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anthonyvb said:
Never being an ex-gay leader or a publically professing ex-gay I didn't feel the need to apologise........I have though told my story honestly and openly ....warts and all. People will be able to make thier own judgements from that I guess.....after reading the entire story from early childhood to current day.
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got it.

so you're more of a victim and less of a victimizer.

OK, I'll remove you from that list of people who's arms I wanna rip off that I was talking about above.

I'm not sure I know much more.. I'll have to take a closer look.

If you never once talked about how you were cured and encouraged people to also go to the brain butchers, I'll give you a pass. Past that, even a simple country minister who's trying to make people make the same mistakes he's made... well..
 
"questioning?"

Oh for fuck's sake.

what I have to be nice to the lily-liver people too?

"Oh, I dont' know what I am... lables are for clothes... can't you make a category for me too?"








If anyone needs me, I'll be in my trailer.
 
Soilwork said:
fuck.

What do the "I" and the "Q" stand for?

this boat is getting a bit crowded.
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Ha. I was at some academic forum on gay issues and I remember seeing LGBTTSIQASGL on a pamphlet. Gotta love academia.

And the "I" stands for "Intersexed".
 
Soilwork said:
fuck.

What do the "I" and the "Q" stand for?

this boat is getting a bit crowded.
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The I stands for intersex, or someone who is neither exclusively male nor female (genetically or through genitals). Aka 'hermaphrodites'. Note there are dozens of forms of hermaphroditism due to genetic, prenatal environment, and afterwards. Some of them are fertile and look like a normal male or female, some of them hormonally are similar to a normal male or female till they hit puberty, or in the 40s, some of them are less clear if they are more similar to a male or a female through genitally...also some definitions of intersex include people whose sex organs/secondary sexual characteristic dont' fully develop even though chromosomally they are fully male/female, also a few but not many include turner's syndrome (only 1 x)

I just find it really sad and at the same time gross, not something I want to think about and at the same time I really pity them.
 
Roland00 said:
The I stands for intersex, or someone who is neither exclusively male nor female (genetically or through genitals). Aka 'hermaphrodites'. Note there are dozens of forms of hermaphroditism due to genetic, prenatal environment, and afterwards.
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Got it.

Ok, they can stay.

the "questioning" people will have to choose a label, grow some balls or just cut them off.
 
anthonyvb said:
i was joking....hence the :D

one of the problems we face communicating on the internet......humour.
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And how easily things are misunderstood, and ravenstar you can only edit post for about ten minutes after you post them.
 
anthonyvb said:
.......even some in the gay community. Its the latter that i have trouble understanding....
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well, then, let me explain.

I hate very few groups of people, but Ex-gays are at the top of my list.

I hate them.

I really do.

They're cowards. They're liars. They're weak and spineless.

They're people who allow others to give them their opinions and are incapable of thinking for themselves. They're incapable of LIVING for themselves.

But THAT isn't why I hate them.

I hate them because they're not just cowards who do themselves damage and kill themselves.. Then I'd just feel sorry for them. I hate them because they inflict their self-hatred on a whole community.

they allow themselves to willingly be used as weapons against those of us who came out and lived our adult lives with some honesty and dignity from the beginning. Unable to live life on their own terms, they ruin the lives of the people (and their families) who have the guts that they dont' have.

I don't want to hear that I just don't understand how hard it was for you.

You think it was easy to come out at 18? It wasn't. But I did it and so could have all the Ex-gays out there who caved in to pressure from the haters. (and yes, I live in Los Angeles, but I grew up in a farming village of 1,700 people in Northern Canada.)

Trust me, your inability to come out has hurt us. A lot.

And your coming out later in life hurt the gay community too. Gay men who use women to cover up make all gay people look like users.. like liars.. people who carelessly trample over the lives of others. They make gay men look deceitful and selfish.

I don't mean to dump on you.. but you say you don't understand why you aren't just welcomed into the community that you helped destroy for so long... why should you be?

Sorry, but you shit in your own pants and you're going to walk a few miles in them before the gay community is willing to forgive you.

I see that you're trying to make things right, and I'll give you props for that. But the scars run very deep and healing takes a very long time.


