music artists that you hate and can't understand why they're popular.

[Gravelord_Nito]

Long enough.

You're a hater. It's just that simple. You like bad music. You listen to hacks who use the same stuff over and over again like eminem has been doing for years. He'll probably sue his mom again or whatever went down there. Reggaeton is real. And I'm not talking about Angel & Khriz and their dance music... but real stuff out tehre.

Reggaeton is real popular now. You can't simply say "it's stopped getting popular in 07". Explain why the best selling Latin Albums are not Latin Pop, but rather Reggaeton. Explain why there are no less then 6-7 albums from various artists from the Wisin y Yandel Record label coming out in the next year. Then get back to me please!

I hate wikipedia sometimes... but this is decent:"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WY_Records

Franco "El Gorila" - La Verdadera Máquina
Released: November 15, 2011 S

Jowell & Randy - Sobredoxis
Scheduled: Dicember 2011

Wisin & Yandel - Los Líderes
Scheduled: February 2012

Jayko - El Prototípo
Scheduled: 2012

Victor "El Nasi" - El Oido Biónico
Scheduled: 2012

O'Neill - Black Mamba
Scheduled: March 2012

Tainy & Nesty "La Mente Maestra" - Tainy Vs. Nesty
Scheduled: 2012

Yandel & Gadiel - Los Hermanos Veguilla
Scheduled: 2013

---

Yes people... this genre is dead... I think not. That's just one record label too! I'm not counting others out there.

That does not mean the genre will be popular by that time. Genres don't die they just go "underground"

I really hope reggaeton disappears but underground should do enough for me.

 

[Gravelord_Nito]

Where did I say it was going underground? It's actually selling more then ever. I like Latin pop too... recently bought Paulina Rubio's new album...

But Reggaeton won't disappear nor go underground. It's the best selling in Latin music right now. It's just reality. Haters will always hate.

If that helps you sleep at night, sure believe it.

 

[Gravelord_Nito]

Um I'm just stating facts about the market. If you want it to die, you can keep wishing that.

Nah I don't exactly wish it to die. I just dislike it so I don't listen to that PoS just as I don't listen country and rap.

 

[legend145]

I'm surprised no one said this- Beyonce. It sickened me when they put her in that video package with the divas. I think she is overrated and given way to much credit. I feel like she can put out complete shit and people will still eat it up. It seems like she can do no wrong, but her music is mediocre at best. She has hits but doesn't have any classics.

 

[nycguydowntown]

I understand everyone has their own tastes, but Adele!? Her voice is stunning!

Yeah it is--and if you go to YouTube you can hear her sing live---she's amazing---she can write and she's original in this market (even if she's copying greats from the past) even if she's having serious throat issues.

 

[Gravelord_Nito]

Adele has some great pipes over there. It sucks she fucks em up smoking and drinking the way she does. Maybe after this surgery she learns to stop doing such wrong thing to her throat..

Her writing is great but I do agree that sometimes you feel you have heard most of her songs in 1 or 2 songs.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

So many things to go in on... where to start? Oh okay, the obvious.

I don't know why people like heavy metal.
It is just noise.

I will present to you an instrumental and a vocal song. If you still think it's all noise, there is no helping you(though I know that already - i'm just shooting into the sky hoping a cloud bleeds):

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4mbeVHtzwE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4mbeVHtzwE[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGn_jsPB-M"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKGn_jsPB-M[/ame]

I don't get Flava Flave or Eminem. Eminem sounds like an annoying mosquito that needs to be squashed. Flava Flave is 10 miles of ugly and no talent.

Flavor Flav is a hype man - not a musician. Yes, there is a difference - he is there to make the other two guys look better by comparison. He succeeds at EVERY turn.

Eminem, despite being a homophobe, is a talented lyricist. Not a rapper. Souljah Boy is a rapper. 2 Live Crew were rappers. Rakim, Nas, MC Lyte, Rah Diggah - those are lyricists. So when people say I don't like rap, what I hear is "I don't like the popular top 40's urban shit the radio puts out". I can't be mad about that, 99% of it is garbage. But 99.5% of things on most popular radio stations is these days - the rare gems are tucked away, and you get Bieber, Wayne, and others.

