On-Topic Missouri Republican’s Controversial Remarks Regarding “Legitimate Rape”

[CowboyBob]

The republicans turned on him lightning fast. They're more concerned about damage control and getting that seat than women's health care so this is nothing surprising.

We now know what Akin and his close colleague AWESOME Paul Ryan honestly believe about abortion.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

Huh? How can it possibly be rape if there was no actual contact? Attempted, maybe.

Using a foreign object, perhaps? Some rapists use dildos, broomsticks and bottles to violate their victims without leaving DNA evidence.

 

[Jack Springer]

The republicans turned on him lightning fast. They're more concerned about damage control and getting that seat than women's health care so this is nothing surprising.

We now know what Akin and his close colleague AWESOME Paul Ryan honestly believe about abortion.

Republicans are showing character.

Democrats didn't show any of that when Biden made the comment about putting blacks "back in chains"

 

[chrisrobin]

I hope Akin does not quit. He is the face of the "mainstream" Republicon Party: Akin > Ryan > Romney.

Daily Kos: Ryan/Akin "Non-Forcible Rape" Bill. Romney & Ryan Agree with Akin

 

[Stardreamer]

The republicans turned on him lightning fast. They're more concerned about damage control and getting that seat than women's health care so this is nothing surprising.

We now know what Akin and his close colleague AWESOME Paul Ryan honestly believe about abortion.

[Laughs] You can't even give Republicans a break for doing the right thing?

 

[chrisrobin]

[Laughs] You can't even give Republicans a break for doing the right thing?

They can't handle the truth. I can't wait until Romney denies everything relative to his approval of H.B. 212. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

 

[CowboyBob]

[Laughs] You can't even give Republicans a break for doing the right thing?

Republicans doing the "right thing" = eating one of their own to minimize damage control and scrambling to shove the controversy under the rug.

You know as well as I that this is exactly what these anti choice people believe. This Akin just said it aloud. Even AWESOME Paul Ryan believes in no abortion at all, not even in the case of rape and incest.

The republicans want that seat soooo bad.

 

[LuvFindsAndyHardy]

Paul Ryan believes in no abortion at all, not even in the case of rape and incest.

ahhhhhhh...but WAIT Bob, now that it's "ROMNEYRYAN", Paul has magically seen the light!

Governor Romney and Congressman Ryan disagree with Mr. Akin’s statement, and a Romney-Ryan administration would not oppose abortion in instances of rape

Sounds like a flip-flop with a little of Paul's conservative cred being sacrificed on the altar of ambition to me.

 

[chrisrobin]

ahhhhhhh...but WAIT Bob, now that it's "ROMNEYRYAN", Paul has magically seen the light!



Sounds like a flip-flop with a little of Paul's conservative cred being sacrificed on the altar of ambition to me.

Akin and Paul worked on House Bill 212 together.

 

[rareboy]

ahhhhhhh...but WAIT Bob, now that it's "ROMNEYRYAN", Paul has magically seen the light!



Sounds like a flip-flop with a little of Paul's conservative cred being sacrificed on the altar of ambition to me.

In this bizarre case of blame the rape victim, the sacrifice of virgins, I suspect.

 

[White Eagle]

Republicans doing the "right thing" = eating one of their own to minimize damage control and scrambling to shove the controversy under the rug.

You know as well as I that this is exactly what these anti choice people believe. This Akin just said it aloud. Even AWESOME Paul Ryan believes in no abortion at all, not even in the case of rape and incest.

The republicans want that seat soooo bad.

I think you will change your position of the right thing after you see this. Romney and Paul are saying they are against Akin, except the people that make up the platform has a completely different idea of whatever ANYBODY says. They want to put personhood into the constitution.

As Romney and Ryan Dissemble, RNC Prepares Radical Anti-Choice Platform Based on Personhood | RH Reality Check

As Romney and Ryan Dissemble, RNC Prepares Radical Anti-Choice Platform Based on Personhood
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by Jodi Jacobson, Editor in Chief, RH Reality Check

August 21, 2012 - 8:51am (Print)

As of today, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan may find themselves in a wee bit of a bind.

For the past two days, the pair have been running around trying to assure the press and ultimately women voters that they really do believe in "real rape," not just "legitimate rape," that they are not as misogynistic as Missouri Rep. Todd Akin, and that, of course, a Romney-Ryan Administration would never eliminate rape and incest exceptions for abortion.

And, now it appears that, all the while, the people really in charge of the GOP—fundamentalist anti-choicers among them—have been writing a party platform that not only makes all of that a lie, but is in effect a promise to make the personhood of fertilized eggs the law of the land.

The draft official platform strongly supports a "a human life amendment" to the Constitution:

 

[CowboyBob]

Defiant Akin says he's staying in race

Defiant Akin says he's staying in race - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

[Laughs] Yeah, is that a republican doing the "right" thing? Why then do they do the "wrong" thing in the first place? This is why I don't give these radical republicans a break.

