Kenosha Shootings during Jacob Blake Protests [SPLIT]

[Sha-Rok]

Did anyone see the videos of this POS sucker punching a girl before youtube took them down?

Yep, sure did see Kyle punching a girl. Such a brave upstanding citizen. Had he been able to join the Police force [still might when they let him walk] he would’ve made sure to have that charge expunged or sealed...like the others on the force when they get a DUI or DV charge. Cowards.

 

[NotHardUp1]

From all accounts, Mr. Blake and his incompetent police attempting to arrest him richly deserved each other.

He had an open arrest warrant for domestic violence and sexual assault. The police did not stop him randomly nor did they target him for some kind of harassment. They were called to the scene by a citizen who reported he was trying to steal her vehicle, presumably his ex, or whatever.

As in the case of many domestic disputes, the cops met heated resistance in an emotionally charged argument between a mister and a miss. Whether Mr. Blake was holding a knife, brandishing it, or merely claiming it was on his person, a struggle ensued as the officers tried to take him into custody. They had reason enough from the details that came out.

A physical fight ensued. That alone would or could get most anyone shot by police. Once resisting arrest progresses beyond a certain point, the officer has legitimate reason to believe lethal threat may be involved.

Non-lethal force was deployed. Mr. Blake was tased by one officer to subdue him. It failed. Another officer tased him. No effect.

At that point, the lawyers for Mr. Blake allege he was heading into the van to "check on his sons." This isn't very credible under the circumstances. When one is in the midst of a fist-fight with police officers, it isn't plausible that suddenly one becomes worried about children who are contained inside a vehicle with the doors shut.

However, the drawing of firearms was entirely on the officers. Surely two officers could have subdued one man long enough to get him cuffed. If they couldn't, they are in the wrong job. Because they couldn't control the suspect, it resulted in letting him walk, not run, around the vehicle to escalate a situation further. The police allowed his action, but his action was indeed his.

He was guilty of domestic abuse that triggered the call to the police. He was guilty of resisting arrest and possibly with a knife. The police were guilty of situational incompetence. Unlike the crazy that died in Rochester, there is no allegation that Mr. Blake was on PCP or had superhuman strength. Letting him open the door and reach for a weapon was a huge mistake and caused the shooting. That's on them.

But, he's no more a victim than any other crazy on the street. He caused the entire chain of events, and they made it worse by their bungling.

But racial? Hardly. It just serves the need du jour to portray everything that happens between black criminals and white cops as racist. If a white man had fought with police, gotten up from a double tasering and then went for his vehicle, he would have been shot just as quickly, but it wouldn't have made headlines because a horde of criminals, white or black, would not have taken to the streets to use the opportunity to rage.

Black Lives do Matter, but so far, way too many of the proof cases are people you would not only not want for neighbors, but would not even allow them into your homes.

That's not to take away from the incidents when police do target blacks or when they kill without due cause, but that doesn't make every one of these cases valid examples just because the optics work.

 

[TX-Beau]

From all accounts, Mr. Blake and his incompetent police attempting to arrest him richly deserved each other.

He had an open arrest warrant for domestic violence and sexual assault. The police did not stop him randomly nor did they target him for some kind of harassment. They were called to the scene by a citizen who reported he was trying to steal her vehicle, presumably his ex, or whatever.

As in the case of many domestic disputes, the cops met heated resistance in an emotionally charged argument between a mister and a miss. Whether Mr. Blake was holding a knife, brandishing it, or merely claiming it was on his person, a struggle ensued as the officers tried to take him into custody. They had reason enough from the details that came out.

A physical fight ensued. That alone would or could get most anyone shot by police. Once resisting arrest progresses beyond a certain point, the officer has legitimate reason to believe lethal threat may be involved.

Non-lethal force was deployed. Mr. Blake was tased by one officer to subdue him. It failed. Another officer tased him. No effect.

At that point, the lawyers for Mr. Blake allege he was heading into the van to "check on his sons." This isn't very credible under the circumstances. When one is in the midst of a fist-fight with police officers, it isn't plausible that suddenly one becomes worried about children who are contained inside a vehicle with the doors shut.

However, the drawing of firearms was entirely on the officers. Surely two officers could have subdued one man long enough to get him cuffed. If they couldn't, they are in the wrong job. Because they couldn't control the suspect, it resulted in letting him walk, not run, around the vehicle to escalate a situation further. The police allowed his action, but his action was indeed his.

He was guilty of domestic abuse that triggered the call to the police. He was guilty of resisting arrest and possibly with a knife. The police were guilty of situational incompetence. Unlike the crazy that died in Rochester, there is no allegation that Mr. Blake was on PCP or had superhuman strength. Letting him open the door and reach for a weapon was a huge mistake and caused the shooting. That's on them.

But, he's no more a victim than any other crazy on the street. He caused the entire chain of events, and they made it worse by their bungling.

But racial? Hardly. It just serves the need du jour to portray everything that happens between black criminals and white cops as racist. If a white man had fought with police, gotten up from a double tasering and then went for his vehicle, he would have been shot just as quickly, but it wouldn't have made headlines because a horde of criminals, white or black, would not have taken to the streets to use the opportunity to rage.

