LOST - parts that make you cry. *

[shampoomeyou]

so the nature of this thread started with parts that make you cry... although i didnt cry its pretty heartwarming :

for me it was probably in Season 1 second last episode when the dog Vincent swims out to catch the boat when Walt is leaving...

 

[scains]

Yes, that's how it started. And now look at it!

Oh, that bit always makes me cry too - poor dog. I can't believe I forgot that one!

And hello!

 

[Spiff]

Yes, that's how it started. And now look at it!

There's been an "official" Lost thread every past season. But they somehow weren't as active. This thread evolved into an official season 5 thread; good enough for me.

 

[Ekim23]

works for me too
and I like the people posting here too

 

[JOHN B]

Hey Doughboy----I'm not going to quote or repost your entire theory, but I disagree with part of it. If you are basing it on Lost, then your theory about only being able to travel to points after your birth, is wrong. Hurley (Hugo) is probably at the most 25 years old. But they are now back in time over thirty years in the past. And even during the time jumps, Sayer and the gang went back to the 1950's.

On a personal note TOTALLY unrelated to LOST's definition of time travel:----- I myself feel that you could ONLY travel to the past (if time travel were possible) not the future, since it has not happened yet. Picture the white trail left high in the sky when looking at a plane flying by. See how one end is slowly breaking up, while the other end is still tightly knit. THAT is "time", ....only backwards. The tightly knit part is the present, the drifting apart end is the future. (basically take a video of a planes smoke trail.....then run it backwards.)
But in traveling to the past, you end up diverting from the original time line by just going to the past. Hence, alternate universes/time lines. Picture a tree with all of its many branches.....all ending upwards at the exact same point. THAT is time and it's many possibilities. When you go back in time, then come back, you come back to the timeline you just created by GOING back. In this time line you hop into your time machine, disappear.....then....thats it. You never come back. But from YOUR point of view, you come back to a world that is exactly the same (if you did not purposely disrupt anything)...but not. There might be too little difference for you to tell. Now( an offshoot of this theory)---if "you" do come back (from OUR point of view) in your time machine.....well, it's not really you. Just someone from an alternate timeline that did the same thing and came back thru a timeline that most fit "his" without being "his" actual one. Because you/he cannot.

 

[scains]

There's been an "official" Lost thread every past season. But they somehow weren't as active. This thread evolved into an official season 5 thread; good enough for me.

I didn't know there were previous LOST threads, although I never intended this to become an Official season 5 thread lol!

Will this last past the end of season 5 though? Or will we all come back just before season 6 starts with a new "official" thread?

 

[scains]

works for me too
and I like the people posting here too

I don't mind. I'm glad we have something in common that we like to talk about - even though we may have our disagreements sometimes...

I like the people here too.

 

[scains]

Hey Doughboy----I'm not going to quote or repost your entire theory, but I disagree with part of it. If you are basing it on Lost, then your theory about only being able to travel to points after your birth, is wrong. Hurley (Hugo) is probably at the most 25 years old. But they are now back in time over thirty years in the past. And even during the time jumps, Sayer and the gang went back to the 1950's.

On a personal note TOTALLY unrelated to LOST's definition of time travel:----- I myself feel that you could ONLY travel to the past (if time travel were possible) not the future, since it has not happened yet. Picture the white trail left high in the sky when looking at a plane flying by. See how one end is slowly breaking up, while the other end is still tightly knit. THAT is "time", ....only backwards. The tightly knit part is the present, the drifting apart end is the future. (basically take a video of a planes smoke trail.....then run it backwards.)
But in traveling to the past, you end up diverting from the original time line by just going to the past. Hence, alternate universes/time lines. Picture a tree with all of its many branches.....all ending upwards at the exact same point. THAT is time and it's many possibilities. When you go back in time, then come back, you come back to the timeline you just created by GOING back. In this time line you hop into your time machine, disappear.....then....thats it. You never come back. But from YOUR point of view, you come back to a world that is exactly the same (if you did not purposely disrupt anything)...but not. There might be too little difference for you to tell. Now( an offshoot of this theory)---if "you" do come back (from OUR point of view) in your time machine.....well, it's not really you. Just someone from an alternate timeline that did the same thing and came back thru a timeline that most fit "his" without being "his" actual one. Because you/he cannot.

