Mitch McConnell finally confirms he wants to repeal health insurance for 500,000 Kentuckians

[Benvolio]

You may regard the auto certificate as an implicit tax, if you wish. I would not. The insurance mandate is closer, since those who do not buy insurance must pay the fine or tax imposed. Employed people not not have the right to opt out as by not driving the car.
If you accept that some healthy young people chose illegitimacy, welfare and/or crime rather than working for entry level wages, then the requirement that employed people buy insurance provides an additional disincentive to work.

 

[Benvolio]

And slavery is a democrat idea.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

^ way off in the twilight zone. There was no slavery before the Democratic Party? Its a relative new thing, and there is no evolution that something that was can't or won't morph into another direction?

Originally Posted by Benvolio View Post
The conclusion that that would have the effect of causing many young people to resort to welfare/crime/underground economy is a hypothetical since I also point out that the Obamacare solution is to subsidize the policies for low income people. But I point out that, even now, many young people do not choose to work, and that problem would necessarily be exacerbated if they were forced to surrender a large part for insurance. Many girls now choose to collect welfare for illegitimate children, as high as 72+ percent of births for some groups. We also know that many young men resort to crime when they cannot find work for wages they consider sufficient--as high as a third for some groups.

… I suppose with effort I could find others saying the above

I hear you. Lets use a example, such as RENT BOYS. Now you know they are all legit and file taxes above the table (sarcasm). I mean they could work at McDonald's for $7.89 a hr or Oil can Henry's lubing cars for $8.25 a hour but no they work in that under world economy paying no tax and making $150 - 300 + a hour lubing up (ageism) old well off men with services such as suck and jack .
Its scandalous and must be reported to the IRS those free loader.
I'm with you and would never support scoundrels like that. I mean if a john beats the shit of them after making good money they end up in the ER with no health insurance. We all have to pay for that sort of stuff.
What say you Benvolio?

 

[T-Rexx]

And slavery is a democrat idea.

Pretty much every evil thing that has ever existed comes from the Democratic Party.

Well, Democrats and immigrants.

 

[Benvolio]

^ way off in the twilight zone. There was no slavery before the Democratic Party? Its a relative new thing, and there is no evolution that something that was can't or won't morph into another direction?




I hear you. Lets use a example, such as RENT BOYS. Now you know they are all legit and file taxes above the table (sarcasm). I mean they could work at McDonald's for $7.89 a hr or Oil can Henry's lubing cars for $8.25 a hour but no they work in that under world economy paying no tax and making $150 - 300 + a hour lubing up (ageism) old well off men with services such as suck and jack .
Its scandalous and must be reported to the IRS those free loader.
I'm with you and would never support scoundrels like that. I mean if a john beats the shit of them after making good money they end up in the ER with no health insurance. We all have to pay for that sort of stuff.
What say you Benvolio?

My point is that, to use your example, if the guy works at McDonalds or the other, he not only gets low wages,and pays part in taxes, but now under Obamacare, he must buy insurance to help people with preexisting illness. It provides yet another incentive to resort to crime or the underground economy, such as escorting.

 

[Benvolio]

Pretty much every evil thing that has ever existed comes from the Democratic Party.

Well, Democrats and immigrants.

Actually I was trying to show you the dishonesty of trying to blame the Republicans for Obamacare. It is like blaming all democrats for slavery.

 

[vulgar_newcomer]

My point is that, to use your example, if the guy works at McDonalds or the other, he not only gets low wages,and pays part in taxes, but now under Obamacare, he must buy insurance to help people with preexisting illness. It provides yet another incentive to resort to crime or the underground economy, such as escorting.

Your point is bunk. Of course the assumption of needing more medical care increases with age. But to totally think that the younger person doesn't get sick or take more risk resulting in injury that requires a lot of expensive health care to rehabilitate is absurd.
Check out any statistics for who gets busted up in drug alcohol related injuries or car crashes. Whats the average age for snow board or jet sky accidents? Illness is easier to recover from in your 20's compared to 60's but what world do you live on where you can make such blanket statements? Propaganda on the far right blogger. Did you not have any kid , siblings,or young people friends growing up and see how many times they were hurt or sick?
How about all the gun shot injuries rather criminal or not, just because you don't die doesn't mean that you won't incur huge medical bills.
You must live in a fucking isolated box way out in the hinterlands. Everyone I know has had medical issues of some form requiring health care as a young person. Most didn't have any health insurance but when they broke a leg, needed stitches, caught a STD, had the flu, fungal infection, car crash, still went for medical care.

