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Lady Gaga [Mega-Merged] Discussion Thread

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Re: Lady Gaga - Best New Artist???

The point is that Beyonce is not selling albums solely on her voice and her voice alone.
Well of course, and I haven't suggested anything contradictory to that. I said she has a wonderful voice.

That's not opinion, her voice is shrill. Her voice does not carry as much weight as a Maxwell, Luther, Jazmine Sullivan and even Lady Gaga. That's a physiological fact. Obviously, you do not have any understanding of what I am saying because this is not opinion-based.
Yes I understand what you're saying but you're throwing out opinions and then following up with comparisons as if that proves your opinion true, when it actually does not. 'Her voice is [thin/shrill],' is an opinion, plain and simple. 'Her voice doesn't carry as much weight as [so and so],' does not conclude that her voice is thin or shrill. Such a conclusion is an opinion and we disagree on it. You really don't know what an opinion is.

And Leona Lewis and Jennifer Hudson. Technically, they can outsing Beyonce, but that's another discussion. Anyway, that's an issue of the buying public, so unless the public wants to see more gifted singers, then there are always going to be mediocre singers or simply singers who cannot sing at all.
Well I haven't seen Leona Lewis perform any vocal feats that measure up to Beyonce's; and I know J-Hud can sing, but her voice isn't very pleasant sounding to my ears, so I don't know where this goes. J-Hud has more power than Beyonce, but Beyonce has a lot of power and the sound of her voice is great. I need to listen to Leona's vocals for myself before I can make a judgment.

Well, you have not seen enough of her performances. There are several videos of her singing, live. If she dances, she may not sing a few small parts, but she still sings the majority of her songs, but I guess you do not care to look at those videos. Even with your example, Poker Face, there have been several renditions where she has simply sat by a piano, played the arrangement and vocalized simultaneously.
That's fine, but nothing said here resolves the issue I hold concerning her "singing live several times." It still remains that what you and I consider singing live "several times" and sounding great in Gaga's case probably aren't the same.

Again, that's not true. She's been using the Lady Gaga gimmick long before she was famous.
Bologna. The name, yes; the crazy person gimmick, no.

:rolleyes:I am not going to say that the management team did not have anything to do with her image, at all. However, she is not a corporate puppet or even a stage child whose father pushed and pushed her into the spotlight and tells her what to sing, how to sing, and how to pop booty.
Lol, that's nonsense. Firstly, if Beyonce is a corporate puppet than Gaga is as well. Secondly, Mathew assists her in getting deals. She knows how to sing and pop her booty on her own.

It's not a matter of standards. She can dance and she can sing. Therein lies the problem. Everyone does not have to have the same level of abilities. If that were the case, then by my standards Beyonce cannot dance and sing as she is not nearly as powerful as top tier singers and her dancing is mediocre at best.

There's a reason so many people can do Single Ladies on youtube. Her dancing is not intricate whatsoever; a gyration into half-split is not intricate. Bending over while singing "Watch and Check Up on it not intricate." Doing an Crotch Flash, I'm sorry an Open Leg shot, while singing "I've Got A Big Ego" is not difficult or even intermediate.

You want to take it back? Putting a bunch of popular dances that were done in the clubs 80s and 90s and calling it intermediate is laughable. "Drop Down Low and Sweep the Flo' Wit' It."
Okay, she can dance and she can sing. She's a very basic dancer and a so-so singer, nonetheless, she can dance and sing.

Er, no, please don't even go there. 98% of the people performing the Single Ladies dance on Youtube look a hot mess doing it. There are about 3 or 4 good videos of people dancing to Single Ladies on Youtube, and even still, none of them manage to pull it off quite like it should be done. On another note, that a dance choreography can be reproduced properly by many others doesn't make that routine non-intricate or simple. The Single Ladies choreography is at least an intermediately intricate dance routine.

Long before the Lady Gaga gimmick, she was playing the piano. She studied at a top school, Julliard, and she's been playing since a young age anyway. Sorry, it's not a gimmick. Let the hate go.
Oh please, I carry no hate for the girl. Nowadays there are plenty of gimmicks that celebrities (in this case musicians) try to pull off. You can't fault me for being skeptical.

Obviously, it's about business as well. However, Beyonce is not hopping on every new artist who's coming out either. She's not collaborating with LMFAO or Jay Sean, yet.
Did you completely miss the point? It's not about getting with a new artist; it's about getting with the super hot popular thing that's getting everyone attention at the moment, and right now that's Gaga.
 
Re: Lady Gaga - Best New Artist???

