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Hey guys. I posted a thread on here a few years ago about me and my first bf breaking up. A lot of the advice helped, but one person said, "stay friends, and maybe you'll find your way back to each other eventually," and I never forgot that piece of advice.

It's so weird. It almost feels like after our big dramatic break up, a "new" relationship started - one where we are friends, sometimes lovers, always there for each other, like family.

Here is a quick run down.

We got together in March 2009. I was 20/21 and he was 17/18. We were together for a year. Very extremely in love, typical first love kind of thing. Extremely passionate. I told a friend once that I "love him so much it scares me". I felt - and still feel - like no one knows me better, and same for him - we have absolute trust in each other. But he was very young (and so was I) and we had our problems. After about a year, we broke up... we admitted we still loved each other, but we just weren't in the same places, and he really felt like he needed to be single and to grow. There was this feeling like, if we wanted to, we could have probably stayed together and been together a very long time and ''settled down'', but I don't think we were ready for that. It's almost like we found a really good match at too young an age.

So we broke up. I was devastated, of course, I felt like someone ripped my heart out of me, I didn't eat for days, was depressed for months, the whole deal. Eventually I got better though. We stopped talking for a few months, but by the end of the summer ended up hooking up once or twice, while becoming friends again. In the fall, it almost seemed like we were getting back together, but instead we just ended up staying friends.

Then he got a boyfriend. We stopped talking as much. I was fine. I was dating people and just went on with my life. Some months go by, him and his bf break up. Me and the guy I'm seeing break up. The first-love and I have sex again, and again, etc, hanging out, but not back together. Then the summer comes - this was last summer. Our friendship continues to grow and we start acting like a couple around each other again. When I was sick, he'd come to take care of me, and same for him. We'd still spend the night with each other sometimes. The sex still passionate. Around that time I wanted him back, but he'd still say no, for reasons I couldn't understand.

Then the fall comes. We continue being friends. Around November, I start seeing someone I really like. It only lasts a few weeks and I'm very hurt by all of the deception. The first-love comforts me. He complains about how I get so many dates, but he doesn't get any, and that no one thinks he's beautiful - it broke my heart to hear him say that, and I promptly reminded him that I think he's beautiful and it's never enough. While I'm getting over my most recent romance, him and I grow even closer. We start acting boyfriend-y again - I called him one of our old "pet names", we slip up and call each other "babe" and neither of us minded.

In the spring, I find out I got accepted to graduate school in another city - a goal I had since 3 years ago, one he felt he could never stay with me long-term because of ("different places"). We go out for drinks the night after I find out I got accepted. For the first time in a while, we make love. He grabbed my face, looked me in the eyes, and said "...tell me you love me" so I said it, of course. Then he kissed me and said it back. For the first time in years (barring a discussion about "i love you as a friend" to which he said "of course i still love you, dummy").

He confesses to me the next morning that me telling him I'm moving to another city made him realize how much he still loves me. My first reaction is that that is totally fucked up - since he was neglectful in the relationship too, one of the main problems always being that I felt like he didn't value me. But on the other hand, I was just glad he realized it. So then we go through the motions - should you come with me? No, that's impossible. Should we get married? No, we're way too young for that. Should I stay here? No, that's not right. So we decided that we would just continue to be friends and see where we are in a few years.

We had a discussion about how complicated that decision is, how flawed it is. He admitted to me that he thinks there is a "good chance" that we'll "probably" end up together. But that we can't speed up time. My whole problem with all of this is that, I think it's kind of awkward for us to be seeing other people, and falling in love with other people, when we still have a major attachment to each other. It makes me wonder, if we end up with other people, isn't that kind of strange - like we're only with that person because of better timing?

About two weeks after all of these conversations, he gets into a relationship with this new guy. The guy doesn't threaten me at all, and first-love swears it's not a rebound - I'm not so convinced. We still hang out, still talk, still have our "thing", our back-and-forth like a married couple. I have slept with him once since he got with the new guy, which we both felt bad about, but we also felt like our thing goes so far back that it's not even on the same page.

