McCain Opposes Gay Parenting

[Spensed]

FYI: more anti-gay stuff from McCain.

http://www.towleroad.com/2008/07/mccains-family.html

 

[UrbanBOYS]

He did not answer the question, and he wants to run this country.
I was like... ANSWER THE QUESTION! He never did. Oh well, I'm not voting for him anyways.

 

[WYSIWYG]

Another sad, sad example of his BS! Do we really want this guy as our next president??? I praay NOT!

 

[chance1]

Unfortunately some gay men are, in fact, voting for Mccain.

gay men, like str8 men, like lesbians, like str8 women, like transsexuals ....................

evaluate pres candidates on MANY issues

not just single issues

JMac is clearly on the defensive here - and has to say what he says - to protect his right flank - and it sucks

I don't think he really believes it - I don't

I could be wrong

George S really went after him here - clearly on a fringe issue

what is obama's position on this and gay marriage?

 

[Sammie13]

Pitiful!!! What has happened to the Maverick? Where are you McCain 2000?

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

Maverick doesn't exist anymore since Madonna parted with them!

 

[Spensed]

gay men, like str8 men, like lesbians, like str8 women, like transsexuals ....................

evaluate pres candidates on MANY issues

not just single issues

JMac is clearly on the defensive here - and has to say what he says - to protect his right flank - and it sucks

I don't think he really believes it - I don't

I could be wrong

George S really went after him here - clearly on a fringe issue

what is obama's position on this and gay marriage?

Obama's position is that same sex couples should be treated "with full equality as same sex couples in their family and adoption laws." (See his open letter to gay voters earlier this year.)

Although, for the same political reasons you ascribe to McCain, Obama thinks civil unions for gays can achieve this, Obama opposes the California proposition that would ban gay marriage. McCain supports it.

As I've said before, the bigger problem is the Supreme Court. McCain has indicated he would appoint judges who don't recognized a constitutional right to privacy and would recriminalize gay sex.

The other problem is that if McCain is such an ass about individual civil liberties like gay rights just think what as ass he'll be about the Constitution generally. It's just more George W attitudes on gay rights and everything else. For that reason, this isn't, as you assert, only about a single issue.

Obviously, if you think gay rights is a "fringe issue", you'll vote for your boy McCain.

Those folk, who give gay rights more importance (both as an individual issue and as a pointer for what kind of man and Administration one would get) are more likely to vote in their own interests and favor Obama.

 

[White Eagle]

Maybe the biopsy they took near his temple will turn out to be recurrent melanoma. Its not nice to wish bad things on people, but I'm far from nice so, I'll do it anyway

Maybe that biopsy was his brain.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

I think anyone voting for McCain that is gay doesn't really respect who they are. Plain and simple

 

[White Eagle]

I think anyone voting for McCain that is gay doesn't really respect who they are. Plain and simple

So true. Pity ain't it.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

You have to remember... if someone grew up in a conservative environment and all they hear is republican its so embedded into them and they learn that its the only way from their parents... how do you change someone who thinks they've been right for so long. It also hurts their view of their own family or community. Nobody wants to hear they are wrong. They feel so strongly to defend the Republican party that they will give up their own dignity of who they are.

 

[KrisHawkXXX]

So in a way they dont have respect for themselves

 

[Kulindahr]

I think anyone voting for McCain that is gay doesn't really respect who they are. Plain and simple

So in a way they don't have respect for themselves

Wow, an oversimplification of things!

Personally, I'd say that anyone who is human and voting for McCain doesn't really respect who they are, though, so I'll let you go on this one -- and the second proposition follows, as modified.

As Spense observed, McCain holds positions that disrespect freedom on more than this issue -- my fave is his flat-out statement that "effective government" is more important than free speech. But if you do a search of his positions, you'll find that he disagrees with the Bill of Rights on all the points of the First, the Second, the Fourth, the Fifth, Sixth, the Eighth, the Ninth... and for all his hot air, the Tenth.

Sadly, Obama stands with him on about half that!

 

[chance1]

I think anyone voting for McCain that is gay doesn't really respect who they are. Plain and simple

So true. Pity ain't it.

You have to remember... if someone grew up in a conservative environment and all they hear is republican its so embedded into them and they learn that its the only way from their parents... how do you change someone who thinks they've been right for so long. It also hurts their view of their own family or community. Nobody wants to hear they are wrong. They feel so strongly to defend the Republican party that they will give up their own dignity of who they are.

So in a way they dont have respect for themselves

plain and simple

is making assuptions about what u do not know

is pretending u know something about people and categorizing them as xyz because ....................

plain and simple

 

[Kulindahr]

Why are you a "good gay" if you're Democrat and a bad one if Republican? As far as I can see, little progress has been made with either party. One pays lip service and the other is more overt but neither is making strides. Neither candidate supports gay marriage but wait, Obama supports civil unions so we all rush over to his side? "Supports" and will "push for" are two different things. Frankly, until a candidate comes out and says, "I will make it a point to fight for civil unions or gay marriage within my first 100 days of office" that issue is simply off the table for me.

