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Michael Jackson [merged]

Favorite Michael Jackson song?

  • Thriller

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Beat It

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Billie Jean

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Bad

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Smooth Criminal

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Black or White

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • You Are Not Alone

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rock With You

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Other (specify in a comment)

    Votes: 3 27.3%

  • Total voters
    11
  • Poll closed .
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

I'm still not sure either word is totally accurate. MJ has always been 'international', and by virtue of the net, Perez is 'international'. The two of them are of this generation/era and are far more recognisable to the users who dwell in Hot Topics and Celebrity News and Gossip. The likes of Ed and Farrah are of a different generation/era and virtually unknown to those same users.

I'm still referring back to this original post by vanman and the House of Representatives. Why was Michael given a moment of silence when a war hero received nothing? Were Ed and Farrah 'has beens'? Sure, Michael was great in his time, but he's been more of a controversy than an entertainer for the past few decades.

I can understand vanman being perturbed about this and I'm trying to figure out why the other two were ignored when Michael was singled out to be honoured.

How lovely that our great politicians honor a likely pedophile and drug addict....

WASHINGTON (AP) — The House of Representatives paused for a moment of silence Friday to mark entertainer Michael Jackson's death.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iOlvbAybUHXcVLYAJn6GGgcLDTogD992GJ9O0


While Ed McMahon (A fighter pilot in World War 2,with 6-Air Medals)....nothing.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_McMahon

And Farrah dies of Cancer,that can use more funding....
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

I've forgotten all about it already. I think I got carried away with my MJ mourning thanks to the bright red headlines of BBC news!

The funny thing is I see him as a normal human being now. All this legend talk and him being the next Elvis, I don't know MJ but I'm pretty if I were in his shoes, and after all I had go through, I just want die and die like a normal person. The best thing a fan could do is give him everlasting peace. Let him go. Let him die.
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

I'm still referring back to this original post by vanman and the House of Representatives. Why was Michael given a moment of silence when a war hero received nothing? Were Ed and Farrah 'has beens'? Sure, Michael was great in his time, but he's been more of a controversy than an entertainer for the past few decades....
Ah, yes, I can totally appreciate that now. Certainly for a government to behave in that way is disgraceful. A war hero deserved the honour, and Farrah for the dignity and grace that she showed throughout her illness was equally deserving of at least a 'mention in dispatches' (as we would say in the UK).
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

I used the word 'priorities' in my post. I've thought of a better word:

Controversies

Michael and Perez are, admittedly, extremely controversial celebrities.

Farrah and Ed? Not so much. ;)
Comparing Perez to Michael is an insult. Perez is nothing but controversy, Michael at least had talent that made him an international superstar. Hell, he is a superstar in countries that openly hate and wish us death.

Is Perez Hilton even know outside of the west? Hell, I doubt the majority of Europe even knows who he is.

And Farah and Ed didn't even have the career Michael had. After Charlies Angels, I don't know that Farah did much. Not to insult her, or diminsh her contributions to entertainment and culture. And Ed, he was the announcer/sidekick of Johnny Carson. Again, not to insult him or anything. I am sure it wasn't an easy job to keep up with Johnny and all that.

Perez? When he dies, no one will care or remember who he is. He might get a footnote on a news channel in the future.
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

OMG! I just saw in the news that MJ is STILL dead! :eek:
 
Re: Red necks comments on Jackson death vs. JUB

>>>I for one think that MJ will go down as a legend and his music was and always will be good.

I don't trust anybody who thinks anybody's music was uniformly good.

Lex
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU5GfCsb9gA[/ame]
 
Re: Red necks comments on Jackson death vs. JUB

am i the only one thinking that mj did this on purpose? think of elvis, he died at a young age and is now immortalized at the king of rock and roll. mj's career was waning (just like elvis) he was planning a comeback (just like elvis) but he must have known that a comeback would only be temporary (just like elvis'). I wouldnt put it past a super ego to plan his own immortality.


actually, no ... you're not

one of my first reactions was to think of suicide.....

