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Mets forever

I keep hearing talk about Reyes getting traded for Santana.
Especially now that the Twins are gonna need a shortstop.

We heard it during the A-Rod talks and now again with Santana
This talk must stop [-X
I know the Mets need a first stater, but not at the cost of an everyday player like Jose. NO NO NO
Omar, Don't do this :cry:

I don't think the Mets are going to get Santana, he will more likely go to the Yankees or Boston. I don't want the Mets to give up the whole farm for him anyways.

Did anyone hear the rant Billy Wagner went on the other day?
Talking about how much Glavin meant to the team and the loss of Lo Duca.
I don't think the front office or Willie were to happy with some of what he said. BUT, I think he was right on about many things. Just his timing was off, maybe better he said those thing in March. Also, since he was being so honest and up front about his feelings, maybe he should have mentioned all those saves he blew.
 
Well Omar Minaya must have heard my plea and has come out publicly to say “I’m not pitchin Reyes”
I am happy hear him say that. As I have said before, giving up a core everyday player like Reyes for a starting pitcher playing every five days just made no sense.
The Mets are not in a panic for a pitcher, certainly not enough to give up what would be needed for Santana.
 
So the Mets got rid of milledge, well I say good riddance.

I have been saying for a while now that I did not like that kid. He started his crap from the first day he was drafted wasting no time in making enemies in the clubhouse. There were accusations of sexual misconduct, though he was never charged. I was annoyed by him binging attention to himself all the time, like when he celebrated a home run by slapping the hands of fans on his way out to right field. He also didn't act like a rookie in the clubhouse; I remember the sign on his locker from Wagner "Know your place, rook." The end came for me the day, with a guy on third, Milledge allowed himself to be hit by a pitch to get to first. His job was to bring the guy on third home, which he did not, and that really pissed me off. I could not believe the ump did not catch that, we all saw the replay, and Milledge clearly came into the ball to get hit. What surprised me is the way the Mets practically gave him away. I guess his value did not really ad up to much. The Mets did not get much for him, they got catcher Brian Schneider and outfielder Ryan Church. Which makes me wonder even more about how long Estrada will be around, or if he will even be a Met on opening day. The Mets have not tendered him yet and could still get out of the deal. I mean think about it, Estrada has been on a lot of teams, One of the problems is his attitude and temper. The guy is not well liked, which is why he never seems to stay on e any one team. Plus he is pretty much a one position player, like 8th place. I was ok with the deal at first but thinking about it, now, not so much. I still want Lo Duca back, I know it’s not gonna happen but the catching position is still up in the air as far I can guess...
We defiantly got a defensive upgrade in Schneider, he was like third in the National League by throwing out about 35 percent of would be base stealers, and Church is for sure a more polished outfielder than Milledge, who was kinda impatient and shortsighted.
 
Still,there had better be some action on Minayas's part regarding the need for an ace to lead the pitching staff.this club had a historic collapse that snastched a division title many of the Mets players celebrated TOO prematurely,and took for granted rather than go out there and EARN it.I don't see how Minaya hasn't so far definitely received the kind of grinder players that would never allow such an attitude to infect the team...though getting rid of Milledge as a bad influence on Reyes probably was a good thing.
Scheider will probably be the starting catcher,hit enough to not hurt the lineup and be a defensive presence.Church has talent and a potential upside,though his being an evangelical Christian got him into trouble with alleged anti-Semitic remarks.He apologized for that but who knows if he really means it...an God only knows what he thinks of gays.My hope is he is part of a trade for a top line pitcher like Dan Haren,since the Mets are pretty much out of the Johann Santana sweepstakes.
 
More Spring training news

The Mets are set to kick off their home Grapefruit League lineup against the Cardinals, according to their 2008 Spring Training schedule released on Saturday. New York will also host the World Series champion Boston Red Sox at Tradition Field on March 10.*

Twenty years after they played each other in the inaugural game in Port St. Lucie, the Mets and Dodgers will stage a reprise. They are set to play on March 5 at Tradition Field at 1:10 p.m. ET, 20 years to the day after the Mets played their first game as residents of the east coast of Florida.
The game, the eighth of the 32 included on the schedule the club released on Saturday, is one of three that the Mets will play against Joe Torre's new team. The teams face each other in Port St. Lucie on March 1 and in Vero Beach the following day. The March 2 game is to be the Mets' final game at Dodgertown, the Spring Training headquarters of the former Brooklyn franchise since the days of Jackie Robinson.