Black Lives do Matter, but so far, way too many of the proof cases are people you would not only not want for neighbors, but would not even allow them into your homes.

That's not to take away from the incidents when police do target blacks or when they kill without due cause, but that doesn't make every one of these cases valid examples just because the optics work.

Blame the victim - how tediously cliché.

It's funny how all those supposed "law and order" advocates always ignore the annoying little face that summary execution is illegal.

 

[TX-Beau]

Yep, sure did see Kyle punching a girl. Such a brave upstanding citizen. Had he been able to join the Police force [still might when they let him walk] he would’ve made sure to have that charge expunged or sealed...like the others on the force when they get a DUI or DV charge. Cowards.

Here's the world we live in, Kyle murders two people and the usual suspect rush to his defense - including in here, where we all should know better. Who else do you think a right wing murderer wants to kill?

Then the usual suspects vilify the black man who was shot seven times in the back, including in here - because apparently, we don't want him living in our neighborhoods. That above post it pretty fucking disgusting.

 

[cabinfever]

I can't even comment anymore on the current shootings because of the cop who bought Dylan Roof who shot up the church Burger King. The way my mind works - I tend to think of it all as one incident - a big picture that keeps getting bigger. I look at most things in that context.

Did America discuss racist cops then? Yes Did OTHER police officers rise up with rage and disgust and speak out? Not that I noticed. Maybe some did and I didn't see the report. In my eyes - that is the moment they defined themselves as a group - and here we are - again and again and again.

I don't believe all cops are bad or racist - but the silence isn't doing them OR ANYONE ELSE any favors.

Phony and/or obligatory apologies doesn't cut it





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[Pierresro]

Re: Police Killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis [SPLIT]

thats irresponsible media.
They will pay for it if something happened to that police.

No it is not the cop should be behind bars!

 

[ChristianGianni]

 

[NotHardUp1]

Blame the victim - how tediously cliché.

It's funny how all those supposed "law and order" advocates always ignore the annoying little face that summary execution is illegal.

Executions are planned actions. Incompetent police action is a lack of planning, so at most, institutional wrong, but not execution. The family that called in Mr. Blake was black, and they were trying to stop him from illegally taking the children.

And those same people in that same neighborhood are not wanting or able to deal with crime on their own.

It shouldn't be possible to blame the victim, but when a criminal becomes the victim by his actions that caused him to become a "victim," then yes.

The old racism was wrong. The new racism is wrong. Making a criminal "right" because he is black and dead doesn't cut it.

Lots of criminals end up dead when they resist arrest and almost ALL of them do when pulling a firearm or attempting to reach for something when being ordered to not move. They die when they are white, blue, black, yellow, red, or green.

That more blacks are involved in violent crime per capita than their constituent population represents means by definition there will be more of them dying per capita.

That more of them kill their fellow blacks per capita than anyone else killing blacks means more of them are shot when in the course of criminal actions against their fellow blacks.

Not a pretty news story or fashionable, but still true. No amount of rhetoric or sneering removes that truth.

 

[KaraBulut]

...That more blacks are involved in violent crime per capita than their constituent population represents means by definition there will be more of them dying per capita.

Both of these statements have been discussed before and they misrepresent the data.

These are the facts:

• The race of the perpetrator and victim is not collected in about 1/3 of violent crimes.
• People who identify as "black or african american" in the census account for 13% of the population. Whites are 60% of the population.
• In the category of murder, 52% of the people arrested for murder were labeled as "black" on the statistical reports. It's true that 93% of black murder victims were murdered by black perpetrators. But it's also true that 84% of white victims were murdered by white perpetrators. Included in the category of homicide are victims of domestic violence, which accounts for 22% of all murders. There is not a significant difference between black people and white people- they murder their own kind.
• Rape is also a violent crime. In the category of rape, 68% of people arrested for rape are white. 70% of arrests for sexual offenses other than rape are white.
• Also, 68% of the people arrested for theft/larceny are white; 68% of the people arrested for motor vehicle theft are white; 73% of people arrested for arson are white.
• 74% of people arrested for drunkenness are white. 81% of people arrested for DWI/DUIs are white. 71% of people arrested for drug offenses are white.
• Overall, 69% of people arrested for crimes that are reported to the FBI are white.

The only category of arrests for crimes where white people aren't proportionately represented as a percentage of the population is homicide. Homicide is only one category of violent crime.

That more of them kill their fellow blacks per capita than anyone else killing blacks means more of them are shot when in the course of criminal actions against their fellow blacks.

I have never seen this statistic cited, so you would need to provide the research that reports this statement.

If 69% of people arrested for crimes are white, it does not make sense that only 37% of people shot by people are white (and that 37% includes that includes hispanic people who may also identify as mixed-race).

 

[ClubLevelVegan]

This company is getting completely shit on by everyone at this point. The people who see this piece of shit as a hero and you know, people with actual brains, with sympathy and empathy shitting on them for not denouncing a murderer. You love to see it.

