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hotatlboi said:
Probably because it's so nonsensical. :lol:

It seems obvious to me that the "and" is meaning that both forms are not allowed. Saying it is not the right word is a dumb semantic argument that ignores the obviously implied meaning.
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No different than the Second Amendment, which has two very different (and arguably valid) interpretations, due to somewhat imprecise wording there as well...
 
swerve said:
Having said that -- I've heard a GRUESOME theory about quickly killing the criminal in the SAME MANNER in which he killed the victims -- it might actually WORK as a deterrent. :lol: (although I'm not sure if ANYONE is sadistic enough to carry out the actual death sentence)...

:):):)
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I bet I could easily find you enough people to kill the Tucson shooter with as many bullets as he fired at others, one at a time.

BostonPirate said:
I had my say and you had yours...lol

You want 31 reasons? google it. Thanks for playing and answering my post though....|
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You make an assertion, you should be ready to back it up.


Personally, I say bring back hanging or the guillotine. But the death penalty as applied by the state should require multiple witnesses, and especially heinous crime, and only if asked for by the victims or their survivors.
 
Kulindahr said:
You make an assertion, you should be ready to back it up.
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yeah? ok. so you command it, so it will be done oh great and mighty kuli.....


There are many things that can get you the death penalty in just as many states that use it.
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  1. Intentional murder with 18 aggravating factors (Ala. Stat. Ann. 13A-5-40(a)(1)-(18)).
  2. First-degree murder accompanied by at least 1 of 14 aggravating factors (A.R.S. § 13-703(F)).
  3. Capital murder (Ark. Code Ann. 5-10-101) with a finding of at least 1 of 10 aggravating circumstances.
  4. Treason
  5. First-degree murder with special circumstances
  6. sabotage
  7. train wrecking causing death
  8. perjury causing execution of an innocent person
  9. fatal assault by a prisoner serving a life sentence
  10. First-degree murder with at least 1 of 17 aggravating factors
  11. first-degree kidnapping resulting in death
  12. Capital felony with 8 forms of aggravated homicide (C.G.S. § 53a-54b).
  13. First-degree murder with at least 1 statutory aggravating circumstance (11 Del. C. § 4209)
  14. capital drug trafficking
  15. capital sexual battery
  16. kidnapping with bodily injury or ransom when the victim dies
  17. aircraft hijacking
  18. perjury resulting in death
  19. First-degree murder with 1 of 21 aggravating circumstances (720 Ill. Comp. Stat. 5/9-1).
  20. Murder with 16 aggravating circumstances (IC 35-50-2-9).
  21. Capital murder with 8 aggravating circumstances (KSA 21-3439, KSA 21-4625, KSA 21-4636).
  22. aircraft piracy (Miss. Code Ann. § 97-25-55(1)).
  23. aggravated sexual intercourse without consent (Mont. Code Ann. § 45-5-503).
  24. Capital murder with 1 of 9 aggravating circumstances (Mont. Code Ann. § 46-18-303)
  25. Murder committed in the course of rape, kidnapping, or drug crimes
  26. killing of a law enforcement officer
  27. murder for hire
  28. First-degree murder with 1 of 13 aggravating factors (NY Penal Law §125.27).
  29. sex crimes against a child under 14 years of age.
  30. sexual abuse of a minor
  31. arson
  32. robbery
  33. escape
  34. resisting arrest
  35. abuse of a minor under 16

listed by state....


Alabama - Intentional murder with 18 aggravating factors (Ala. Stat. Ann. 13A-5-40(a)(1)-(18)).

Arizona - First-degree murder accompanied by at least 1 of 14 aggravating factors (A.R.S. § 13-703(F)).

Arkansas - Capital murder (Ark. Code Ann. 5-10-101) with a finding of at least 1 of 10 aggravating circumstances; treason.

California - First-degree murder with special circumstances; sabotage; train wrecking causing death; treason; perjury causing execution of an innocent person; fatal assault by a prisoner serving a life sentence.

Colorado - First-degree murder with at least 1 of 17 aggravating factors; first-degree kidnapping resulting in death; treason.

Connecticut - Capital felony with 8 forms of aggravated homicide (C.G.S. § 53a-54b).

Delaware - First-degree murder with at least 1 statutory aggravating circumstance (11 Del. C. § 4209).

Florida - First-degree murder; felony murder; capital drug trafficking; capital sexual battery.