So the Radical Right approves of rape if it's not forceable? Or is it they just don't think it's rape if it's not forced upon a woman?

I think you will change your position of the right thing after you see this. Romney and Paul are saying they are against Akin, except the people that make up the platform has a completely different idea of whatever ANYBODY says. They want to put personhood into the constitution.

As Romney and Ryan Dissemble, RNC Prepares Radical Anti-Choice Platform Based on Personhood | RH Reality Check

The "right thing" is to get these Radicals out of office by any means possible. To quote another right wing radical....It may even include using our second amendment rights.

Don't retreat; reload.

 

[White Eagle]

Defiant Akin says he's staying in race

Defiant Akin says he's staying in race - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

[Laughs] Yeah, is that a republican doing the "right" thing? Why then do they do the "wrong" thing in the first place? This is why I don't give these radical republicans a break.

So the Radical Right approves of rape if it's not forceable? Or is it they just don't think it's rape if it's not forced upon a woman?



The "right thing" is to get these Radicals out of office by any means possible. To quote another right wing radical....It may even include using our second amendment rights.

Don't retreat; reload.

Ah yes! That's Palinesque.

 

[Kulindahr]

I considered a whole bunch of unpleasant ideas swirling around to a confluence in my head and I asked myself, if I were the Crown Prosecutor would I be motivated to apply a rape charge in some imaginary no-contact situation: Yes, I would.

I think confinement is a necessary element of rape; either by physical means or psychological. A person must reasonably feel or know that their right to withhold consent is being ignored, and they are in a situation they cannot exit. So in a way it is like kidnapping. Given the context, rape might also be called sexual kidnapping.

The sexual nature; the absence or withdrawal of consent; the inability for whatever reason to preserve and enforce one's own autonomy by just leaving - these seem to be the essential elements of rape. It used to be based on a specific gender combination or a specific orifice - distinctions I find outdated and meaningless. To me I think it boils down to those three things, and perhaps only those three things, though this is a new idea to me so I'm certainly open to revisions.

With no sex, no consent, and no door, it's kidnapping or unlawful confinement.
With no sex, consent, and no door, it's a denial dominatrix.
With no sex, no consent, and a door, it's a boring date that ends early.
With sex, consent, and no door, it's kinky bondage play from the fetish forum.
With sex, no consent, and a door, it's indecent exposure or attempted rape.
With sex, no consent, and no door, it's rape.

So what if one is confined and made to bear witness to or display sexual behaviour in violation of the person's choice? When someone shows indifference to consent and thus perverts human contact it certainly counts as rape. But contact is perhaps not the only intrusion to merit the label of rape. Is physical contact a meaningful threshold in that situation?

(BTW I assume by "skin to skin" you mean any physical contact: semen to skin; skin to hair, covered hand to skin)

Again, I'm grateful for any input on an aspect of something I've not previously considered.

I'd prosecute it as sexual assault.

 

[Kulindahr]

Now he believes it... now he doesn't! It's the amazing [STRIKE]two-[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]three-[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]four-[/STRIKE] many-faced presidential candidate!

 

[rareboy]

Oh this is too perfect.

He's shooting himself and the Republican Party right in the foot.

I'm so glad that he's running.

Except I'll bet he still has to cave.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Representative Todd Akin, ... resisted pressure from fellow Republicans to drop out of the Missouri Senate race on Tuesday ...

Despite calls from throughout the Republican Party for him to step out of the contest against Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill, Akin - a staunch opponent of abortion - vowed to stay in the race, saying he represented a conservative movement that must be heard.

"We are going to continue in this race for U.S. Senate," Akin said on a radio program hosted by former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, an Akin supporter and favorite of religious conservatives.

Akin won't quit Missouri Senate race over rape comments | Top News | Reuters

And once again, there is Huckabee in there like a dirty undergarment.

 

[chrisrobin]

Defiant Akin says he's staying in race.

Governor Etch-a-Sketch has asked Defiant Akin to quit the campaign.

Mitt Romney: Todd Akin should exit Missouri Senate race - The Denver Post

Trouble is, Romney and Ryan have the same beliefs on women's issues as Akin!

Oops!

 

[White Eagle]

I heard on TV just about 20 min ago that Ryan informed him to quit the ract.

 

[FuryOfFirestorm]

 

[CowboyBob]

Governor Etch-a-Sketch has asked Defiant Akin to quit the campaign.

Mitt Romney: Todd Akin should exit Missouri Senate race - The Denver Post

Trouble is, Romney and Ryan have the same beliefs on women's issues as Akin!

Oops!

The difference is Akin said publicly what the Radical Right believes. Romney and AWESOME Ryan won't say it publicly. They're two faced cowards.

This is nothing more than Mr Money Bags putting on a show for the voters.