So, it puts me in such an awkward place. I'm now recently 24, he's 20. I'm not ready to settle down either, but I'm over the fun of hooking up and short romances (for the most part). Same for him (for now, I guess). We know each other inside out, we fight like a married couple, and I even love the things I can't stand about him. I love arguing with him, because it usually ends in some kind of sarcasm and laughter. I love the sound of his laughter. He drives me nuts a lot of the time, but in this way I can handle. I don't feel like I'm "in love" with him, in that cloud-nine kind of way, but something much more mature than that. All of this is mutual, I think - he puts up with all of my neuroticness, my quirks, but still loves me - just in a passive kind of way. He knows I love him unconditionally but rarely surrenders to it. We have this chemistry together that people around us say they can sense it.

I don't know what to do. I'm moving to another city 6 hours away. He doesn't have the experience or the money to come with me. And I really miss being in love, not just with him, but in general, I miss being loved. I miss those moments. I miss the safety of it, and the thrill too. So I know I'll date other people, and maybe fall in love with someone else too. But if first-love and I were any older, we would probably be shacking up together. He's going to come visit me too, and we're going to stay in touch and stay close. But it's hard. I don't know if we are doing the right thing, or if we should just admit we love each other and shouldn't pass it up because we're young or life or whatever. Or if we really could stay in each other's lives until we both find ourselves at an appropriate age to really commit to someone. I know love isn't a practical thing. But life is forcing us to be practical...so, what do you do when you have that "thing" with someone but you're too young or not in the same place (physically or emotionally) to act on it??
 
If this were the "real thing" I don't think either of you would have a conflict about knowing what to do. When you know you have found what you want, you do whatever it takes to hold on to it. Both of you seem to be doing anything but. Move on with your lives. maybe things will be different at a later time. Best of luck to both.
 
If this were the "real thing" I don't think either of you would have a conflict about knowing what to do. When you know you have found what you want, you do whatever it takes to hold on to it. Both of you seem to be doing anything but. Move on with your lives. maybe things will be different at a later time. Best of luck to both.

Thanks. How old are you, though? That sounds incredibly simplistic. I think the point is that we are both too young to know if it's the real thing - that is, we're pretty sure it is, but we don't know what to do about it. And I've asked him - is it that you aren't sure I'm the one you want to be with forever, and that's why you want to take more time to see later on? To see if someone else better comes along by then? And he says that's not it, and I agree. It's more about experience, like we're just not ready for that yet. Even if it was with someone else. It might be more him than me - he even offered to come to the new city with me, but that we wouldn't be together at first. I said flat out fuck no to that. I don't get why he wants to keep what we have going, even as far as offering to come with me, but not be together. He said "would you want to be in a committed relationship as soon as you get to new york?" and I said no.. but... only because I know he wouldn't either. I think he has some commitment issues and just wants to have a string of relationships before he can be settled down.
 
You're holding onto an idea of love and romanticizing about its tragic nature of it never working out. The two of you had your chance, it didn't work out, and you've been dating and forming relationships with other people. Either you are together or you're not. You need to develop a platonic friendship, or this is all going to eventually go downhill where someone gets hurt. You've already put him into a position of cheating. I think a break from his communication and affections will be good for you to really move on and date someone seriously. If you miss being in love, be in love with someone who wants to be with you in the city you live in.
 
You're holding onto an idea of love and romanticizing about its tragic nature of it never working out. The two of you had your chance, it didn't work out, and you've been dating and forming relationships with other people. Either you are together or you're not. You need to develop a platonic friendship, or this is all going to eventually go downhill where someone gets hurt. You've already put him into a position of cheating. I think a break from his communication and affections will be good for you to really move on and date someone seriously. If you miss being in love, be in love with someone who wants to be with you in the city you live in.