Oh, and people saying that rap takes no talent are being ignorant. End of story. It does take real talent to be poetic, to write, to create metaphors that reach beyond your audience. And that whole "what are you whining about? You're rich now" thing is such a copout and can be used for ANY genre(what? you're married now? Better not catch you singing a sad song. what? you believe in the bible? well you better start making christian rock POSER. etc)

LADY GAGA

She's not the greatest thing in the world, but she's not as horrible as so many people - gay guys especially - make her out to be. And the fact is, in the new world of autotoned bubble heads, someone who actually sings and can play an instrument well should gain a lot more respect than a fiery redhead island girl who has NEVER, EVER been able to sing live.

Adele

She can sing. I don't know what's going on in her life personally, but no one can deny that aspect. I can understand why she's popular - she's a breath of fresh air in the land of skinny mini's whoring it up(or confusing the fuck out of me, Ke$ha and Katy). Oh, and Katy Perry CAN actually sing - watch her Grammy performance from this year. The first half validates that claim. Yeah, it's only one song - but it proves she can go beyond the shit she puts out.

TylerTheCreator

My verdict on him is this - the very first time I saw his video Yonkers, I thought he was trying too hard to be the black Marilyn Manson, and that was verified by the song Bastard. I did give him more of a listen though, and though I really, really hate rap crews and despise the M.O. of skinny jeans wearing proto-hipster era urban kids, he's interesting enough that I don't despise him.

------------

There are some genres I just can't really get into. Reggaeton is one, but that's because it's very dance-y and that's just not my thing - same with house, electronica, things of that nature. I do not HATE them, and I don't not get why they aren't popular - I just don't venture too deep. And besides, I'm not exactly being reached out to by those markets(arguing about reggaeton to a latino into reggeaton is like arguing about country to a southern person into country - what would I know over you and why would you say anything that isn't starkly loyal?).

I do not like Alien Ant Farm and despise Nickelback. I think, like Creed and Oasis, that they didn't deserve the press they got, and shouldn't continue to have it.

I'm not a fan of J-Lo or Britney Spears, though they both have a song or two I do like(actually, I think they both have two each). Neither are stellar singers, and if one didn't have the acting career she would have gone the way of so many others in that saturated era.

I just don't like Anthrax - of the big 4 of American Thrash, I don't get how they made it over Testament. AT. ALL. I get that they're the frat boys among the fray, but still, at least be good at that. Maybe I just like my thrash a little darker.

I have more, but, wrestling is on.

 

[diamondstar]

Wow the jealousy in here is deafening.. I can understand the others, but anyone who says Adele has problems.

 

[refujiunderground]

I'm surprised no one said this- Beyonce. It sickened me when they put her in that video package with the divas. I think she is overrated and given way to much credit. I feel like she can put out complete shit and people will still eat it up. It seems like she can do no wrong, but her music is mediocre at best. She has hits but doesn't have any classics.

i agree. she blows dick majorly. never was a fan of hers. she also is very overrated in the looks department but then again, i'm gay so maybe i have no say in that. she's very overrated and thinks she's the shit.

 

[ozguy]

LADY GAGA. she fucking sucks.

Wash your mouth out!!! She's fucking brilliant!!

I've said this in other threads over the years, but I LOATHE Kylie Minogue.

She has a pip squeak voice to match her pip squeak size, and relies totally on lavish costuming, extravagant choreography and audio enhancement technology to make her sound even half decent. Ms Minogue is typical of the many sub par artists littering the music industry today who can make themselves sound good and appeal to their audiences while distracting everyone from the true musicians who deserve more respect and attention than the public gives them.

 

[blackbeltninja]

Maybe you're right.
But would that in anyway affect the (non-)quality of the music?
Should we rate the result only based on the intention?

No, not at all.

Btw, I didn't know Gaga was supposed to be taken SO seriously..
She always strikes me as very tongue-in-cheek, I thought that was the whole point.

Hence my original observation. Like with Cobain, I think people do want to believe there is more to Gaga than meets the eye, and that she is more than a dance-hit machine. I'm just not so sure there is.

She's not an OTT obvious parody like Spinal Tap, but I do think most people haven't worked it out just yet.

-d-

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

You can't say "I prefer rap music" because it isn't even real music.

And that's why I deleted the rest of the quote, because you've already said enough. When people discredit an entire genre based on the fact that they think they're right, I know they're wrong already.