I don't know your personal story and maybe some of this doesn't apply to you. Maybe none of it does. But as I've said before.. Lie down with dogs, get fleas. Most Ex-gays are in that group.. You'll have to forgive me for not giving you the benefit of the doubt just yet.
 
anthonyvb said:
this quote below would have to be the most profound piece i've ever read.people who exist at the margins of society are very much like Alice in Wonderland. They are not required to make the tough decision to risk their lives by embarking on an adventure of self-discovery. They have already been thrust beyond the city’s walls that keep ordinary people at a safe distance from the unknown. For at least some outsiders, “alienation” has destroyed traditional presumptions of identity and opened up the mythic hero’s path to the possibility of discovery. What outsiders discover in their adventures on the other side of the looking glass is the courage to repudiate self-contempt and recognise their “alienation” as a precious gift of freedom from arbitrary norms that they did not make and did not sanction. At the moment a person questions the validity of the rules, the victim is no longer a victim.’

‘The Mythology of Transgression – Homosexuality as a Metaphor’
by Jamake Highwater
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Well, with all due respect to Jamake Highwater.... What a steaming load of horseshit. :cool:

"People who exist at the margins of society are very much like 'Alice in Wonderland'...."

Mmm hmm...

'Margins of society' ??

"For at least some outsiders, 'alienation' has destroyed traditional presumptions of identity and opened up the mythic hero's path to the possibility of discovery."

Umm.

yes
 
A couple of days ago CNN aired a programme entitled 'gay conversions'. I didn't have the time to watch it, but it should be available to view on the news channel's web site. I'm having trouble viewing the videos, but in case it's just my computer rebelling you may want to check out this link...
 
anthonyvb, it sounds like you're just really promoting your new ways. It's tacky and you're just dodging all the points that have been made by Soilwork with whom I have to agree. You really don't seem to grasp or don't want to grasp the severity of the situation. It affects everyone. Even how people look at themselves as gays. Instead your coming out saying "Read my book. Read my book! People say it's saved lives!" so what? Seriously man, so what? Personally I'm not interested in reading something that already sounds so self aggrandizing. And as it's been said before people have died. People have commited suicide, people have been bashed, young people have been forced into these institutions and what? The lives that you're now saving with your book are somehow helping these lives that have gone down because of work that if you were not directly involved with at least were aware of without saying anything?

Dude. Really.
 
I have a simple question to those of you that seem to dislike Anthony what would you like see happen to him outside of death. I am banned from here...banned from the gay commmunity? Sent back into the cloest? He made a mistake I know a big one but guess what he's human we all are think about that and also think about the next time you pick up that "stone" and say to yourself am I without sin?



As for me Anthony go forth and sin no more.
 
This is starting to remind me of another conversation..



she's a self-serving scumbag who also has a book to sell and won't answer any questions buy sure says "Buy my book" an awful lot.
 
JohanLarson said:
Soilwork, I see your point, too, but I think you're being a little bit unfair. You don't understand the psychology of the Christian cult. On the other hand, you're absolutely right about the suicides.
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Do you think I was hatched out of an egg in West Hollywood or something?

I grew up in an oppressive rural town under the stranlge-hold of the extreme conservative leadership of the Baptist church. I get the fucking Christian Cult thing.

I also get that some people don't have my own personal strength of character.

That being said, I'm not being unfair at all.

You know what? When I came out I was barraged from my family with all sorts of suggestions and demands that I go get "fixed." My family (aside from my little brother who's stayed by my side through everything) rejected me because I "chose" to stay gay since spineless losers who claimed to have been cured by Jesus told them that "there is a way out of homosexuality." Trust me, Ex-gays deserve my ire and I seldom hold back from giving people what they deserve.

I'm ALLOWED to tell Ex-gays that they have helped create the extreme anti-gay atmosphere in this world because THEY are the ones who fucked it up.

Men who come out later in life after using a woman and children as props in the performace that was their "life" only make things worse. Sometimes I feel like I should tell them that they made their decision and they should live with it. That they should go back into the closet and just deal with the consequences of their deceitful lives.

Yes, I realize that Anthony has seen the error of his ways and wrote a little book about it, but to all the fallen soldiers out there who he hurt... it's a bit too little and a lot too late.

Maybe one day I can see it in myself to just shrug it off. But I really hope I'm never that apathetic.
 
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