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Kurt Cobain

Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

If his wife had been mine I light have blown my brains out too!
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

Dejavudoo said:
But we don't seem to want to track how many gay men choose the accounting route, or other mundane careers. We only want to see the artists.
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The idealist rising to the occasion....I plead guilty...nevertheless, your observation speaks to the insecurities alive in all of us, that we deny our true self to worship Mammon....paying the piper when our successes, celebrity, and bank account overwhelm us....far too many walk this path....here, I remember the acting genius, River Phoenix who trod a similar path to Cobain.
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

Dejavudoo said:
My main point was to state that I've found lots of gays in clerical work, whether out or not, but we tend to remember the ones who are more in the arts.
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An artist such as Cobain resonates much more with us, than those in mainstream employment, for he represents "success," stardom, and independence whereas, in reality celebrity carries a heavy price tag that destroys the lives of not a few artists, unable to bear the burden of "success."

In Cobain's case his early life paints a bleak picture of extreme un-happiness that he was never able to shake even, when "success" showered him with gifts beyond the imagination of most here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Cobain
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

Dejavudoo said:
But that statement conveniently ignores bisexuality. If one's orientation is to both, one may well choose a lifestyle that expresses one attraction and not the other.
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I don't see how it does since Bisexuality is an orientation, not a lifestyle.
 
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blackbeltninja said:
I do wonder what would have happened to Nirvana had he survived the drugs and drinking. Would they have lasted, and still be relevant and popular, or turned to shit like many other 90s bands did.

I may be alone here, but I was never convinced Kurt was a genius. I also don't buy the "I never wanted to be famous" nonsense he was renowned for.

-d-
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You are not alone. (cough)morose, droning twaddle (/cough)
 
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As far as sexuality, I think probably the majority of people are genuinely innately bisexual, in that they could enjoy sex and establish some kind of relationship with someone of any gender, and be happy and content with this. I think most people are prevented from enjoying this aspect of their being, by the socially imposed idea that we have to be either gay or straight. In the face of pressure, people succumb to this yes-or-no choice. However, because I think either choice can make most people happy, I don't think most of them suffer from it. But I do think the choice is unnecessary, until the point one actually picks a partner.
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

Dejavudoo said:
But that statement conveniently ignores bisexuality. If one's orientation is to both, one may well choose a lifestyle that expresses one attraction and not the other.

The suggestion that a lifestyle is not chosen is fallacious. The equation of lifestyle and orientation is also a problem. Many gays do not share anything as a lifetyle. Many who share a chosen lifestyle base in not on sexuality but culture.
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Points taken, Dejavudoo. I'm biased because I'm gay. Even though I accept there are bisexuals I have no personal experience with that. I've also known a lot of gay guys who falsely claimed to be bisexual in order to soften the jolt of telling people they were gay. I guess I get overly defensive when people start throwing words like choice and lifestyle around when talking about gay people. Because I know that for me it was never a choice and I don't consider my life a lifestyle, just a life. I know that's connecting orientation to it but I have a difficult time separating the two. Gay is who I am, living any other way would be a lie and destructive.
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

Dejavudoo said:
No. To be exact, bisexuality is two orientations. If the person only expresses one, he has lived according to one of his orientations. Or, his chosen orientation has been expressed in his lifestyle. He may choose to express both, yet another lifestyle.
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While embracing your logic it can also be argued that bisexuality is a behaviourial trait, that the "bisexual" person is heterosexual, or homosexual experimenting with both sexes to satisfy their need to orgasm with another human person...speaking more to a liberated person than their specific sexual orientation determining the gender of their sexual partner.
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

Expressing one or another does not make said person not Bisexual. Being attracted to two genders doesn't = two orientations.
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

MakeDigitalLove said:
Expressing one or another does not make said person not Bisexual. Being attracted to two genders doesn't = two orientations.
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An interesting observation for many years ago when I was 21, I met a 19 years old liberated gay man with whom I shared a fulfilling one night stand.....he was anxious to discuss a conflict that had arisen with his sexual orientation, telling me that he had accepted he was a gay man without questioning....then he fell in love with a girl at his workplace, not just an emotional entanglement, including a fulfilling sexual life....I questioned his motive choosing to share an orgasm with me....he replied that he wanted to test whether he still enjoyed the sexual company of men....and his answer was a definite yes....I advised him to continue with his relationship with his girlfriend.. that was the last I saw of him.....

Our intimate life can be much more revealing than our often black, and white views of life would have us believe.
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

blackbeltninja said:
I do wonder what would have happened to Nirvana had he survived the drugs and drinking. Would they have lasted, and still be relevant and popular, or turned to shit like many other 90s bands did.

I may be alone here, but I was never convinced Kurt was a genius. I also don't buy the "I never wanted to be famous" nonsense he was renowned for.

-d-
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Eh. I preferred Alice In Chains to Nirvana if we're delving back into the lost land of grunge, and I thought Lynn Strait was more of a genius than the two revered vocalists(not the least because I found him much hotter than the both of them combined).
 
Re: The late Kurt Cobain believed he was gay - as a teen

I remembered this quote of him...

"I am not gay, although I wish I were, just to piss off homophobes."
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...and that he claimed he pretended to be gay during his teenage years to avoid others, although he made a gay friend.

Regardless his sexuality, I think he was a great figure for LGBT people, one of the people of the old years who openly supported us. I sometimes wish he were still alive.
 
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MoufOfKhaos said:
Eh. I preferred Alice In Chains to Nirvana if we're delving back into the lost land of grunge
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Likewise.

And of course, let's not forget the mighty Pearl Jam who will always be my favourite; and doff our hats to the vocal prowess powering Soundgarden.

-d-
 
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I'm not familiar with Barret-era Floyd, but I gather he was a bit... eclectic.

-d-
 
I've always wanted to know... was Kurt Cobain "normal" before he met and married Courtney Love ? before Kurt knew Courtney did Kurt take drugs (etc) ?

i've just started listening to Kurt's music, that's why i would like to know :-)
 
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