MODERN TEA PARTY HISTORY: the definitive edition

[BostonPirate]

During the time that the tea party began, this is something that occured that bears significantly on the development of the movement. This is the political backdrop that was occuring that drove that fundraiser to occur and garnered so much attention at the time.

Controversial claims made in Ron Paul's newsletters, written in the first person, included statements such as "Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day." Along with "even in my little town of Lake Jackson, Texas, I've urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming." [123] Another notable statement that garnered controversy was "opinion polls consistently show only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, if you have ever been robbed by a black teen-aged male, you know how unbelievably fleet-footed they can be" [124] An issue from 1992 refers to carjacking as the "hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos." [125] In an article title "The Pink House" the newsletter wrote that " "Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities." [124] These publications would later create political problems for Paul.
At the end of 2007, both the New York Sun and the New York Times Magazine reprinted passages from early 1990s publications of Paul's newsletters, attacking them for content deemed racist.[7] These were the same newsletters that had been used against Paul in his 1996 congressional campaign.
On January 8, 2008, the day of the New Hampshire primary, The New Republic published a story by James Kirchick quoting from selected newsletters published under Paul's name.[44][126]
Shortly afterwards, The New Republic released many previously unpublicized quotations attributed to Paul in James Kirchick's "Angry White Man" article.[127] Kirchick accused Paul of having made racist, sexist, and derogatory comments geared towards African Americans, women, and the LGBT community.[128] Kircheck also accused Paul of possessing "an obsession with conspiracies, sympathy for the right-wing militia movement, and deeply held bigotry."[128] Paul's presidential campaign[44] took the position that the Kirchick story was simply a "rehash" of a political attack received during his 1996 campaign.
Responding to the charges in a CNN interview, Paul denied any involvement in authoring the passages. Additionally, Paul's campaign claimed through a press release that the quotations had come from an unnamed ghostwriter and without Paul's consent. Paul again denounced and disavowed the "small-minded thoughts," citing his 1999 House speech praising Rosa Parks for her courage; he said the charges simply "rehashed" the decade-old Morris attack.[129] CNN anchor Wolf Blitzer expressed his disbelief during the interview that Paul would have made such statements.[130] Later, Nelson Linder, president of the Austin chapter of the NAACP, also defended Paul.[131]
Reason republished Paul's 1996 defense of the newsletters,[132] and later reported evidence from "a half-dozen longtime libertarian activists" that Lew Rockwell had been the chief ghostwriter.[44] Although Rockwell denies this charge, and "has characterized discussion of the newsletters as 'hysterical smears aimed at political enemies.'"[133]
Paul had given his own account of the newsletters in March 2001, stating the documents were authored by ghostwriters, and that while he did not author the challenged passages, he bore "some moral responsibility" for their publication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul

 

[BostonPirate]

Ron Paul's Campaign Manager, 49, Dies Uninsured, Of Pneumonia, Leaving family $400,000 Debt

here are some highlights....

Kent Snyder did some amazing work on the Ron Paul Campaign and is remembered as a "libertarian giant"- by Lew Rockwell, on the libertarian site, Lew Rockwell.com.

The Wall Street journal reports that Kent, more than anyone else, persuaded Ron Paul to run for president. And Kent, according the the WSJ, developed what "ultimately became a $35 million operation with 250 employees that helped deliver more than one million votes for the Texas congressman's bid in the Republican nominating contest."-

Ron Paul posted this message about Snyder on his website: ""Like so many in our movement, Kent sacrificed much for the cause of liberty, Kent poured every ounce of his being into our fight for freedom. He will always hold a place in my heart and in the hearts of my family."

Sadly, the Libertarian heart apparently does not include health care. The poor guy raised tens of millions of dollars and couldn't afford the $300-$600 a month that COBRA medical insurance would have cost.

so this is the guy that started it and he died. The fundraiser that became a movement lost its leader and the general theme was hijacked by an entirely different movement once the Ron Paul candidacy ended and Mr Kent passed away.

