'Reilly. Don't mistake my criticism of his on-air personality for disagreement with his fundamental premises.

I basically stopped watching Countdown after Michael Jackson Puppet theater ended but it was fucking hilarious when it was on.
 
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