Georgia - Murder; kidnapping with bodily injury or ransom when the victim dies; aircraft hijacking; treason.

Idaho - First-degree murder with aggravating factors; first-degree kidnapping; perjury resulting in death.

Illinois - First-degree murder with 1 of 21 aggravating circumstances (720 Ill. Comp. Stat. 5/9-1).

Indiana - Murder with 16 aggravating circumstances (IC 35-50-2-9).

Kansas - Capital murder with 8 aggravating circumstances (KSA 21-3439, KSA 21-4625, KSA 21-4636).

Kentucky - Murder with aggravating factors; kidnapping with aggravating factors (KRS 532.025).

Louisiana - First-degree murder; treason (La. R.S. 14:30 and 14:113).

Maryland - First-degree murder, either premeditated or during the commission of a felony, provided that certain death eligibility requirements are satisfied.

Mississippi - Capital murder (Miss. Code Ann. § 97-3-19(2)); aircraft piracy (Miss. Code Ann. § 97-25-55(1)).

Missouri - First-degree murder (565.020 RSMO 2000).

Montana - Capital murder with 1 of 9 aggravating circumstances (Mont. Code Ann. § 46-18-303); aggravated sexual intercourse without consent (Mont. Code Ann. § 45-5-503).

Nebraska - First-degree murder with a finding of at least 1 statutorily-defined aggravating circumstance.

Nevada - First-degree murder with at least 1 of 15 aggravating circumstances (NRS 200.030, 200.033, 200.035).

New Hampshire - Murder committed in the course of rape, kidnapping, or drug crimes; killing of a law enforcement officer; murder for hire; murder by an inmate while serving a sentence of life without parole (RSA 630:1, RSA 630:5).

New Mexico - First-degree murder with at least 1 of 7 statutorily-defined aggravating circumstances (Section 30-2-1 A, NMSA).

New York - First-degree murder with 1 of 13 aggravating factors (NY Penal Law §125.27).

North Carolina - First-degree murder (NCGS §14-17).

Ohio - Aggravated murder with at least 1 of 10 aggravating circumstances (O.R.C. secs. 2903.01, 2929.02, and 2929.04).

Oklahoma - First-degree murder in conjunction with a finding of at least 1 of 8 statutorily-defined aggravating circumstances; sex crimes against a child under 14 years of age.

Oregon - Aggravated murder (ORS 163.095).

Pennsylvania - First-degree murder with 18 aggravating circumstances.

South Carolina - Murder with 1 of 12 aggravating circumstances (§ 16-3-20(C)(a))

South Dakota - First-degree murder with 1 of 10 aggravating circumstances.

Revision: Revised the code ~of criminal procedure. Changes included establishing procedures to be
used by circuit judges in determining whether to stop an execution because the inmate is mentally
incompetent (SDCL § 23A-27A-22) and clarifying that persons carrying out executions are immune
from civil and/or criminal liability (SDCL § 23A-27A-31.2), effective 7/1/2008.

Tennessee - First-degree murder with 1 of 15 aggravating circumstances (Tenn. Code Ann. § 39-13-204).

Texas - Criminal homicide with 1 of 9 aggravating circumstances (Tex. Penal Code § 19.03).

Utah - Aggravated murder (76-5-202, Utah Code Annotated).

Revision: Amended the criminal code to allow aggravating circumstances to be treated as separate acts from the capital offense which can be prosecuted as a separate offense (Utah Code Ann. § 76-5-202), effective 2/26/08.

Virginia - First-degree murder with 1 of 15 aggravating circumstances (VA Code § 18.2-31).

Washington - Aggravated first-degree murder.

Wyoming - First-degree murder; murder during the commission of sexual assault, sexual abuse of a minor, arson, robbery, escape, resisting arrest, kidnapping, or abuse of a minor under 16.
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/crimes-punishable-death-penalty

the point I was trying to make is that each state writes its own laws on capital punishment.
 
hotatlboi said:
Also false. An implication can be obvious.
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Stop reaching. They're just a shade away from being polar opposites.

Implied–adjective
involved, indicated, or suggested without being directly or explicitly stated; tacitly understood:

Obvious–adjective
1.
easily seen, recognized, or understood; open to view or knowledge; evident:
2.
lacking in subtlety.
 
jackoroe said:
Stop reaching.
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I'm not reaching. You are failing at understanding.


jackoroe said:
They're just a shade away from being polar opposites.