Now we are getting closer to the story that JB and Kulindahr have been describing.

Does anyone know what Mr Kents personal philosophies were that are DIFFERENT than the current tea party? Is this the SAME movement or has it been hijacked by the people given at the feb 16th date?

was this guys idea stolen by another group of people?

where is that proof?

 

[jizzeater]

so the founder of the tea party movement was Ron Paul's fundraiser and his presidential campaign platform was the basis for the entire movement to begin.

C'mon, man. Let's not go there. The Tea Party began with Ron Paul and his presidential campaign.

Do you remember the time after the 2008 election? The GOP was decimated. They had to pick themselves up and try to figure out a way to get back in the game after getting their ass kicked by Obama.

Here it is 2 years later, and they've done just that. How did it happen? By co-opting Ron Paul's message, and harnessing the enthusiasm, fund-raising power of his followers, and the Tea Party concept that were such a media sensation during the 2008 campaign season.

Palin and the GOP looking to the future
November 13, 2008

The 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee, who has been on a whirlwind series of postelection television interviews, traveled to Florida this week for the three-day Republican Governors Association meeting, where she is scheduled to participate in a panel discussion today titled, "Looking Towards the Future: The GOP in Transition."

<snip>

A week after Election Day, Republicans are doing some soul-searching after losing the White House and seeing their numbers decrease in the Senate and House. Many in the GOP are looking to their governors for a fresh direction for the party and the best prospects for winning the presidency in 2012.

<snip>

As Republicans gathered in Miami to talk about what went wrong and what to do next, Ron Paul put in his two cents, arguing that the party strayed from its core principles after winning power during the Bush presidency - and must return to those beliefs to regain voters' trust.

Paul, a Texas congressman, developed a core of dedicated supporters and a formidable online fund-raising operation during the GOP presidential primaries, then held a counter-rally during the party's national convention.

"The Republican Congress never once stood up against the Bush/Rove machine that demanded support for unconstitutional wars; attacks on civil liberties here at home; and an economic policy based on more spending, more debt, and more inflation - while constantly preaching the flawed doctrine that deficits don't matter as long as taxes aren't raised," he wrote in a commentary for CNN. "But what the Republican leadership didn't realize was that ALL spending is a tax on middle-class Americans through price inflation, and that eventually the inevitable consequence is paying for the extravagance with a financial crisis."

http://www.boston.com/news/politics...1/13/palin_and_the_gop_looking_to_the_future/

 

[BostonPirate]

Ron pauls message was what was carried, but lets remember this is billed as a grass roots movement, and you have revealed that to be a flat out lie.

it was never a grass roots movement. it was a fundraising day title made up by the guy in charge of fund raising to make Mr Paul president in a national campaign that raised 6 mill in one day

If I am not wrong, I think we may find a more pure libertarian message in Mr kent than we will in mr Paul, so don't be dismissive just yet.

 

[jizzeater]

So, this is where you're going to take this? You began this thread asking for proof regarding the Tea Party movement origins, and I gave it. Now you want to take this in another direction and attack Ron Paul, and look for the "real mastermind" pulling his strings?

Jeez.

 

[BostonPirate]

So, this is where you're going to take this? You began this thread asking for proof regarding the Tea Party movement origins, and I gave it. Now you want to take this in another direction and attack Ron Paul, and look for the "real mastermind" pulling his strings?

Jeez.

its origins, and its meanings, its messages, and whether or not it is what it began as.

That is the issue at hand... was the tea party idea hijacked by someone else, and if so, what and who were they.

I don't see any real wrong in anything Mr Paul did there. He had a ghost writer who went haywire and many people came to his deffence.

What I am seeing is the posibility that THIS is where the hijacking of the idea may have begun.

chill your jets, buddy... this is not going to be a short trip to find the answers that are needed to figure all this out.