The Mets begin their exhibition season on Feb. 26, against the University of Michigan, the alma mater of owner Fred Wilpon. Their first home game against a big league team is on Leap Year Day, Feb. 29, against the Cardinals. Their first big league exhibition game is on Feb. 27 against the Tigers in Lakeland.

The World Series champion Red Sox visit Port St. Lucie on March 10 and the Mets play the Sox the following day in Ft. Myers. The Mets face the Cardinals and Orioles five times each, the Marlins four times, the Dodgers, Nationals, Indians and Braves three times each and the Astros and Red Sox twice each. They have split squad games scheduled for March 8 and 16.
 
Just getting Mets withdrawal symptoms so I had to come here!I'm afraid if the Mets do get a starter like Erik Bedard or Dan Haren,good but not proven Santana level,thery nonetheless will have to give up Carlos Gomez since they used the Lastings Milledge chip on Brian Schneider and Ryan Church.They have great stuff and good records,but haven't proven themselves big game studs yet.

At least we still have Fernando Martinez,the great power/offensive prospect.The good news also is that in losing Tom Glavine,the Mets can receive a quick college player jolt in the upcoming baseball draft.They receive Atlanta's first round pick plus like what landed them David Wright a sandwich pick right after the first round....reload what was lost in a hurry.They need another outfielder too since Ryan Church will likely be at first platooned,not hitting lefties well at all though devastating against righties.

Still,so far a really disappointing offseason response to a historic collapse.Getting mediocrities like Livan Hernandez to bolster the pitching rotation in case they can't land a Haren or Bedard simply is a waste of money...best get Pelphrey and Humber real experience on a major league staff than getting a far more costly fourth /fifth starter.Pedro Martinez,Oliver Perez,and John Maine are a very good top of the rotation...blend in the younger pitchers now.But I'm hoping to land someone for the high end of the rotation,and Mets fans should hope Omar Minaya realizes his team cannot return with only a couple of cosmetic moves.
 
RazorzEdge88 said:
Are you serious? Well, as a Nats fan, I'm stoked that they got Milledge. He's projected to have nearly 500 HR's in his career, and projections often short-change players with his upside.
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I just don't see it that way.
Too many red flags, but of course this trade may have hunbled him and perhaps he will clean up his act.
Good luck with him. :D
 
Well, Lo Duca is official gone from the Mets; he is now with the Nationals.
Paul averaged just under .300 over the past two years, I will miss his bat, but his arm, well, lets just say Schneider I will admit has a better arm.
Take care Paulie, I will sure miss your fire and the clubhouse will miss your leadership.

Note to Omar

Dude, you loosing it?
Yesterday, you said the Mets now have a better team than they had in ’07. Huh?
How is that?? We still need pitching, both starting and relief. You do know Glavin is gone right?

I share your enthusiasm for Maine and Perez but what about El Duque and Pedro, will they get through the season? And what about Pelfrey, he has not exactly wowed us yet. Even our closer Billy (drama queen, backstabbing) Wagner makes me nervous. How many saves did he blow in ’07?

So what have you accomplished? Well, Milledge is gone and replaced by a right fielder with maturity but pretty much the same stuff, a non event if you ask me. Although I did not care for Lastings and his drama, I think maybe you gave up a good chip and got very little in return. Ok, Ok so Schneider may have been a good replacement for Lo Duca, I’ll give you that. Time will tell if that made any sense.
All in all you have done very little to improve the team for ’08, I thought maybe you had some kind of masterful move up your sleeve. Well, when can we look forward to that??

Oh, and by the way, unless you can land someone who can make a major improvement in the lineup, leave our prospects in place. Yes, I am talking about Gomez, no trades just for the sake of making a trade, leaver that kid in left field.
 
Well,Lenny Dykstra was not surprisingly fingered as chemically enhanced...loved him back in the late'80's Met resurgence,hated they traded him but felt he did get just a little too big in Philly.