Implied–adjective
involved, indicated, or suggested without being directly or explicitly stated; tacitly understood:

Obvious–adjective
1.
easily seen, recognized, or understood; open to view or knowledge; evident:
2.
lacking in subtlety.
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No they are not. One has to do with something not being explicitly stated but inferred from other information. Such an inference can be obvious or difficult.

Example: If I tell you that I make $500k a year, then it would be an obvious implication to you that I am not a homeless street beggar. I may have not specifically told you that I am not on a homeless street beggar, so unless you knew me personally you could not be completely sure I was not. But that is an obvious inference you can make based on the other information that is available to you.
 
Kulindahr said:
^
Or the sex crimes thing in Oklahoma. If their laws are like many places, that could get you a death sentence for taking a leak where a little kid happened to see......
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and that begs a point for the thread...

Is it cruel and unusual to inject someone fatally for taking a piss in public?
 
Referring back to the list of states, the Illinois entry is pending. Former Governor Ryan suspended the death penalty several years ago because it was proven by some persevering law students at Northwestern University that there are convicts on death row that are innocent. Reasons? DNA evidence, perjuring witnesses, you name it. In any event, there is a bill that was approved by both Illinois houses to permanently discontinue the death penalty. It's on Gov. Quinn's desk ready to be signed. :=D:
 
chrisrobin said:
Referring back to the list of states, the Illinois entry is pending. Former Governor Ryan suspended the death penalty several years ago because it was proven by some persevering law students at Northwestern University that there are convicts on death row that are innocent. Reasons? DNA evidence, perjuring witnesses, you name it. In any event, there is a bill that was approved by both Illinois houses to permanently discontinue the death penalty. It's on Gov. Quinn's desk ready to be signed. :=D:
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Something going on there is the failure of a principle the Founding Fathers took for granted: that it's better for a hundred (or a thousand) guilty to walk free than one innocent to be punished.

Personally I think that any time an innocent person is punished, the DA on the case should be tarred and feathered and pilloried, the officers who arrested the innocent person should be busted back to new recruits, and perjuring witnesses.... okay, that would be cruel and unusual, so I'd send them to replace the innocent person in prison and remain there for as long as the wrongly convicted person did.
 
chrisrobin said:
Referring back to the list of states, the Illinois entry is pending. Former Governor Ryan suspended the death penalty several years ago because it was proven by some persevering law students at Northwestern University that there are convicts on death row that are innocent. Reasons? DNA evidence, perjuring witnesses, you name it. In any event, there is a bill that was approved by both Illinois houses to permanently discontinue the death penalty. It's on Gov. Quinn's desk ready to be signed. :=D:
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I think there have been a few death sentences suspended due to DNA evidence proving that executed people could not have done the crime they are accused of.

Its interesting and it will go to the supreme court, IMO...

They will have to decide if science trumps a decision made by a unanimous jury of peers.

what a concept.
 
chrisrobin said:
Referring back to the list of states, the Illinois entry is pending. Former Governor Ryan suspended the death penalty several years ago because it was proven by some persevering law students at Northwestern University that there are convicts on death row that are innocent. Reasons? DNA evidence, perjuring witnesses, you name it. In any event, there is a bill that was approved by both Illinois houses to permanently discontinue the death penalty. It's on Gov. Quinn's desk ready to be signed. :=D:
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Illinois has discovered 20 wrongly-convicted inmates on death row since 1987.

That's almost one a year!
 
BP, your list is incorrect because it has a death penalty offense for New York. The state's highest court struck down that law, so New York does not have the death penalty for any offenses.
 
This is fantastic news. I'm sure it was not just "overseas pressure," but an awareness of potential liability should their products be used in a case of wrongful conviction. All the same: Yaaay, Overseas!!!!
 
I have always been very disturbed by the death penalty and the people that carry it out. The only real difference between the people executed and the guards etc that do it is that the criminals are usually sorry for what they have done. Even the jurors are asked if they would be able to sentence someone to death as part of the screening process for jury selection on capital cases; doesn't that also make them killers. People usually say things such as, "What if it were your loved one who was murdered, wouldn't you want that person dead?" Sure I would, but that desire for revenge should not be something carried out by state. Guess I'm sort of just rambling here but I wanted to share my thoughts.
 
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