Wasn't that what he was saying though? I thought his points were saying that they couldn't possibly exist in one dimension and that there had to be multiple timelines for the storyline to be valid(?) wrong word I know but the right one just flew right out of my head. Ah, plausible is the word I wanted.

 

[JOHN B]

^I do not think that Lost is saying that there are multiple dimensions. It's saying that time loops into itself over and over, and you cannot change the past, or what is to happen. The Losties present (2008) is in the same timeline, and the same island and it's history, as the Losties in 1977.....
When Ben met the Losties after they captured him, HE already knew who most of them were because he met them when he was a child. They, not having traveled to the past yet, did not know him, or their connection with him. Same timeline. I hear that (sorta spoiler..........) someone (maybe Sun, or the planes Captain) is going to find an old picture in an abandoned building, that has a group picture of the Dharma community.......and it will have some familiar faces in it.......

 

[scains]

Oh right, it is slowly making a little more sense.

But... OI!!! You had better not be going looking for spoilers! (I was looking for the "No way" finger waggle but it's not here. Just so you know) But I'm still mad at you even though I just gave you a smiling smilie
Oh wait, I just found the finger waggle - here you go!

 

[Ekim23]

IMO

I see it more like THEY ALWAYS DONE THE SAME THING

I dont quite understand ur theories bout dimensions and stuff coz for me there is only one dimension, one timeline and one time loop (in LOST)

I see the whole picture more like "everything's written in stone"

The fact they are going back to the past ALWAYS existed.. they were doomed to go back to 1974. I see it like there's no Free will.

Here's the example of what I want to tell with the example of Richard's compass

I dunno if I make myself clear. I think John & myself r pretty much thinkin the same thing, so he might explain it a lil bit better than me

 

[SonOfSlobone]

So they're just missing this week? Not taking a massive break in the show like they have for the past 2 seasons?

Last year was the writers' strike. The year before I think they had started in the fall so it was a longer season. For the rest of the series they're supposed to start in February and go till May.

The next episode will be Mar 18 and is called Namaste. Intriguing...

 

[scains]

IMO

I see it more like THEY ALWAYS DONE THE SAME THING

I dont quite understand ur theories bout dimensions and stuff coz for me there is only one dimension, one timeline and one time loop (in LOST)

I see the whole picture more like "everything's written in stone"

The fact they are going back to the past ALWAYS existed.. they were doomed to go back to 1974. I see it like there's no Free will.

Here's the example of what I want to tell with the example of Richard's compass

I dunno if I make myself clear. I think John & myself r pretty much thinkin the same thing, so he might explain it a lil bit better than me

Yeah I think it's all pre determined as well.
I said it somewhere up there ^

 

[scains]

Last year was the writers' strike. The year before I think they had started in the fall so it was a longer season. For the rest of the series they're supposed to start in February and go till May.

The next episode will be Mar 18 and is called Namaste. Intriguing...

Season 3 wasn't longer than season's 1&2. They showed 8 or 9 episodes and then took a break till February. But you're right they started earlier than usual. Really don't understand why though.

 

[Ekim23]

Ok I got wot u said with the compass and the dimensions. There's just one thing I want to add to ur explanations

U saying : If u born in 1965 u cant go back to 1963 coz the past can't be changed & u were not yet born... and I understand and agree to ur theorie

But what IF in the past ur future self already been there...
it's not bout existing or not. Its just in 1963 u kinda already existed... u know what I mean ?? ( thats the way I see it lool)

What I wanna say, is that history has been built with u in the past.
It was written I was in 1963 before i was even born coz my future self traveled there and built the story.