Why does Ron Paul have to be the good guy OR the bad guy.

one thing I know for sure.... His son considers himself a member of the organisation, so there is continuity there for arguing that the group was NOT hijacked, and if THAT is the case then there have been racist and ugly tones from the beginning.

but there is still alot to figure out, wouldn't you say?

the road is leading in about three directions right now

BTW... thanks for that reasearch. You found things I could not, so you knew where to look. That was something others have not done when trying to explain this evolution of the teaparty to me.

 

[bendted]

I thought they came out of Glen Beck's 9/12 project.

 

[BostonPirate]

I thought they came out of Glen Beck's 9/12 project.

that is so much later....HA

Beck can only be described as someone eagerly trying to get mileage out of someone elses hard labor and work.

Beck is obviously an oportunist, BUT!!!!!

I recall Fox shutting Paul out of the Republican presidential debate it held, and Beck disagreed with that and in return, he gave him his hour as an interview.

Does anyone remember that? AAHHHH

back to google

 

[BostonPirate]

there it is.....

Paul was largely ignored by traditional media, including at least one incident where FOX News did not invite him to a GOP debate featuring all other presidential candidates at the time.[104] One exception was Glenn Beck's program on Headline News, where Beck interviewed Paul for the full hour of his show.[105]

so fox and beck were involved from the beginning....lol

what a big circle this is going in.

 

[jizzeater]

one thing I know for sure.... His son considers himself a member of the organisation, so there is continuity there for arguing that the group was NOT hijacked, and if THAT is the case then there have been racist and ugly tones from the beginning.

but there is still alot to figure out, wouldn't you say?

the road is leading in about three directions right now

It seems to be that you have chosen the destination, and are looking for any road that leads there:

I guaranttee you it is proof that their sole existence is based on hate for one man, that being the black president Obama.

With that, I'll depart this thread.

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P.S. If you watch the video of that interview, Beck tried to sabotage Ron Paul's campaign, labeling his supporters as terrorists, and accusing them of calling him with death threats.

 

[altlover85]

ok heres your chance guys... I am one of the independents that you need. My hatred for the republicans means I am ripe for the picking if you can prove your independence from them and show me a unique history and identity that is NOT reliant upon the republican machine for its existence.

IF nothing but crickets and democrats post in this thread, then I guaranttee you it is proof that their sole existence is based on hate for one man, that being the black president Obama.

It has been shown that it started as a Ron Paul fundraiser and was independent of the Republican machine and that it's sole existence did not just rise out of Obama's election. Why do you have the need to go in a different direction in this thread when your original assertion have been proven wrong?

so fox and beck were involved from the beginning....lol
what a big circle this is going in.

What does that prove? What was the substance of their interview? Was it similar to the current rhetoric? If not, you don't have proof of any substantive link.

 

[BostonPirate]

because its not a simple answer.

I dont have a substantive link that beck was there with Ron Paul in his bid for the republican primary?

REALLY?

I want to know what the beginnings of this group are, were, and how they got to where they are now.

Ron Paul is the founder, who ran for the republican primary and lost. His son Rand is a teaparty candidate for the senate.

where is the divergence?

what we DO know is that there are/were vulgar and obscene racist signs brought to the rallies. anyone that tries to deny that at this point is just blind.

what I want to know is where and when that happened.

 

[BostonPirate]

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[BostonPirate]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg8M2JBIoqo&feature=related[/ame]

 

[BostonPirate]

this is all very interesting and at this point I have one question that I hope someone has an answer for...

If the movement started with the 2007 teaparty fundraiser by Ron Paul, then why did the 2009 people call themselves Tea baggers until they figured out what that meant sexually?

 

[MercuryJones]

It has been shown that it started as a Ron Paul fundraiser and was independent of the Republican machine and that it's sole existence did not just rise out of Obama's election. Why do you have the need to go in a different direction in this thread when your original assertion have been proven wrong?

Maybe because it's a question of what "it" is.

Whatever started as a Ron Paul fundraiser isn't what "it" is now.

So do you count what it is by its name, or by when it became what it is today?

 

[BostonPirate]

I know a few definite things at this point....

There was a Ron Paul fundraiser called a tea party that raised 6 mill in 2007.