Shocked though by the Paul LoDuca and Todd Hundley assertions.If Lo Duca was as involved as it looks,I'd say good riddeance to him.
 
Sausy said:
Well,Lenny Dykstra was not surprisingly fingered as chemically enhanced...loved him back in the late'80's Met resurgence,hated they traded him but felt he did get just a little too big in Philly.

Shocked though by the Paul LoDuca and Todd Hundley assertions.If Lo Duca was as involved as it looks,I'd say good riddeance to him.
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Yeah I am pretty sick over the Lo Duca thing. I wonder if Omar knew something when he got rid of him this year. Sorry bastard, I'm glad he is not a Met anymore.
I liked Hundley, I was sorry when we lost him to the Dodgers, another damn shame.
As for Nails, I never saw him with the Mets, he had already gone to the phillies when I watched him play, hell of a scrapper. But my dad tells me Lenny was a skinny runt who all of a sudden bulked up, it as then dad suspected something.
The only good thing to come out was that Atlanta prick John Rocker,
no surprise there.
It's gonna take me a while to get over this.:mad:
 
Dykstra went from a buck 160 to nearly 190 to 200 of total muscle during his days with the Phils.

I have not heard any really great moves to improve the Mets pitching situation. Santana would be a coup, but since that is not in the Cards and Dan Haren is already gone, Omar better get busy. We need pitching NOW!!!

sonny10305 said:
Yeah I am pretty sick over the Lo Duca thing. I wonder if Omar knew something when he got rid of him this year. Sorry bastard, I'm glad he is not a Met anymore.
I liked Hundley, I was sorry when we lost him to the Dodgers, another damn shame.
As for Nails, I never saw him with the Mets, he had already gone to the phillies when I watched him play, hell of a scrapper. But my dad tells me Lenny was a skinny runt who all of a sudden bulked up, it as then dad suspected something.
The only good thing to come out was that Atlanta prick John Rocker,
no surprise there.
It's gonna take me a while to get over this.:mad:
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wilehart1978 said:
I have not heard any really great moves to improve the Mets pitching situation. Santana would be a coup, but since that is not in the Cards and Dan Haren is already gone, Omar better get busy. We need pitching NOW!!!
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You said it babe, I used to think Omar was just biding his time to make a big pitching move. Now I hear him him still saying he's happy with the team the way it is and that it is now better than '07. WTF??
I never expected to get Santana but I was hopeful for Wiilis or Haren, both gone now. That means the team is either relying on Pedro Martinez to stay healthy the entire season or Mike Pelfrey to finally find his stuff. Forget El Duque. He can't be counted on for more than 15 starts a season.
I dono, good luck with that Omar. Maybe there is still hope with either Erik Bedard or Mark Prior. I would hope for one of those guys.

Meantime the Mets non-tendered catcher Johnny Estrada, outfielder Ben Johnson and pitcher Juan Padilla making them free agents.
I never expected to see Estrada in a Mets uniform anyways. The Mets did not even offer him a contract.

Hey! where is Cory (absolut) since he became a mod he does not come out and play with us anymore. :confused:
I am wondering what he thought of the Edmonds, Freese trade.
 
Oh boy, looks like the Mets are back in the Santana race big time. A report today says that the Twins are interested in a package the Mets have offered. Guerra, Gomez and pitchers Mulvey and Humber. But now they are reported to be willing to make the deal if the Mets include Fernando Martinez.
I am not one to say mortgage the farm but I not concerned about losing A ball and AA ball guys like Mulvey and Humber who haven’t stepped up and shown me what they are really worth. Some of those prospects ar pretty good I love and hate to loose Gomez and Martinez but we need to bolster the front, we need a starting pitcher. I don’t wanna spend the season looking up at the Braves and Phillies. We all know what Santana is made of, he is an outstanding pitcher who throws gas has a nasty change up, and wins games. this deal will without question make the Mets the NL favorite.
I know Omar values the farm system, always has, but we need to do this,
bottom line you need front line pitching to win

I think we gotta part with those so called blue chip marquee guys, It's a tough decision but one that needs to be made.