Yes I understand what you're saying but you're throwing out opinions and then following up with comparisons as if that proves your opinion true, when it actually does not. 'Her voice is [thin/shrill],' is an opinion, plain and simple. 'Her voice doesn't carry as much weight as [so and so],' does not conclude that her voice is thin or shrill. Such a conclusion is an opinion and we disagree on it. You really don't know what an opinion is.

The reason examples are given is that those singers are singers who have thicker voices than the aforementioned Beyonce. Her voice is thin and it shows in her tone as well as her style of singing. There's a reason she rapidly execute melismatic vocalizations. People who have voices like an Aretha Franklin cannot do this because of the weight behind their voices.

Well I haven't seen Leona Lewis perform any vocal feats that measure up to Beyonce's; and I know J-Hud can sing, but her voice isn't very pleasant sounding to my ears, so I don't know where this goes. J-Hud has more power than Beyonce, but Beyonce has a lot of power and the sound of her voice is great. I need to listen to Leona's vocals for myself before I can make a judgment.

Well, I have. While the both of them share the same types of voices, Beyonce cannot touch Leona in notes or power. As far as Jennifer Hudson is concerned, that's fine if you do not like her voice, but her type of voice allows her to do difficult songs on level that Beyonce simply cannot, especially on a consistent basis. Beyonce is has some power; however, it's only enough to outsing mediocre singers, in that aspect.

That's fine, but nothing said here resolves the issue I hold concerning her "singing live several times." It still remains that what you and I consider singing live "several times" and sounding great in Gaga's case probably aren't the same.

There are videos above that have proof of her singing live, even before her current look. As I said before, it's clear that you simply want to ignore the proof. The only you can tell me is how you do not like Lady Gaga's voice; however, she's sung live. Everybody does not have to sing like Beyonce in order to sing.

Bologna. The name, yes; the crazy person gimmick, no.

She's been using the gimmick before she became popular as well. There's proof of that as well. She did not suddenly start using the gimmick in 2008. She was wearing the wigs and clothes before she became famous, at least in the U.S. anyway.

Lol, that's nonsense. Firstly, if Beyonce is a corporate puppet than Gaga is as well. Secondly, Mathew assists her in getting deals. She knows how to sing and pop her booty on her own.

So, you admit she pops her booty? Anyway, I should have made my point clearer. It's not as if Lady Gaga is some stage child whose father pushed her to be a star.

Okay, she can dance and she can sing. She's a very basic dancer and a so-so singer, nonetheless, she can dance and sing.

That was never a contention of mine. I would never, ever say that Beyonce is not talented. However, she is not untouchable in her dancing or singing. While she has proven her versatility as a singer, there are several females who can sing Beyonce's songs.

Er, no, please don't even go there. 98% of the people performing the Single Ladies dance on Youtube look a hot mess doing it. There are about 3 or 4 good videos of people dancing to Single Ladies on Youtube, and even still, none of them manage to pull it off quite like it should be done. On another note, that a dance choreography can be reproduced properly by many others doesn't make that routine non-intricate or simple. The Single Ladies choreography is at least an intermediately intricate dance routine.

You have never seen true dancers, have you? That's a far cry from intermediate. For example, a great deal of Ciara's routines are considered, by dancers, intermediate and she can clearly outdance Beyonce. That routine is simple and it was created to fit Beyonce's lack of ability in that area.


Did you completely miss the point? It's not about getting with a new artist; it's about getting with the super hot popular thing that's getting everyone attention at the moment, and right now that's Gaga.

I completely understand your point. However, my point remains that Beyonce is not trying to hop on every popular, attention-grabbing artist. The way Taylor Swift is selling and the constant airplay that Jay Sean is receiving should warrant a collaboration, no? That's great business right now. Just because they're not using a gimmick does not mean that they are not getting attention, in a different way.

The fault with your point is that Shakira was popular that year, but she was not the only person who had a major hit that year, even though it was one of the bigger hits. How do you explain your idea? Shakira was probably the hottest artist that year, and Beyonce decide to jump into her puss, because she knew that would be more money in her pocket at that time. However, the point I was making with LMFAO or Jay Sean is that they are hot right now, too. However, she is not trying to do tracks with them.
 
Re: Lady Gaga - Best New Artist???

Am I the only person who finds this visual just a little disturbing?

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Some sort of cryout for attention?

I dunno. :confused:
 
Re: Lady Gaga - Best New Artist???

The reason examples are given is that those singers are singers who have thicker voices than the aforementioned Beyonce. Her voice is thin and it shows in her tone as well as her style of singing. There's a reason she rapidly execute melismatic vocalizations. People who have voices like an Aretha Franklin cannot do this because of the weight behind their voices.
There's nothing more to be said here that hasn't already been said. You've said your piece and I've said mine.