During that time there were alot of murky racist things being said in Ron Pauls newsletters for years, and they were used against him by the other candidates in the race in 2008.

Fox black balled Paul from their debates and beck was alternately confrontational and supportive of Ron Paul in interviews in 2008

the NEW teabagger movement started on feb 16 2009, and, after being haranged by the likes of Maddow and Olbermann, they changed their name to the tea party.

I am having a hard time making a straight line here, but there are three things that have remained in the mix the entire time....

One... there has always been a Paul associated with the movement no matter what and when it was and who was in charge of it.

two.... There has been a swirl of racism around the participants from the very beginning

three.... Beck has wanted to be associated with it since the beginning.

their message is all that is left to compare....

I need the Ron Paul platform for president, and I need the current tea party manifesto....

 

[opinterph]

I need the current tea party manifesto....

I honestly think there is more than one. The evolution of the movement(s) is yet incomplete.

 

[altlover85]

It has been shown that it started as a Ron Paul fundraiser and was independent of the Republican machine and that it's sole existence did not just rise out of Obama's election. Why do you have the need to go in a different direction in this thread when your original assertion have been proven wrong?



What does that prove? What was the substance of their interview? Was it similar to the current rhetoric? If not, you don't have proof of any substantive link.

because its not a simple answer.

I dont have a substantive link that beck was there with Ron Paul in his bid for the republican primary?

REALLY?

I want to know what the beginnings of this group are, were, and how they got to where they are now.

Ron Paul is the founder, who ran for the republican primary and lost. His son Rand is a teaparty candidate for the senate.

where is the divergence?

what we DO know is that there are/were vulgar and obscene racist signs brought to the rallies. anyone that tries to deny that at this point is just blind.

what I want to know is where and when that happened.

I think you misunderstood me. I was trying to show you that Ron Paul's movement evolved into the current tea party movement. I meant any link that you showed between Beck, Fox, and the Tea Party was tenuous at best because the party has changed from what it was originally.

After watching the first video, I found that a lot of what Beck and Paul were talking about weren't related to the current Tea Party, except in name. I think the party itself has evolved. Ron and Rand aren't the same person. People can disagree with their fathers.

Maybe because it's a question of what "it" is.

Whatever started as a Ron Paul fundraiser isn't what "it" is now.

So do you count what it is by its name, or by when it became what it is today?

I think the current party is an evolution of the original party.

I am having a hard time making a straight line here, but there are three things that have remained in the mix the entire time....

One... there has always been a Paul associated with the movement no matter what and when it was and who was in charge of it.

two.... There has been a swirl of racism around the participants from the very beginning

three.... Beck has wanted to be associated with it since the beginning.

their message is all that is left to compare....

I need the Ron Paul platform for president, and I need the current tea party manifesto....

The fact that there has been a Paul associated proves what?

There were some racists, but Ron Paul is not one.

Beck wants to stand up for the "people" (whose views are the same as his or who he can convince to think like him) but I think he's moved farther to the right since his HLN days.

 

[Kulindahr]

ok heres your chance guys... I am one of the independents that you need. My hatred for the republicans means I am ripe for the picking if you can prove your independence from them and show me a unique history and identity that is NOT reliant upon the republican machine for its existence.

Just saying they were around before Obama took office is not enough, becuase that is when the hate signs first started showing up at the McCain rallies. I want to know that they are not WED to a party, and that they are WED TO AN IDEOLOGY.

IF nothing but crickets and democrats post in this thread, then I guaranttee you it is proof that their sole existence is based on hate for one man, that being the black president Obama.

I am asking you to be positive and shine. I have been convinced to change my mind on topics in this forum by four people so far.... Construct, Opinterph, Kulindahr, and Moltenrock.

I AM moveable if your argument has logic backed up by facts, and is presented in a non confrontational manner.

so lets have this discussion once and for all and then use all the documentation we collect as a point of reference as we move into the elections.

I'm dubious about your openness right off since you essentially begin by equating the Tea Party with hate.