Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Rights

[Shafted]

Re: Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Right

Catholicism has a rich heritage of scholarship; in addition, there's no way to become a priest without having a fairly sharp mind, and no way to become a bishop without a fairly sharp mind and a touch of scholarship. The ability to reason is highly valued -- just look at the Jesuits and the Benedictines.

The LDS has no real theology, no tradition of scholarship -- in fact they go to great efforts to fight scholarship, especially in the areas of ancient language and archaeology.

This is very true. Catholics made ground-breaking discoveries in philosophy, astronomy, biology, and genetics. Even certain dogmas of the Church, no matter how silly, have certain thoughtful depths behind them and have been forged in fiery debate within the Church.

Mormons are still trying to explain how it's possible for an entire civilization to disappear without leaving one shred of evidence that they actually existed.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Right

I can't argue that Kuli..

Especially in a Church where 12 year olds are Priests and 19 year old boys are 'ELDERS'..(Mormons)

Nonetheless, I think it's foolish to dismiss them.They obviously are better organized than the Southern California Kids.

I'm hardly dismissing them. I just disputed your characterization... which seemed a bit dismissive itself.

One nice thing about not living with my mom, now that dad is gone and she found a good retirement place, is that when Mormons come to the door she won't be telling them, "You can come in and talk to my son; he reads Greek and Hebrew" -- which tended to chase them away.

 

[Shafted]

Re: Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Right

I can't argue that Kuli..

Especially in a Church where 12 year olds are Priests and 19 year old boys are 'ELDERS'..(Mormons)

Nonetheless, I think it's foolish to dismiss them.They obviously are better organized than the Southern California Kids.

To who's detriment?

I gotta agree here. Prop. 8 passed because the Californian gay community rested on its laurels, assuming it wouldn't come to pass because they were living in California.

Boy, weren't they shell-shocked.

 

[White Eagle]

Re: Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Right

How about throwing them all in the Marianas Trench 6.75 miles under the Pacific Ocean

Well, that sounds doable but the other posters have changed my mind.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Right

Catholicism has a rich heritage of scholarship; in addition, there's no way to become a priest without having a fairly sharp mind, and no way to become a bishop without a fairly sharp mind and a touch of scholarship. The ability to reason is highly valued -- just look at the Jesuits and the Benedictines.

The LDS has no real theology, no tradition of scholarship -- in fact they go to great efforts to fight scholarship, especially in the areas of ancient language and archaeology.

Oh come on Khuli, what Mormons believe is no more impossible than what you believe; and frankly, you’re a biased source, seeing as how you refuse to admit anyone’s but your religious dogma is true; and there’s plenty of idiotic and ridiculous clergy in the Catholic Church around the planet. Seminaries just like universities, graduate plenty of nitwits and fools.

Catholicism has a long history of arguing semantics with itself.

I won’t go into what your definition of Catholic “scholarship” is, since that ground has already been covered and there’s no point, but frankly, neither church has a history – however long – of being open to new ideas. The only difference between the two is that one is older than the other, and the patina of “dangerous cult” the catholic version of Christianity started with has worn off.

More to the point, the Catholic stance on gay marriage is exactly the same as the Mormon one, so at least in that, they’re praying to the same god.

 

[Kulindahr]

Re: Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Right

"For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness."

You're talking about [STRIKE]Ratzinger[/STRIKE] Benedict, right?

 

[Kulindahr]

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Oh come on Khuli, what Mormons believe is no more impossible than what you believe

You're turning this into a three-way comparison????

Catholicism has a long history of arguing semantics with itself.

Maybe -- depends on what you're thinking of.

I won’t go into what your definition of Catholic “scholarship” is, since that ground has already been covered and there’s no point,

Really?
Wow -- I don't recall discussing Basil, Gregory, Athanasius, Augustine, Benedict, Aquinas, Ambrose, or even Rahner here. Did I miss it?

but frankly, neither church has a history – however long – of being open to new ideas. The only difference between the two is that one is older than the other, and the patina of “dangerous cult” the catholic version of Christianity started with has worn off.

There is a reasonable historic comparison there. The most significant difference that comes to mind is in Roman Catholicism's religious orders, which were a way of allowing new ideas while keeping them restrained -- a somewhat elegant solution.

More to the point, the Catholic stance on gay marriage is exactly the same as the Mormon one, so at least in that, they’re praying to the same god.

Last I knew, the Mormon one was one hell of a lot nastier than the Roman Catholic one! The RC at least allows that homosexuality isn't (necessarily) chosen; the Mormon one just consigns us all to hell, regardless.

 

[TX-Beau]

Re: Mormons Mobilize to Deprive Gays of More Right

There is a reasonable historic comparison there. The most significant difference that comes to mind is in Roman Catholicism's religious orders, which were a way of allowing new ideas while keeping them restrained -- a somewhat elegant solution.

I'm sure the fires of the Auto de Fe were very pretty.

Last I knew, the Mormon one was one hell of a lot nastier than the Roman Catholic one! The RC at least allows that homosexuality isn't (necessarily) chosen; the Mormon one just consigns us all to hell, regardless.

A distinction without a difference.

 

[Kulindahr]

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I'm sure the fires of the Auto de Fe were very pretty.

Well, you don't have a tradition of scholarship, evidently: contrary to propaganda, there were no fires, except of candles and torches, at an Auto de Fe.

A distinction without a difference.

One will sit and talk to you.
The other won't even let you in the door.

Sounds like a difference to me.

 

[TX-Beau]

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Well, you don't have a tradition of scholarship, evidently: contrary to propaganda, there were no fires, except of candles and torches, at an Auto de Fe.

Oh good, no one ever got burned at the stake. How reassuring.

But but but I never said that.

Just stopping the nitpick before it continues.

One will sit and talk to you.
The other won't even let you in the door.

Sounds like a difference to me.

Please I've heard Mormons toss out that same, You just can't do gay things shtick.

And the point remains, their position on gay marriage is exactly the same as that of the Catholic church.

http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/glossary/glossary-definition/homosexuality

 

[Kulindahr]

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Oh good, no one ever got burned at the stake. How reassuring.

But but but I never said that.

Just stopping the nitpick before it continues.

"Burned at the stake"?

I thought we were talking about Auto de Fe, which happens to be a religious ceremony involving no fire larger than a torch, if after dark.

Please I've heard Mormons toss out that same, You just can't do gay things shtick.

And the point remains, their position on gay marriage is exactly the same as that of the Catholic church.

http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/glossary/glossary-definition/homosexuality

That's what I get for not encountering any Mormons since about '96.

Looks like the Catholics' official position is worse -- the Mormons don't single us out as having some special "disordered state".