I want a candidate who will say, "I believe in the Declaration of Independence, that 'all men are created equal'; I believe in the First Amendment, where it says 'shall make no law regarding the establishment of religion'; I acknowledge that the great majority of the American people view marriage as a sacred matter. I therefor believe that the government has no authority to mandate what is marriage and what is not, nor to grant benefits or penalties on the basis of marriage or anything similar, and I therefor pledge that I shall do everything within the power of the office of the presidency within my first hundred days to see that every reference to the institution is removed from law, so that the institution is returned to the churches, where it belongs, and that neutral language, permitting the freedom of association guaranteed us by a freedom-loving Creator to all who declare to government, 'We are bonded', no matter that they call it marriage or something else.'"

So far, all the candidates the powers behind the scenes put out there are doing is playing games.

 

[koontzfanwv]

Thank you Chance for stating what anyone who isn't a puppet should have have figured out for themselves. Gay menand women aren't stupid. They think of many issues as important issues when they get to the ballot. I'm not a Republican,i'm registered non partisan so i'll never become like the followers i witnness. I know many pro life people who are voting for Obama over McCain.If the posters denouncing you think i should try to convince pro lifers to not vote for Obama because he's pro choice then i suppose i could try that. With so man issues at hand other than abortion it only makes sense i give it a shot.

 

[Shafted]

"Traditional family values", huh?
You mean like dumping your wife for a younger, hotter, richer model? Or calling your children's mother a "cunt"?

He, indeed, sounds like he's keeping to some kind of script. Granted, if he's allowed to think for himself, who knows many gaffes we'll be able to rack up by Thursday.

 

[Spensed]

Thank you Chance for stating what anyone who isn't a puppet should have have figured out for themselves. Gay menand women aren't stupid. They think of many issues as important issues when they get to the ballot. I'm not a Republican,i'm registered non partisan so i'll never become like the followers i witnness. I know many pro life people who are voting for Obama over McCain.If the posters denouncing you think i should try to convince pro lifers to not vote for Obama because he's pro choice then i suppose i could try that. With so man issues at hand other than abortion it only makes sense i give it a shot.

No one wants to make anyone into a puppet and it may, or may not, be perfectly reasonable for someone not to vote for a candidate because of a single issue.

The question is how much importance you place on that issue and what it represents in terms of other issues.

Chance dismisses gay adoptions and all the related gay civil rights as "a fringe issue" so clearly he and folk like him aren't going to have a problem in voting for McCain despite his anti-gay positions.

To those, for whom gay civil rights are more than just "a fringe issue", McCain's anti-gay positions pose more of a problem. Not just in themselves and the harm that a McCain Supreme Court will do when it recriminalizes gay sex. But also because gay rights are as good a focus on how a presidential candidate will treat individual liberties, the Constitution and Americans he disagrees with, etc., as any other.

McCain splutters out his anti-gay positions and has promised to stack the Supreme Court with anti-privacy (i.e. anti-gay) justices. It's just more Bush.

Don't think gay rights are a priority and want more Bush, then vote for McCain.

But it seems perfectly reasonable for other folk to see that as a foolish decision.

The only thing the Republicans seem to do well is to get people to vote against their self-interest.

 

[chance1]

Chance dismisses gay adoptions and all the related gay civil rights as "a fringe issue" so clearly he and folk like him aren't going to have a problem in voting for McCain despite his anti-gay positions.

To those, for whom gay civil rights are more than just "a fringe issue", McCain's anti-gay positions pose more of a problem. Not just in themselves and the harm that a McCain Supreme Court will do when it recriminalizes gay sex. But also because gay rights are as good a focus on how a presidential candidate will treat individual liberties, the Constitution and Americans he disagrees with, etc., as any other.

McCain splutters out his anti-gay positions and has promised to stack the Supreme Court with anti-privacy (i.e. anti-gay) justices. It's just more Bush.

Don't think gay rights are a priority and want more Bush, then vote for McCain.

But it seems perfectly reasonable for other folk to see that as a foolish decision.

The only thing the Republicans seem to do well is to get people to vote against their self-interest.

didnt' "dismiss" anything - nice insert

relative to iraq, the economy, health care, immigration plus .......

gay adoption is a fringe issue

all things r relative

did not dismiss anything

but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth

that's what i would call

disingenuine

 

[Spensed]

^ "a fringe issue" are your words and calling something fringe is being dismissive of it.

For many people, gay adoptions and the civil rights and other issues related to them aren't "a fringe issue" and are as important (especially in terms of their day to day lives) as most, if not all of the other issues you mention.

Plus, as I say, opposing individual civil rights tell you what kind of President McCain would be, i.e. another Bush pandering to the religious extremists. So the gay adoption issue is more than just about gay adoption.

In addition to his comments against gay adoption, McCain's is now also supporting the California anti-gay marriage initiative and recently reasserted his opposition to the moves to end the Don't-Ask-Don't-Tell policy.

Obviously, you're entitled to your opinions. If you're comfortable supporting that kind of guy, well, I guess you're comfortable supporting that kind of guy. If he gets in, as happened for many folk who voted for Bush, I hope you live to regret it.

If he doesn't, your continuing shilling for an anti-gay candidate on a gay message board will have proved the trolling waste of time it appears to be. LOL.