MJ was to start a HUGE round of tours which would have lasted 3 years by one account i read ... does ANYONE really believe MJ could bear up to the burden of all those shows? ... HELL .. the guy could hardly walk without assistance ... he was anorexic and already dying ...

and his tour was to begin july 15th .. less than a month away ... maybe MJ himself didn't believe he could do it, and rather than subject himself to further embarrassment and ridicule that surely would have resulted from a failed performace.... he chose the permanent solution to the temporary problem and took an OD of whatever he was on ...

MJ's music, his family's music and his hype never did anything for me ... i never enjoyed a bit of it ...

having said that, i recognize that there are many millions around the world who, for whatever reason, find him and his "music" appealing ... and they are saddened at his death ... by whatever cause ... and i respect MJ for his talent and the fans for their dedication ... just because it doesn't appeal to me doesn't diminish the man or his talent to the rest of the world ...

i just hope and pray that a scapegoat is not made of his doctor if he really IS blameless .. just to cover up michael's personal failings ... however if he did facilitate MJ's death through incompetent care or administration of lethal combinations of drugs .. he should be held accountable... and what the HELL is jessie jackson doing by putting himself in the limellight before the cameras to interject his own measure of bullshit? ... he needs to just go away ....

regardless of the cause of MJ's death ... he is a symbol of the conflicts of $$$, hype, talent and personality which we see far too often among the rich and famous ... RIP
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

Michael at least had talent that made him an international superstar.

Despite the fact that their controversies were as different as night and day, there's no denying that Michael was also very controversial. If anything, I was comparing Michael and Perez in the same manner that I would compare a chipmunk and a camel when I say they are both animals.
 
Re: [merged] Michael Jackson Dies at 50

Despite the fact that their controversies were as different as night and day, there's no denying that Michael was also very controversial. If anything, I was comparing Michael and Perez in the same manner that I would compare a chipmunk and a camel when I say they are both animals.
I understand why you compared them, it was just insulting to Michael none the less. I don't think MJ ever wanted controversy, Perez lives his life around making it.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

I think is wasn't gay but did have a strange way of thinking, come on sleeping with little kids? that's not right
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

I don't he was gay. And I don't think he was a pedo. Noone can judge him because nobody knew him personally or knew what happened in Neverland. Plus, he wasn't a normal regular guy (and I mean this in the nicest way), so you can't compare him to what every other male adult out there would do. From what I've seen on tv, he seemed like a very innocent and naive old man, almost child-like. His obsession with Peter Pan makes very much sense.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

Michael was quite a ladies man. He dated Tatum O'neal, Brooke Shields and married Lisa Marie Presley.:rolleyes:

And to prove he was a black man he had kids, out of wedlock, with a fat, white, blond woman.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

I'm certain he was gay. And what a terrible life he lived because of it. Here's why.

It could all start with the older brother effect that science is throwing around as a reason why some men turn out gay. Large family with tons of problems and not enough attention. He was also born in a time where it was still considered an abomination to be gay. He was obviously feminine to some extent. And then to become famous at such a young age and miss out on the majority of his childhood. What a terrible life. Constantly hiding who you are, what you are, how you truly feel. The fear of his sexuality becoming public must have frightened the hell out him. Not to mention the self loathing. He hated the way he looked. He hated himself so much that he practically mutilated himself with plastic surgery by the mid 90's. Again, what a terrible life.

This leads me to temptation. Even though he hated himself for so many reasons he was who he was. Everyone has needs. So being in a position of wealth I'm sure he tried secretly to fulfill those needs. And then came the molestation charges. Very sad that he couldn't grow up just enough to forget about being young and missing out on so much. If he just would have desired anyone over the legal age of 18 then his life could have turned out much less tragic. He could have denied rumors of gay sex until blue in the face and people would have believed HIM. But instead, he tried to go after things he missed out on like young childhood experiences. Some of them sexual. And that was his biggest mistake of all. He had every right to hate himself and mutilate himself, but not take the innocence of a child or young teenager.

And that road lead him to his ultimate self destruction. Drugs. So many surgeries, so much pain, such a desire to escape it all. His "health tonic" is ultimately what killed him. That and stress. Ones body can only take so much before it just gives out.

I was not surprised in the least that this happened. I'm glad he's now at the most peace he's ever had. My thoughts are with his legal children who now have to grow up in his wake.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

If the Greeks were writing the story of Michael Jackson's life, it would qualify as a tragedy in every way.