 

[voltronforce]

Kyler is a White Supremacist and should be found guilty of first degree murder. His mother should be charged with something, terrible parenting, his elders raised him this way.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Kyler is a White Supremacist and should be found guilty of first degree murder. His mother should be charged with something, terrible parenting, his elders raised him this way.

He'll be hailed as a 1st amendment hero, might even get a statue someday. #Murikkka #whitesupremacistsince1776

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Executions are planned actions. Incompetent police action is a lack of planning, so at most, institutional wrong, but not execution. The family that called in Mr. Blake was black, and they were trying to stop him from illegally taking the children.

And those same people in that same neighborhood are not wanting or able to deal with crime on their own.

It shouldn't be possible to blame the victim, but when a criminal becomes the victim by his actions that caused him to become a "victim," then yes.

The old racism was wrong. The new racism is wrong. Making a criminal "right" because he is black and dead doesn't cut it.

Lots of criminals end up dead when they resist arrest and almost ALL of them do when pulling a firearm or attempting to reach for something when being ordered to not move. They die when they are white, blue, black, yellow, red, or green.

That more blacks are involved in violent crime per capita than their constituent population represents means by definition there will be more of them dying per capita.

That more of them kill their fellow blacks per capita than anyone else killing blacks means more of them are shot when in the course of criminal actions against their fellow blacks.

Not a pretty news story or fashionable, but still true. No amount of rhetoric or sneering removes that truth.

The racist myths in this post have already been debunked, in public discourse AND on this very site.

 

[Alistair]

Ricky Schroder is getting ripped online for his $150k donation to get Rittenhouse out of jail. And he's calling the police over it

While they weren't life-threatening, some of the comments were pretty nasty ... "Tbh thought he was dead. Would've been better," "This was a racist move pure and simple," and "Ricky Schroder can shove that silver spoon right up his own ass."

https://www.tmz.com/2020/11/24/rick...-kyle-rittenhouse-bail-social-media-comments/

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Blame the victim - how tediously cliché.

It's funny how all those supposed "law and order" advocates always ignore the annoying little face that summary execution is illegal.

Not if the victim is black-- and I'm (as are you assumingly) using the word purposely because it's denied for PoC, calling a black person of any circumstance least of all violence at the hands of Amerikkka's (negro) bloodthirsty police force is even mocked.

When Americans talk about black... recipients of police (or any white) violence the word victim is almost never used. It was denied Trayvon Martin and he was buying some fucking skittles for his little brother.

 

[TX-Beau]

Not if the victim is black-- and I'm (as are you assumingly) using the word purposely because it's denied for PoC, calling a black person of any circumstance least of all violence at the hands of Amerikkka's (negro) bloodthirsty police force is even mocked.

When Americans talk about black... recipients of police (or any white) violence the word victim is almost never used. It was denied Trayvon Martin and he was buying some fucking skittles for his little brother.

Yup, I hear what you're saying, the spectacle of people who tell themselves that they are just upstanding citizens standing up for law and justice while they wallow in hypocrisy and racist justification has always been ugly, and sadly always been the status quo.

The police never were the arbiters of justice anyway, they were the stormtroopers of Jim Crow, still are. The entire system needs to be rebuilt.

 

[fabulouslyghetto]

Yup, I hear what you're saying, the spectacle of people who tell themselves that they are just upstanding citizens standing up for law and justice while they wallow in hypocrisy and racist justification has always been ugly, and sadly always been the status quo.

The police never were the arbiters of justice anyway, they were the stormtroopers of Jim Crow, still are. The entire system needs to be rebuilt.

The frightening part, I always said that at least when minority problems bleed over into white Amerikkka then maybe it will get attention, I hoped police violence would "become a legit issue" when the victim was white... And then the white guy was murdered by cops in Vegas and Amerikkka was STILL apathetic. If a white man can't get justice in this country theres no hope for anyone.

 

[KaraBulut]

Kyle Rittenhouse moved to a new location while on bail and he did not provide an updated address to the court. However, because even though Rittenhouse is accused of two murders, he has some level of privilege, so the judge did not penalize him for violating the terms of his bail. The judge also did not provide Rittenhouse's new address to the District Attorney who is prosecuting his case.

Judge declines new arrest warrant for Kyle Rittenhouse [AP]

A judge on Thursday refused prosecutors’ request to issue a new arrest warrant for an 18-year-old from Illinois accused of killing two people during a police brutality protest in Wisconsin last summer.

Kenosha County Assistant District Attorney Thomas Binger alleged that Kyle Rittenhouse failed to update his address when he moved out of his Antioch apartment in November, amounting to a bail violation.

In addition to a new arrest warrant, Binger asked Judge Bruce Schroeder to increase Rittenhouse’s bail by $200,000. Rittenhouse’s attorneys countered that Rittenhouse is in hiding due to threats.

Schroeder refused both of Binger’s requests.

 

[rareboy]

The Klan is all in for him on this one.