Omar, pull that trigger!
 
sonny10305 said:
Hey! where is Cory (absolut) since he became a mod he does not come out and play with us anymore. :confused:
I am wondering what he thought of the Edmonds, Freese trade.
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Oh you sexy bitch, I am always watching here...I may not post about my sad sad obsession with baseball (OMG WHEN DOES IT START!?!?!? :cry:) but I still loves all of my sports peeps! (*8*):kiss:

And the Edmonds trade? I wish he would have finished his career here. I do wish Jimmy "Half-Shirt" Edmonds nothing but the best

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:lol:

And, I haven't seen Freese play yet. Yeah I can hear everyone say this this and this about him, but until I see it I'll believe it ;)

Abs
 
I love that the Mets after falling behind for the Winter meetings appear to have a pretty good chance at Johan Santana.But the Twins are being a little too greedy and I think that Gomez,Guerra(I may be wrong with the name...the highly thought of young pitching prospect),Humber and Mulvey is as good a deal that the Twins would ever get.3 potential top three starters and a really exciting,athletic superstar potentiial outfielder in Carllos Gomez should definitely be enough.Yanks won't offer more than two top minor leaguers and Boston won't put Ellsbury and Buckholz in the same deal,so it seems the Mets curent offer is the best available.I would NOT add Fernando Martinez,who is a decent defender but a potentially lethal masher with lots of power.I think he and Mike Pelfrey can be two more good young infusions to a strong core,certainly Martinez could be ready by 2009 to welcome in the new CitiField.

Also,the Mets I believe have an additional first round pick from Atlanta after losing Tom Glavine to free agency....a fairly good one.A college offensive player could be had there who could make a quick contribution after a year of minor league seasoning,so they still can really get help pretty quick from their mionor league system.

Oh,goodie!I just rechecked and the Mets get Atlanta's first round pick,no.18 and sandwich pick right after the first round,like the pick that resulted in them drafting David Wright!Two potential stars within a year or two!Tom Glavine may have accomplished something yet as a Met!
 
Sausy said:
Also,the Mets I believe have an additional first round pick from Atlanta after losing Tom Glavine to free agency....a fairly good one.A college offensive player could be had there who could make a quick contribution after a year of minor league seasoning,so they still can really get help pretty quick from their mionor league system.

Oh,goodie!I just rechecked and the Mets get Atlanta's first round pick,no.18 and sandwich pick right after the first round,like the pick that resulted in them drafting David Wright!Two potential stars within a year or two!Tom Glavine may have accomplished something yet as a Met!
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I forgot to mention that, thanks for pointing it out.

I am hoping for Santana, now that they have my hopes built up.The Twins want both of the Mets' outfield prospects, Gomez and Martinez, in addition to pitching. The Mets prolly see that a bit pricey.
So the question remains, Should they? Think about it this way, star outfielders are easier to acquire than No. 1 starting pitchers, who almost never reach free agency. Gomez, still must prove he can hit major-league pitching, but the Mets are much more reluctant to trade Martinez, who just reached Class AA last season. Martinez could develop into an offensive machine, and the Mets surely would prefer to keep at least one of their young outfielders after trading Lastings Milledge earlier this off-season.

A month ago I would not have thought it was possible, but now the Mets remain the team most likely to sign Santana. He is just what the Mets need, an ace for a rotation that includes Martinez, Perez, Maine and El Duque. If the Santana deal falls apart I would like to get Lohse, that way they could back up their veteran starters with the kids Pelfrey, Humber and Mulvey, that way they keep Gomez and Martinez. I just don't know if any of those younger pitchers have the stuff to become a No. 1, and the Mets need an ace.

All this is so exciting I can barely keep from peeing myself. :D
 
sonny10305 said:
I can't believe it. looks like we got Santana!
Read more in Saucy's thread

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=200388
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I'm just hoping to read tomorrow that they have signed Santana.They are playing it awfully close with tomorrow's 5pm deadline to work out an extension...but I expect it to be done.Six more years,around $145 million.The Mets have worked out the trade,and they cannot afford to be holding fast to a rigid five year only extension.They owe it to the fans who were so let down by their historic collapse last September.When it's done,the Mets can officially move on and start anew in the eyes of their fans,but only when it's done.
 
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