 

[Benvolio]

I realize Faux news won't let you hear actual stories, but you could do some research on your own. I didn't blame Republicans for the Affordable Care Act, I merely pointed out that it was always a Republican idea, as it was when Mitt Romney implemented it in MA. The Democrats wanted Universal Health Care, but had to settle for the Republican version.

"The mandate made its political début in a 1989 Heritage Foundation brief titled “Assuring Affordable Health Care for All Americans,” as a counterpoint to the single-payer system and the employer mandate, which were favored in Democratic circles. In the brief, Stuart Butler, the foundation’s health-care expert, argued, “Many states now require passengers in automobiles to wear seat-belts for their own protection. Many others require anybody driving a car to have liability insurance. But neither the federal government nor any state requires all households to protect themselves from the potentially catastrophic costs of a serious accident or illness. Under the Heritage plan, there would be such a requirement.” The mandate made its first legislative appearance in 1993, in the Health Equity and Access Reform Today Act—the Republicans’ alternative to President Clinton’s health-reform bill—which was sponsored by John Chafee, of Rhode Island, and co-sponsored by eighteen Republicans, including Bob Dole, who was then the Senate Minority Leader."

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/06/25/unpopular-mandate

<Waits for brain to explode>

I have previously admitted that some Republicans in the past had advocated some aspects of Obamacare, but your act if far, far more complex, with taxes and mandates, running to something like 1900 pages of law and upwards of 20,00 pages of regulation. So, it is dishonest to say that Obamacare is a Republican statute.

 

[Benvolio]

Your point is bunk. Of course the assumption of needing more medical care increases with age. But to totally think that the younger person doesn't get sick or take more risk resulting in injury that requires a lot of expensive health care to rehabilitate is absurd.
Check out any statistics for who gets busted up in drug alcohol related injuries or car crashes. Whats the average age for snow board or jet sky accidents? Illness is easier to recover from in your 20's compared to 60's but what world do you live on where you can make such blanket statements? Propaganda on the far right blogger. Did you not have any kid , siblings,or young people friends growing up and see how many times they were hurt or sick?
How about all the gun shot injuries rather criminal or not, just because you don't die doesn't mean that you won't incur huge medical bills.
You must live in a fucking isolated box way out in the hinterlands. Everyone I know has had medical issues of some form requiring health care as a young person. Most didn't have any health insurance but when they broke a leg, needed stitches, caught a STD, had the flu, fungal infection, car crash, still went for medical care.

Nevertheless less, healthy young people on their own without coercion tend not to buy insurance, since they have entry level income and many ways they would prefer to spend. Forcing them to buy insurance provides them an incentive to look for ways to avoid it. And Obamacare premiums will be much higher than they would be if they were based on the actual risks to healthy young people. That excess is need yo give coverage for pre existing illness.

 

[Benvolio]

So, one word out of 2,000 pages.

 

[Kulindahr]

Your point is bunk. Of course the assumption of needing more medical care increases with age. But to totally think that the younger person doesn't get sick or take more risk resulting in injury that requires a lot of expensive health care to rehabilitate is absurd.
Check out any statistics for who gets busted up in drug alcohol related injuries or car crashes. Whats the average age for snow board or jet sky accidents? Illness is easier to recover from in your 20's compared to 60's but what world do you live on where you can make such blanket statements? Propaganda on the far right blogger. Did you not have any kid , siblings,or young people friends growing up and see how many times they were hurt or sick?
How about all the gun shot injuries rather criminal or not, just because you don't die doesn't mean that you won't incur huge medical bills.
You must live in a fucking isolated box way out in the hinterlands. Everyone I know has had medical issues of some form requiring health care as a young person. Most didn't have any health insurance but when they broke a leg, needed stitches, caught a STD, had the flu, fungal infection, car crash, still went for medical care.

This was an issue with student health insurance when I was at university: they kept premiums tolerable by putting caps on pay-outs. A couple of guys in the co-op system when I was there had skiing accidents, and student insurance didn't pay for all their expenses because they went over the cap.

 

[Kulindahr]

I have previously admitted that some Republicans in the past had advocated some aspects of Obamacare, but your act if far, far more complex, with taxes and mandates, running to something like 1900 pages of law and upwards of 20,00 pages of regulation. So, it is dishonest to say that Obamacare is a Republican statute.

It's ignorant to say it's not.

Wait -- is it "ignorant", or is it "dishonest"???

 

[chrisrobin]

Why was there no pissing and moaning like this when mandatory health insurance was introduced in Massachusetts? (I think it was also known as Romneycare.)

By the way, Vermont already has single payer health insurance. Sorry to disappoint anyone, but there was no "government takeover." Only the insurance companies are not pleased.

Lord, this "dialog" is [STRIKE]getting[/STRIKE] tiresome.

 

[chrisrobin]