Furthermore, how inane and idiotic is it to say that if you want to be poetic or lyrical you should write for a magazine instead of putting it to music? Do you even know what music is, and how many genres besides rap you just decided were wastes with that comment? You just shot down nearly EVERYTHING that isn't danceable(and even some dance music can have prose) or instrumental. Are you mad or just vapid?

Thoughts like that are why so many people think so many gay guys only like "the divas" - music with a beat you can dance to and a singer than can belt it out(though the most revered divas can barely sing at all, which bothers me just a tad) without saying much of anything, rather than something you can actually listen to. Something relative. Something that takes a bit of brain muscle to understand.

And here you were, talking about good and bad taste. There's a third option - no taste. And suffice it to say, with that little tiara tirade you just went on, that's where you fit.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

There's so much fantastic music besides dancemusic

I already know that. The fact that you think rap isn't music and can't tell me why has rendered your knowledge obsolete though. No taste.

And I didn't see this earlier, so lets get it out the way:

Not end of story, no.

Talent is subjective. Just because a dude can write a song and rap doesn't make him talented. Sorry.

I don't think I was arguing or saying that - I did, in fact, make a distinction between a rapper and a lyricist to further empathize that point(ie. I don't think Souljah Boy is talented; I think Nas is).

There are far better rappers out there. The dude just gets away with it because he made himself look "tough" by putting down gays and women. How much fucking talent does that take? If he hadn't done so I guarantee you that he wouldn't be where he is right now.

Actually, considering that he no longer does that and is still at the "top" says something about his staying power. But it also says more about the buying public - something i'm certainly not here to debate(I don't care about what's on the radio and am not discussing that aspect of the music game - I am discussing the music only). There are better, far better rappers out there that haven't nearly gotten the coverage that he has gotten - but to discredit the fact that the guy can write is a fallacy. He just came up into the perfect storm of things, and, race did help him as well(not going to let that be the elephant in the room - how many white rappers were there that were "authentic" and had an audience ripe for the picking before him?).

Although I do believe the dude is being genuine. He really is as trashy as he makes people believe.

That's neither here nor there and I personally don't care about his personal life.

As far as the rich thing: he has the last laugh. Yes. He puts people down and gets paid for it.

That wasn't my point; my point was using the fact that he used to be poor and now has money as a basis for him not being able to relate to where he came from was a copout, and, I wasn't talking about just him - I was using that in terms of just about any musician out, which is why I gave other examples as well.

Not everything I stated was about Eminem - you make it seem like I'm his biggest fan when I'm not even that.

Let's see him rap about a fucking peanut and see how awesome he is.

Let's see you sing about one first(I can't believe you even wrote this - I'm sure if you got someone to do a freestyle about a peanut off the top of their head you'd say it sucked).

None of this makes me ignorant. Just observant and not ready to buy someone's bullshit because the rest of the crowd does.

Again, no one is asking you, telling you, begging you to buy into Eminem. He's a homophobe - that'd be like asking me to buy a record by the Bad Brains because they're talented, though they are also homophobes(though I think they may have rebuked that a couple years ago, I still won't buy a single record by them for writing that Batty Boy song they did).

But when you say all rap takes no talent, THAT is ignorant. That's what you said. That's why I reacted the way I did.

 

[zoltanspawn]

This sort of thing:



And that sort:

 

[refujiunderground]

You can't say "I prefer rap music" because it isn't even real music.
There's no singer (except when they use background singers) and often no melody whatsoever. Just a silly guy saying some words.
It's the biggest joke in the history of music.
Want be poetic or lyrical? Then write a poem for a magazine or something.
Just don't put in on a record, let alone have it played on the radio.

And the fact that the OP listens to this utter drivel and then says that Gaga sucks is just downright hilarious.
Some people wouldn't recognize music if it hit them in the face.
And no, I'm NOT a Gaga fan, but I think it's great that she puts the POP back in pop-music.