Well, I have. While the both of them share the same types of voices, Beyonce cannot touch Leona in notes or power. As far as Jennifer Hudson is concerned, that's fine if you do not like her voice, but her type of voice allows her to do difficult songs on level that Beyonce simply cannot, especially on a consistent basis. Beyonce is has some power; however, it's only enough to outsing mediocre singers, in that aspect.
Same as my above comment. I say she's a fantastic singer, you say there are women who can outsing her. There's nothing more to be said here either.

There are videos above that have proof of her singing live, even before her current look. As I said before, it's clear that you simply want to ignore the proof. The only you can tell me is how you do not like Lady Gaga's voice; however, she's sung live. Everybody does not have to sing like Beyonce in order to sing.
I am talking about her career as a label-signed major worldwide musician. Everything changes when one nabs that achievement. You can sing live in performances as an inspiring musician, but then land a major record deal and never sing a live note in a performance again. So, while she may have sung live before becoming the Lady Gaga everyone knows, the status of her singing live since becoming that Gaga is drastically different. Most of her performances revolve around her entertaining rather than singing, and contain little singing, or "singing" in which she puts in little effort since that's not the point of the performance. Yes there are performances of her genuinely singing, but they're far and few between the others.

She's been using the gimmick before she became popular as well. There's proof of that as well. She did not suddenly start using the gimmick in 2008. She was wearing the wigs and clothes before she became famous, at least in the U.S. anyway.
Bologna. Well then prove it to shut me up about this point already. Show me crazy person Gaga prior to the current Gaga.

So, you admit she pops her booty? Anyway, I should have made my point clearer. It's not as if Lady Gaga is some stage child whose father pushed her to be a star.
Of course I admit she pops her booty. :rolleyes: She does that all the time. I'm not ashamed to admit that. But Mathew didn't push her into Hollywood; Beyonce wanted to be a star, and had the talent to succeed. Mathew put in a huge amount of work to help her succeed. Yeah, Mathew is such a bad person for helping his daughter's dream come true. :rolleyes:

That was never a contention of mine. I would never, ever say that Beyonce is not talented. However, she is not untouchable in her dancing or singing. While she has proven her versatility as a singer, there are several females who can sing Beyonce's songs.
And what? She doesn't have to be untouchable in singing or dancing. She's not the best in either category, but she's a wonderful singer and a great dancer. That's why she's so special. Many folks can only do one of the two. Celine Dion is a singer and not a dancer; Ciara is a dancer and not a singer. Beyonce is a singer and a dancer.

You have never seen true dancers, have you? That's a far cry from intermediate. For example, a great deal of Ciara's routines are considered, by dancers, intermediate and she can clearly outdance Beyonce. That routine is simple and it was created to fit Beyonce's lack of ability in that area.
True dancer? A "true" dancer? Doesn't that term go against what you've emphasized in previous posts? If I sat here and said that Lady Gaga is not a "real/true" singer, what would you say in response? Anyway, Ciara's dance routines are intermediate, more on the higher end though. Single Ladies is intermediate as well, but more near the middle; it isn't a simple dance routine. Lady Gaga's Bad Romance choreography is an example of a simple dance routine, not Single Ladies.

I completely understand your point. However, my point remains that Beyonce is not trying to hop on every popular, attention-grabbing artist. The way Taylor Swift is selling and the constant airplay that Jay Sean is receiving should warrant a collaboration, no? That's great business right now. Just because they're not using a gimmick does not mean that they are not getting attention, in a different way.

The fault with your point is that Shakira was popular that year, but she was not the only person who had a major hit that year, even though it was one of the bigger hits. How do you explain your idea? Shakira was probably the hottest artist that year, and Beyonce decide to jump into her puss, because she knew that would be more money in her pocket at that time. However, the point I was making with LMFAO or Jay Sean is that they are hot right now, too. However, she is not trying to do tracks with them.
You must be kidding with this comment. Who is competing with Gaga right now in terms of popularity (other than Beyonce, who has her well beat)? No one. Jay Sean? Who the fuck is that? That down, down, down, down, down guy? That song is popular right now. That man is WELL below Gaga in terms of popularity. It's not about a popular song when it comes to this, it's about a popular artist who's getting and keeping attention. That's why Beyonce is just now doing a collab with her. Lady Gaga herself and her songs are hella popular, not one song. Taylor Swift? No. Plus, she's too young to collaborate with Beyonce. She's like what, 16? 17? Too young. Beyonce would look nuts partnering up with a kid. That, and Taylor's demographic is far younger folks that Beyonce's. That, and Beyonce image is too adult at times for Taylor Swift. Have you seen the Video Phone music vid? That, and Beyonce is not really one who collaborates that often. She can't hop in everyone lap because she (regarding her solo career) has an independent, one-woman powerhouse image to keep up, so she collaborates every blue moon with someone who is getting all the attention at the moment. And who the hell is LMFAO? :confused: No, really? That's probably why she's not with them.
 
