McCain defends Obama against anti-Arab comment

[Kulindahr]

Re: Obama's not an Arab?

So when a terrorist attacks us, it's somehow our fault? Get a grip. Do some research. The radical muslims are raised on hate.

The Obamination wants to sit down with Pres I-need-a-shave-abad and talk to him without preconditions. Frankly, that's insane, or naive, or perhaps simply naively insane. Such a move would be seen as weakness in the middle East.

You don't sit down and "talk" with people who want to destroy you.

Tell me, if I come into your neighborhood, camp out in the city park, and walk around kicking the locals' pets, whose fault is it when some locals find out where I live and firebomb the place?
That's exactly what's happening with us and terrorists.

And you're feeding it -- with the insulting, derogatory language about a president from that region, you're part of the problem, part of the attitude that gets America hated.

And you always sit down and talk -- first. It's kind of like a preacher in a Western movie I saw once: he went to talk to this gang who were terrorizing the town, and one swung and knocked him down, then asked, "What does the Good Book say about that?" The preacher got up, turned the other side of his head toward the guy, and the guy punched him again. "But", said the preacher, "after that it don't say nuthin'" -- and proceeded to beat the crap out of the guy and his two friends.

Now, if I were Obama, I'd go talk -- with a fleet parked in the Gulf and one in the Mediterranean.

 

[Kulindahr]

These people need to get educate seriously. They're like mindless drones that can be easily manipulated by their gorgon queen. That fucking Sarah Palin that uses dirty tactics to tap into the fears of these ignorant bigots.

DEEP SHAME...


And I thought I came from a third world country...

All you have to do is change "Sarah Palin" to "Hillary Clinton" and this would work just as well from the other side.

Republicans and Democrats alike have among them large throngs of hateful, uneducated, "mindless drones", of whom it can be accurately said that they aren't even capable of grasping the possibility that the other side might have a point.

I watch it happen on here as well -- toned down, but still the same -- and find it disgusting.

 

[Supernature]

Sarcasm was not taught in your pub-bleck schools?

Get a grip on yourself. Whoever takes the helm will have a hoover like presidency to look forward to for the next five to ten years our economy will be working itself back to strong. Just as whoever is in office when it visibly becomes strong again will say they did it.

Fact is years of irresponsible policy that was promoted by both sides of the aisle are responsible for this mess. Until we have a leader willing to admit that we will not go forward.

Here's to going forward. From the transcript of the last Presidential Debate:

Obama: Well, look, I understand your frustration and your cynicism, because while you've been carrying out your responsibilities -- most of the people here, you've got a family budget. If less money is coming in, you end up making cuts. Maybe you don't go out to dinner as much. Maybe you put off buying a new car.

That's not what happens in Washington. And you're right. There is a lot of blame to go around.


But I think it's important just to remember a little bit of history. When George Bush came into office, we had surpluses. And now we have half-a-trillion-dollar deficit annually.


When George Bush came into office, our debt -- national debt was around $5 trillion. It's now over $10 trillion. We've almost doubled it.


And so while it's true that nobody's completely innocent here, we have had over the last eight years the biggest increases in deficit spending and national debt in our history. And Sen. McCain voted for four out of five of those George Bush budgets.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/07/presidential.debate.transcript/

 

[NickCole]

Re: Obama's not an Arab?

Right here is an example of what I'm talking about: Nick sees Republicans as nurturing divisions -- but Republicans see Democrats as fueling divisions.
And neither can get a handle on the other's point of view.

I think both are true.

 

[Críostóir]

The way I heard it reported, she said "he's an Arab terrorist." I couldn't hear that on that tape. If so, McCain isn't being an asshole by contrasting 'Arab' with 'decent family man'. If not...well, let's hope she said 'terrorist' and it was just inaudible.

 

[sunoftheskye]

You read in this forum, right?

I'm talking about the politicians or the party themselves. Not radical supporters and their own drummed up thoughts.

Republicans have used fear mongering to win elections.

I've yet to see Democrats do the same. In fact, I've heard many liberal friends WISH Democrats would, so we could finally win an election.

 

[MystikWizard]

The way I heard it reported, she said "he's an Arab terrorist." I couldn't hear that on that tape. If so, McCain isn't being an asshole by contrasting 'Arab' with 'decent family man'. If not...well, let's hope she said 'terrorist' and it was just inaudible.

That is not true. Not to say McCain supporters haven't called Obama a "terrorist" at their rallies, but in this instance she did not say the word "terrorist". It wasn't that it was inaudible or anything. She just didn't say it.

 

[MystikWizard]

agreed.

Find me a clip where people are screaming about how old and stupid McCain is at an Obama rally. I'd be shocked to see it and even more shocked if Obama let it go on.

On the Hannity board, the main thing they are upset with is how the Left treated Sarah Palin ... making up the Pregnancy story about Bristol, and the other mean-spirited attacks against her. They feel like the Left went too far with her.

We are getting ourselves past the Clinton/Obama feud I feel (thank God, finally ... as it sinks in we are getting closer to the big one), but I was honest on there, in which one of the main reasons I feel the Left attacked Palin to the degree they did, is because they saw the tactic for what it was, and that was to bring Clinton Feminist supporters over to their Party. The McCain campaign saw a hunger from Women for someone in the White House, that was a Woman, and they rolled the dice. It didn't pay off amongst most of the female Clinton supporters, after all ... which I am grateful to them for.