The man was a genious in music, in dance, in choreography and entertaining. Yet at the same time he seemed to be unsatisified in nearly every way -- his looks, his life, his music.

Having watched him grow up -- he was my age -- I saw a boy who was denied his youth; his father and the public expected him to be an entertainer consumed by pleasing them at the expense of running over to a playground and participating in a ball game with other kids. I think it explains Neverland -- he so wanted to be a child again (and who wouldn't -- no cares, no worries, happiness all the time).

Yet for all his fame and all his money, he could never find enough to be happy. It explains his shopping orgies (for lack of a better word). He would simply say "I want" and figured he had all the money in the world. He was a child -- he did not know the value of what he had.

As for his sex life, I think he liked sleeping with little boys because of his lock on being a child. I think back and loved going to friend's houses and staying over night; it wasn't sexual, it was being a kid and having friends.

I'm not sure if his underlying interests were sexual but from all the accounts, it does not appear that sex was the reason for sleeping in his bed. I do think the trauma of childhood possibly was.

As for his sexuality; I don't think he was heterosexual or, if he had any inkling, it, too would not have been able to be satisified. I think he was likely gay but society and his upbringing would not allow him to be that as well; another thing to deny, to push down, to hide. So sad really.

I'm sure there will be book after book and report after report coming out about him; much like Howard Hughes when he died. Knowing who and what was the real Michael will be difficult to unwrap. He went from being a good looking guy to being gorgeous in his first surgeries; then to almost being hideous as time went on. The masks that he wore were heavy...so heavy they eventually pulled him under.....
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

If the Greeks were writing the story of Michael Jackson's life, it would qualify as a tragedy in every way.

The man was a genious in music, in dance, in choreography and entertaining. Yet at the same time he seemed to be unsatisified in nearly every way -- his looks, his life, his music.

Having watched him grow up -- he was my age -- I saw a boy who was denied his youth; his father and the public expected him to be an entertainer consumed by pleasing them at the expense of running over to a playground and participating in a ball game with other kids. I think it explains Neverland -- he so wanted to be a child again (and who wouldn't -- no cares, no worries, happiness all the time).

Yet for all his fame and all his money, he could never find enough to be happy. It explains his shopping orgies (for lack of a better word). He would simply say "I want" and figured he had all the money in the world. He was a child -- he did not know the value of what he had.

As for his sex life, I think he liked sleeping with little boys because of his lock on being a child. I think back and loved going to friend's houses and staying over night; it wasn't sexual, it was being a kid and having friends.

I'm not sure if his underlying interests were sexual but from all the accounts, it does not appear that sex was the reason for sleeping in his bed. I do think the trauma of childhood possibly was.

As for his sexuality; I don't think he was heterosexual or, if he had any inkling, it, too would not have been able to be satisified. I think he was likely gay but society and his upbringing would not allow him to be that as well; another thing to deny, to push down, to hide. So sad really.

I'm sure there will be book after book and report after report coming out about him; much like Howard Hughes when he died. Knowing who and what was the real Michael will be difficult to unwrap. He went from being a good looking guy to being gorgeous in his first surgeries; then to almost being hideous as time went on. The masks that he wore were heavy...so heavy they eventually pulled him under.....

This is completely spot on and I think you have an analysis of his liking to children that makes the most sense.
 
Re: was Michael Jackson gay ?

More like confussed he could not tell himself gay or not.
 
Re: RIP michael jackson!

^^Disneyland isn't run by one man. How can you compare Disneyland to Neverland? They are not even close to being the same thing. And the world is fucked up. People would take hush money for their child being molested. Michael has payed out millions to settle. Michael also didn't deny sleeping in the same bed with that kid. On that point you are right. But probably not for the reasons you think. He probably didn't think what he was doing was wrong. That he loved this child. You didn't make any valid points. Did everyone see Debbie Rowes new comments? Michael was not the father of those kids. Please, if people on here are shocked by that I'm gonna have an aneurism, lol. I never for once thought those kids were his. She's also saying they never had sex and the marriage was staged. Surprise!!! I knew all kinds of stuff would start coming out. All still sound normal?
 
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