Is it possible to argue about taste? Maybe not.
But it is a fact that there are people with good taste and people with bad taste.
And I think we also need people with bad taste, so we can see (or hear) how it should NOT be done.

rap isn't music? seriously?

i guess if lady gaga decided to talk on a beat with a rhythmic flow in which she has done in one of her songs "alejando" and she's done the same shit on others, it's not music. great job. so she can do it and it's still considered to be music in your eyes. ke$ha does it too but i guess it's still pop music because she sings on the hook and the song break. what about heavy metal music where the rock and punk rock "singers" are screaming and talking on a track to the point where it's inaudible and not understandable at all. i guess you think that's still music because there's instruments being played while they're talking. you see what point i'm getting at.

what difference would it make if they sang or talked on a beat to you? hell, it would make it easier for you where you can just talk the lyrics at home, at work, or whereever instead of singing it where people won't look at you weird being that you probably can't sing to save your life. don't worry, lady gaga makes it okay to be a bad singer where it's not so embarrassing anymore. trust me when i say this, you can look down on rap but being that you're not a rapper and more than likely don't know how to rap, can't produce a song which requires musical talent, can't even flow on a beat rhythmically where it sounds good, and a whole lot of other work, you really can't say shit. you talk as if you can do what these rappers do when you CAN'T. if i gave you all the time in a record studio, gave you a pad and a paper, a producer to make a beat for you and told you to make a song that will make 1,000 people or more buy your record within a week because they like it and i'll give you a 100,000, you probably would back away from it because you can't do it. you probably would give me some lady gaga type of record and try to pass it off as rap.

the reason why i said lady gaga sucks and because she can't sing for shit and majority of her songs is technically the same record. her lyrical content is also basic as hell where it sounds like it's for kids, not adults. she's pretty much saying the same shit over the same beat. pokerface, alejando, born this way, edge of glory are pretty much the same drum pattern with a different melody with the same style of hook. there's nothing special about her at all. it just surprises me that there's people on her dick as if she's doing something unheard of. kesha does the same shit yet i don't see anybody vouching for her corny ass.

add ke$ha and that annoying ass clown, flo rida to the list too.

 

[refujiunderground]

You asked what people don't like in this thread and you're still jumping on them? No... rap music isn't music. You don't need a great deal of talent or even a half decent vocal range to sing rap music. Most rappers are pretty much talentless hacks. Lady Gaga is very talented, has a great vocal range, and can play instruments. You keep attacking her... but most of your attacks are quite baseless.

You call her a bad singer, but it's simply not true looking at objectively. And yes, you can look at her talent objectively. She has a wide vocal range, she writes her own music and she plays her own instruments.

Rap music is typically the same old same old. Gaga is at least trying to do something interesting. She can't sing? Oh but she can, and most of her songs are quite different from each other. Her last album Born This Way couldn't be any different then her other two albums (Fame and FAme Monster). To say its all the same demonstrates a certain degree of ignorance. Same drum pattern? Just goes to show you don't actually listen to her music.

And I can hit right back at you... all of Eminem's garbage sounds the same... and its always about the same things. He can't sing either. In fact his voice is awful.

i like to argue, call me argumentative. it keeps things going and fun which is why this thread isn't on the second page.

 

[FanofFiction]

They aren't popular anymore but I always hated Korn. I never understood why they were so popular. When I was in high school there was just a sea of people wearing Korn hoodies all the time... I thought they sucked. Never got into that.

 

[hermanding]

I wonder if someone like René Fleming would get 1 percent of this attention. And, she can truly sing.

 

[teadrinker]

[STRIKE]Most[/STRIKE]All of them.

There, that's better.

-T.

 

[MoufOfKhaos]

You asked what people don't like in this thread and you're still jumping on them? No... rap music isn't music. You don't need a great deal of talent or even a half decent vocal range to sing rap music. Most rappers are pretty much talentless hacks.

What's really funny about you saying this, given your stark support and all, is that reggaeton is often (and more popularly) infused with latin rap and dancehall(which may be why I have a small bias towards going further with that genre - after learning that, almost on the whole, dancehall artists like Beenie Man, Elephant Man, Buju Banton and others were MAJOR, MAJOR homophobes at a level higher than the overly-discussed Eminen, I stopped listening in its' entirety), and is a LOT closer to hip hop than it is to, say, salsa.

What little I know about reggaeton makes your statement about rap all the more perplexing. But what do I know, you consider rap not musical and reggaeton somehow immune.

I guess I like to argue too - but I'll do it without trashing entire genres I have no real knowledge about.