Whoa, you are making a ton of assumptions and coming off as super judgmental and inexperienced. First of all, I'm not romanticizing shit. Second, I didn't put him in a position of cheating - he made the first move, he provoked it. "Either you are together or you're not" - hello, this is the real world talking - things don't always work out that way, dude. Get real. "You need to develop a platonic friendship" - uh, we have. We have been boyfriends, friends, lovers, all of the above. No one is going to get hurt because neither of us have put our cards on the table, neither of us "count" on each other, or have full faith that we'll get back together - we just acknowledge the possibility. I agree that dating someone else seriously would be good for me, however I do want to say I have dated other people seriously, it's just never worked out as long as it has with this guy - which is part of the reason we get on so well with each other, is that we've seen every fucking side to each other and neither of us phased by any of it. I think you are making so many assumptions - "be in love with someone who wants to be with you in the city you live in" - we haven't told each other we don't want to be with each other. He told me he doesn't want to get back together with me because we would basically be getting married. So we don't want to get back together RIGHT NOW because he's fucking 20 and I'm 24. He said if we get back together, in the future, it'll be for good - because he doesn't wanna get back together and then go through another break up with me.

Confused - I agree... I've told him that I'm scared of us getting with other people and then regretting it later on, if we're both wondering what could happen. I think what I'm going to do is go to NY, explore things with other people, let him know I do miss him, he said he'll come visit. But I'll see what happens with him and his new "boyfriend" (they seem to have all the passion of drying paint - doesn't fool me in the least). And after some time I'll see how he is acting towards my absence, I guess, and if I can tell it's driving him crazy, we might have to come up with a way to work it out. But the thing is, he has too much pride, he won't even budge and admit something like he doesn't want me to leave - he won't act sad about it at all, won't tell me not to go, because he wants me to go and do all the stuff I want to do in terms of my academic/artistic career.
 
You're sounding very defensive. I also think you are over-romanticizing. Cheating is cheating, you can justify it in any way you want, but he still abandoned the trust someone else placed in him. Just like (if memory serves) he took you for granted. You are not 50 either, you're still very young yourself, he's little more than a kid.

Frankly it sounds like what he figured out was that his permanent support system was going away and that freaked him.

Do you two love each other? We don't know. Are you somehow "star crossed" hell no. No one is star crossed - and this comes from someone who started at 19 with the guy I ended up with at 35 after a decade and a half of decadence and other people. The attraction between us was always there, and we finally hit the same place at the same time - dumb luck, not fate, it could have just as easily gone the other way.

It's a good thing you are moving away, this guy needs to be on his own without you as a security blanket.
 
Saymyname, this is a no-flame zone, and I am not trying to come off as "super judgmental." I took the time to seriously address your concerns and have more experience than you think. Insulting me on an advice forum is not a good way to respond to others who are trying to help.

As to your response, again, you are listing all of these reasons why you can't be together, but then all these reasons why you should be together. It's not a platonic friendship when you are still emotionally and physically attached to each other (banging each other while he has a boyfriend is not platonic). I don't believe age is an excuse not to be with him when you've already established this intimately lasting connection with him. The purpose of your thread was to ask advice about what to do in this situation. My advice is to distance yourself from this pseudo-relationship. To criticize your ex's current relationship as "watching paint dry" shows an invested interest of belittling any other guys in comparison to your affections and history with him. Moving to this city will be good for you. Talking to him less will be good for you. Dating someone with the intention of wanting to "feel that love again" will be good for you.
 
The thread is about finding a successful career first and love later.
If you don't have a successful career (income) to support yourself love is not possible.
 
You're holding onto an idea of love and romanticizing about its tragic nature of it never working out. The two of you had your chance, it didn't work out, and you've been dating and forming relationships with other people. Either you are together or you're not. You need to develop a platonic friendship, or this is all going to eventually go downhill where someone gets hurt. You've already put him into a position of cheating. I think a break from his communication and affections will be good for you to really move on and date someone seriously. If you miss being in love, be in love with someone who wants to be with you in the city you live in.