But in the same time, I kinda get what u mean and it's giving me headache.. lol

 

[scains]

Ah! You have made a very interesting point - but they went back to the 1950's and I'm pretty sure that Jack is not in his 50's just now...

How would you explain that? With an alternate dimension?

 

[Ekim23]

LOOOOOOOL

well anyway theres something weird with dimensions, time and space, that I dont think the writer will ever explain... lol
The 3 days / 3 years problem is giving me headache lol


ANd ur point with dying when u born could be interesting...
But what about the scene where LOCKE see the "hatch light", or when sawyer sees Kate & Claire... that means that at that time there was 2 sawyers and 2 lockes


I see it as when they're moving thru time they're only human being.. i dont think time knows they are the same person
They're travelling, they are where they are supposed to be and thats bout it.

 

[JOHN B]

ALL the characters have aged three years, and in normal time too! We saw the lives of jack and the others who left the island, in great detail. Now Sawy....correction..James...and his crew were also on the Island those three years. The show just has not gone into detail about what HAPPENED during those three years yet. The episode even flashed back and forth between "Three years ago" (James and group meeting the Dharma) and "Three years later", when they had been accepted as members of the community. I'm sure the show will catch us up on what happened in the in-between time that allowed them to stay as part of the group and NOT be put on the Sub heading off the Island. Remember, they were given "two week reprieve" after defusing the Richard Situation, but obviously were allowed to stay for some reason.

 

[Ekim23]

ALL the characters have aged three years, and in normal time too! We saw the lives of jack and the others who left the island, in great detail. Now Sawy....correction..James...and his crew were also on the Island those three years. The show just has not gone into detail about what HAPPENED during those three years yet. The episode even flashed back and forth between "Three years ago" (James and group meeting the Dharma) and "Three years later", when they had been accepted as members of the community. I'm sure the show will catch us up on what happened in the in-between time that allowed them to stay as part of the group and NOT be put on the Sub heading off the Island. Remember, they were given "two week reprieve", but obviously were allowed to stay for some reason.

looooool

Thats right, I dunno why i keep forgettin they stayed 3 years on the island (feeling stupid and ashamed )
Well at least my headache is gone thanks to u !! lol

 

[scains]

Hmmmmm - I'm Not Sure Of Your Point But . . .

Since Jack Left The Island It Has Only Been Three Years. So He Is Actually Only 3 Years Older Than The Losties Who Remained On The Island Who Themselves May Only Be What - 3 Days Older? Jack And The Rest Of The Oceanic Six Had To Be In A Different Timeline/Dimension Or They Would Have Aged At The Same Rate Of Time. If They Had Gone Back To The 1950's While Sharing A Common Timeline And Dimension And Met Jack - He Would Have Been As Old As He Was In The 1950s - Or Perhaps Not Yet Been Born.

The Fact That The Losties Went Back To The 1950's Would Not Have Affected Jack Or The Others Who Left The Island Since They Were Not A Part Of That Timeline/Dimension. To Put It In The Context Of The Parable Of The Twins - The Ones Who Remained On The Island Are Like The Twin Brother Who Traveled Into Space - While The Ones Who Left The Island Were The Constants Who Remained On Earth. Sawyer And The Others Are Now Younger Than The Oceanic Six By 3 Years.

Or The More Likely Explanation - I'm Just Full Of Shit.

Aside from the fact that you are wrong because Juliet and Sawyer were shown to have been on the island three years in the last episode, that wasn't my point.

You said that they couldn't go backwards in time past the date that they were born because they didn't exist then...
What I'm saying is that on the island in 'Jughead' Juliet, Locke, Sawyer, Daniel, Charlotte, Miles all went back to the 1950's. If what you say is true then how was it possible for them to back to that time - none of them are old enough to exist in that time.

Do you understand what I meant now?