But I think this was why the Left went after her to the point they did. They wanted to completely defame her (although in many cases, she did it to herself with the interviews she did), to make it appear that she was a complete imbecile. She didn't need much help from us.

 

[SoulSearcher]

OMG! Lately I have been trying really hard to keep away from watching any of this, but just couldn't help it. Seriously, this atmosphere really reminds me of lynch mobs. Christ save me from your Christians...

 

[NineOfClubs]

Republicans have used fear mongering to win elections.

I've yet to see Democrats do the same. In fact, I've heard many liberal friends WISH Democrats would, so we could finally win an election.

For decades the Democrats have used fear. They've told retired people that the Republicans were going to take away their Social Security. It's worked well for them as a tactic, too.

They've also gotten the gays to believe Republicans have concentration camps planned for them. That's using fear too, isn't it?

 

[NickCole]

For decades the Democrats have used fear. They've told retired people that the Republicans were going to take away their Social Security. It's worked well for them as a tactic, too.

They've also gotten the gays to believe Republicans have concentration camps planned for them. That's using fear too, isn't it?

Yep.

In an Obama ad he said McCain wants to put social security money into risky Wall Street stocks and that people who're retiring today would have lost all their social security money. That's a flat-out lie. The instruments McCain's plan suggested SS money go into were not risky, not the ones that have lost their value in recent weeks, and his plan also didn't allow people anywhere close to retirement age to participate in that. That's the Obama campaign trying to frighten retirement-age people away from McCain, and doing it with lies.

Democrats also use fear in saying Republicans will take away the rights of gays, blacks, and women. For instance Obama supporters have insisted McCain is opposed to equal pay for women, which isn't true, or that he'll appoint SC justices that'll reverse Roe v Wade (as if Democrats in Congress have no say about who becomes a SC justice).

Fear is used by both sides. Certainly this year it has been.

Of course each side believes the fear they're peddling is legitimate, and therefore using it in political campaigns is justified. But as FDR said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

 

[smelter]

Fear is used by both sides. Certainly this year it has been.

Of course each side believes the fear they're peddling is legitimate, and therefore using it in political campaigns is justified. But as FDR said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

..... and that the last of the corrugated refrigerator boxes are gone before you have a chance to get one from the dempsty dumpster.

 

[Kulindahr]

Yep.

In an Obama ad he said McCain wants to put social security money into risky Wall Street stocks and that people who're retiring today would have lost all their social security money. That's a flat-out lie. The instruments McCain's plan suggested SS money go into were not risky, not the ones that have lost their value in recent weeks, and his plan also didn't allow people anywhere close to retirement age to participate in that. That's the Obama campaign trying to frighten retirement-age people away from McCain, and doing it with lies.

Democrats also use fear in saying Republicans will take away the rights of gays, blacks, and women. For instance Obama supporters have insisted McCain is opposed to equal pay for women, which isn't true, or that he'll appoint SC justices that'll reverse Roe v Wade (as if Democrats in Congress have no say about who becomes a SC justice).

Fear is used by both sides. Certainly this year it has been.

Of course each side believes the fear they're peddling is legitimate, and therefore using it in political campaigns is justified. But as FDR said, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

The same Social Security lie has been used here in Oregon as a Merkely attack against Gordon Smith. It's just one of the lies Democrats have been using against Republicans in a number of races.

They also tried to link Smith to anti-gay stuff, but that backfired -- there's footage of Smith standing with Kennedy to fight for the 'Matthew Shepard' legislation.

 

[unclaimedblessing]

I haven't heard McCain or Palin call Obama a terrorist either.

What I have heard is Palin (Cheney in a dress) claim Obama associates with American terrorists, the implication is fairly clear. "If you want to know somebody, look at their friends".

They have also claimed Obama's campaign was launched from Ayer's living room. An 86 year old rabbi has come forward and said the campaign was launched from his house (an American terrorists also?).

Many believe McCain selected Palin to pick up disenfranchised Hillary supporters. He probably regrets his choice now because the "Honky Mom" hasn't helped. It's been her "golly, gee" rhetoric that has not only cost him a lot of support, but brought negative criticism into and about his campaign.

 

[Kulindahr]

Many believe McCain selected Palin to pick up disenfranchised Hillary supporters. He probably regrets his choice now because the "Honky Mom" hasn't helped. It's been her "golly, gee" rhetoric that has not only cost him a lot of support, but brought negative criticism into and about his campaign.

The big surge for her at the start was of two kinds: because she had the right pedigree for a whole stack of Republican loyalists, and because she... is female. We can look at those at supporting "who", and supporting "what".

But now, in light of the "who", the "what" supporters are slipping away.

Of course at root some of those "who" supporters are another variety of "what" fans; if she walks like a fundamentalist Christian, talks like a fundamentalist Christian, and shoots a moose, the real person in there doesn't matter. To those, she could declare Obama to be an Arab polar bear she once saw from Alaska, and they'd all nod their heads and say, "Amen!"