Saymyname, this is a no-flame zone, and I am not trying to come off as "super judgmental." I took the time to seriously address your concerns and have more experience than you think. Insulting me on an advice forum is not a good way to respond to others who are trying to help.

As to your response, again, you are listing all of these reasons why you can't be together, but then all these reasons why you should be together. It's not a platonic friendship when you are still emotionally and physically attached to each other (banging each other while he has a boyfriend is not platonic). I don't believe age is an excuse not to be with him when you've already established this intimately lasting connection with him. The purpose of your thread was to ask advice about what to do in this situation. My advice is to distance yourself from this pseudo-relationship. To criticize your ex's current relationship as "watching paint dry" shows an invested interest of belittling any other guys in comparison to your affections and history with him. Moving to this city will be good for you. Talking to him less will be good for you. Dating someone with the intention of wanting to "feel that love again" will be good for you.

I couldn't agree with you more. Well said.
 
I see saymyname hasn't changed. Reacting so defensively to people who have been there and done that and are only trying to help.

Either you are friends or you're in a relationship. Sometimes you need to just deal with the initial pain and cut the cord for good. And maybe you'll come back to each other at a future date. Everything you described sounds very messy and unproductive.

Oh give me a break, I reacted defensively because the post was slightly demeaning with the whole "romanticizing" bit. I wasn't asking people for advice on if we love each other or not (I already know the answer to that) - the question at hand was "what do you do when you have that "thing" with someone but you're too young or not in the same place (physically or emotionally) to act on it??" which telling me that I'm romanticizing things, or that things are black or white, doesn't help. Things aren't always back or white. If you've "been there" you would not that it's not always as cut and dry as "either you're friends or in a relationship".

The kind of thing TX-Beau said is what is resonating, and that's the kind of thing that I'm asking about - not moral judgment calls or questioning of the authenticity of things. What I'm trying to get at, TX, is that if you guys knew each other since 19, but only ended up together at 35, what did you do with your feeling for each other in the mean time? I assume you still occasionally saw each other throughout that decade+? How did you come to the decision to finally be together, and how did you handle the prospect of it when you would discuss it when you were both younger and not quite ready? And I think you are right about the permanent support system part.

Just Believe - the part I don't get about your advice, I guess, is that you are talking about as if we are breaking up or something. It just doesn't feel accurate, it doesn't translate. My question was "what do you do when you have that "thing" with someone but you're too young or not in the same place (physically or emotionally) to act on it??" - your advice is to distant myself, that's fine advice, but you're not really suggesting anything about how to reconcile the situation or make a decision in the future... are you suggesting being platonic so that the situation isn't as intense and then people decide if they want to be more than friends again later on? I appreciate your attempt to help but it's coming from this very black and white, binary-oriented view of relationships. Can you relate to that? Not everyone who has been involved with someone is either "friends" or "in a relationship" with that person... sometimes people are just "lovers" or ''open'' and they have a back and forth with each other. You said, "if you want to be in love, be in love with someone who wants to be with you in the city you live in" - the part I'm trying to get at is that we have both expressed the desire to get back together - however - we don't want to do so *right now* because then that would be IT, and he doesn't want us to settle down too fast and then go through another break up. He wants it to be that if we do someday get back together, it's a commitment, so what im trying to figure out is how those kinds of things happen. Cause i think what happens in reality is that people meet other people during that time, and that scares me a bit.

Telstra - that's true, that's a good point... I agree with you about the career part - unfortunately my career isn't necessarily going to make a lot of money, but the moving and graduate school is something i have to do if i want to get where i'm going, regardless of if money will come from it or not. The question is how do people negotiate the future possibilities between them when these kinds of things happen - without losing each other to other people in the mean time.

also, sorry to anyone i offended with my previous post - i didn't mean to be rude, i just took some offense to the romanticizing bit, when what i am trying to do is figure out practical ways of dealing with a romantically complicated situation. but I'm not "projecting" anything onto the situation, that's all.
 
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