Re: Lady Gaga - Best New Artist???

Wait, wait, wait. I thought you were supposed to be done?

I am talking about her career as a label-signed major worldwide musician. Everything changes when one nabs that achievement. You can sing live in performances as an inspiring musician, but then land a major record deal and never sing a live note in a performance again.

It's nice to know that there are so many inspiring musicians out there. However, there are also aspiring musicians as well. However, she still sings live and you ignore it. I could fill a whole thread with videos of Gaga singing live, whether it's just her or she has full performance, within the year. As I said earlier, you're just ignoring the fact, because you simply carry disdain for Gaga's abilities.

So, while she may have sung live before becoming the Lady Gaga everyone knows, the status of her singing live since becoming that Gaga is drastically different. Most of her performances revolve around her entertaining rather than singing, and contain little singing, or "singing" in which she puts in little effort since that's not the point of the performance. Yes there are performances of her genuinely singing, but they're far and few between the others.

Again, wrong. See the statement above. She sings and plays the piano more than she dances; when she dances, it's very light so that she can sing.

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This photo is from 2007. Which is also the same year that Christina Aguilera was accused of stealing her style from Lady Gaga.

Of course I admit she pops her booty. :rolleyes: She does that all the time. I'm not ashamed to admit that. But Mathew didn't push her into Hollywood; Beyonce wanted to be a star, and had the talent to succeed. Mathew put in a huge amount of work to help her succeed. Yeah, Mathew is such a bad person for helping his daughter's dream come true. :rolleyes:

There are plenty of other people, even in Destiny's Child, who had talent and possess double and triple threat abilties, at the very least. She succeeded because she's Matthew Knowles' daughter. She succeeded with public because she has mainstream appeal and she was the only one who was promoted by Matthew Knowles, even before the split. She's also succeeded with the public because she's stolen so many ideas from other artists and her music is bland (see non-threatening).

And what? She doesn't have to be untouchable in singing or dancing. She's not the best in either category, but she's a wonderful singer and a great dancer. That's why she's so special. Many folks can only do one of the two. Celine Dion is a singer and not a dancer; Ciara is a dancer and not a singer. Beyonce is a singer and a dancer.

Again, there are plenty of other people who can sing and can dance. There a plenty of people in New York theatres right now who are triple threats. Some of them have had aspirations to pursue music careers as artists; however, despite all their talent, record labels have offered them any contracts. How do I know this? I've worked with them.

True dancer? A "true" dancer? Doesn't that term go against what you've emphasized in previous posts?

No, it actually does not. There's a difference between saying she cannot dance, like you say about Lady Gaga's singing, and saying she's not a true dancer. It's clear that without her choreographers, she would be lost. She does not spend several hours at dance studios, focusing on learning different styles of dance.

What Beyonce's team does is A) Take once popular dances and puts them together, B) Resorts to Booty Popping, Gyrations, Dropping C) Basic one-two steps that anyone with rhythm could learn.

Here are some videos of Gaga's singing, since she's become famous since you cannot seem to find them...

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcM1MSkWVs[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld4vhNfwAXw[/ame]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg3CtY2e7bk[/ame]

I can keep going you know.
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

She's amazing, every performance is really artistic and different. There is always a concept and something to look forward to when she is performing. I love it, she definitely not like anyone else. Work!
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

Luuuurrrvv It!
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

Seriously OTT, but I can't deny she has a good voice.
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

I want to be her!!
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

Ugh! Looooove herrrrrr!
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

whoa.... to do just that in front of a monarch. very daring and brave GaGa.
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

...what song did she sing? :).....*imagines the Queen dancing to Bad Romance :)
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

Haha...that's actually pretty cool. ..|
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

That's AWESOME!! I LOVE her! Shes a fantastic singer and a very unique person and performer. She's a breathe of fresh air for the music industry.
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

Lady Gaga is a magical, otherworldy creature.
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

^hopefully not blackface :lol:

but seriously...what do you think she would wear to such a meeting? :D
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

That's pretty feakin' epic.
 
Re: GaGa dresses as Elizabeth I to meet Queen and suspends herself from ceiling

Fuck her and all the gays that support her FAKE ass.
 
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