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Muslim terror across Europe

Zeno Lorea said:
For islam's sake, because they killed mostly nationalist Algerians dreaming of a liberal, westernized state. Those were their real enemy.
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In your parallel universe! Even French school textbooks don't teach this nonsense! Which faction in the War of Independence are you talking about? Mouvement National Algérien? FYI it was created by the French itself to blunt the unity and force of the Front de Libération Nationale, and it didn't work out so well in the end! So people fighting for their Independence from over a century of brutal foreign rule is terrorism, but torturing, removing from their land, humiliation and subjugation on the part of the foreign invaders is not "terrorism". No conversation of terrorism is ever complete without talking about state terrorism. In Algeria, the satanic colonialists were the terrorists.
 
Zeno Lorea said:
When was the last time Christian fundamentalists flew planes into the Burj Khalifa in Dubai?
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Christians don't need to blow up anything, thats what they use their national militaries for. Read the WikiLeaks documents.

And why would Christian fundamentalists blow up Burj Khalifa? Its not as if the UAE supports, funds and arms tyrannical governments in Christian countries that torture and oppress their own populations, its not like the UAE has troops in over a 100 countries, its not as if the UAE uses the Security Council and its veto power in its own national interest, its not like the UAE illegally invades and occupies Christian countries, its not like the UAE arrests and tortures Christians and keeps them in black holes scattered around the world without charging them, etc., etc., etc., my point is, I can't think why Christian fundamentalists would want to harm UAE.
 
Zeno Lorea said:
BTW, do you know how the French stopped islamic terrorism in Algeria many decades ago?

They buried terrorists in a coffin... with a pork rib.

So much for appeasement.
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That could never happen in today's politically correct society.
 
SoulSearcher said:
In your parallel universe! Even French school textbooks don't teach this nonsense! Which faction in the War of Independence are you talking about? Mouvement National Algérien? FYI it was created by the French itself to blunt the unity and force of the Front de Libération Nationale, and it didn't work out so well in the end! So people fighting for their Independence from over a century of brutal foreign rule is terrorism, but torturing, removing from their land, humiliation and subjugation on the part of the foreign invaders is not "terrorism". No conversation of terrorism is ever complete without talking about state terrorism. In Algeria, the satanic colonialists were the terrorists.
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Zeno: you'll have to get used to this. He picks and chooses his definitions so he can be virulently bigoted against the people he's decided he doesn't approve of. He doesn't care about civilized behavior or reason, only pushing the ideology he's chosen. Part of that is "newcomers are evil!" and "'colonialists' are terrorists!", regardless of actual behavior.

Zeno Lorea said:
BTW, do you know how the French stopped islamic terrorism in Algeria many decades ago?

They buried terrorists in a coffin... with a pork rib.

So much for appeasement.
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Brilliant.

Like the recommendation of putting a small pig on every airline flight.

Jack Springer said:
That could never happen in today's politically correct society.
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I know -- we're not allowed to use their own weaknesses against them.

Sun Tzu would be ashamed.
 
Kulindahr said:
Zeno: you'll have to get used to this. He picks and chooses his definitions so he can be virulently bigoted against the people he's decided he doesn't approve of. He doesn't care about civilized behavior or reason, only pushing the ideology he's chosen. Part of that is "newcomers are evil!" and "'colonialists' are terrorists!", regardless of actual behavior.
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Stop mischaracterising me daddy! Come to my home, confine me to the smallest and least attractive part of my house, spit on me and belittle me in my own house, and then we'll see how much I love or hate the "newcomer". The French in Algeria were more than just "newcomers" and you know that. Americans are so amazing, they defend past actions of countries even when a majority of the educated people in those countries themselves don't believe it. The British in Kenya, the Dutch in Indonesia, the French in North Africa were all terrorist entities, they terrorised and subjugated the natives, period. No apologies for not accepting the George W definition of "terrorist".
 
MercuryJones said:
Waitaminit....

Are you saying women can't safely walk around Brussels wearing a skirt or dress shorter than ankle-length?

Is that the claim?
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That is what I said, in another thread, and which someone quoted on this one. And I was referring to most of Brussels (outside the one square kilometre where tourists and eurocrats are contained), and it is true, especially after 4 pm.
 
Kulindahr said:
Terrorists don't have to be people blowing things up or wielding guns. Terrorism is anything that strikes terror in order to change people's behavior.
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Once upon a time European gay men fought for the right to be free, are we supposed to be afraid of a few street-screamers now?

I bring this subject up from time to time, but it is to expose the multicultural fallacy that minorities are always victims and can never be held responsible like the citizens they are.

I'm ready to fight. Just don't know how yet.

SoulSearcher said:
Stop mischaracterising me daddy! Come to my home, confine me to the smallest and least attractive part of my house, spit on me and belittle me in my own house, and then we'll see how much I love or hate the "newcomer".
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Sounds like the two of you have got a date.. :p
 
SoulSearcher said:
I live in Los Angeles as a gay man, I don't have full equality, and that has nothing to do with Muslims.
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I suggest you do the following little experiment and see what happens.

1. You walk up to a policeman in Los Angeles, or Idaho Falls for that matter, and say "Hello sir, good morning, my name is SoulSearcher and I am a homosexual".

2. Then you do the same thing in any country with a muslim majority.
 
Harke the Boeotarch said:
Once upon a time European gay men fought for the right to be free, are we supposed to be afraid of a few street-screamers now?

I bring this subject up from time to time, but it is to expose the multicultural fallacy that minorities are always victims and can never be held responsible like the citizens they are.

I'm ready to fight. Just don't know how yet.
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I don't know, either. It's a minority using terror on their own to fuel movement for using terror on the rest.

Just to illustrate your point about minorities: the American Revolution was carried out by a minority.
 
Who said it was muslims insulting short-skirt-wearing women? Or that they would do so BECAUSE they are muslims rather than any other reason?
 
I'm still trying to understand why all of a sudden after 9 years Muslim / Islam suddenly became a serious issue. The only reason I can think of is the Republicans needed some group to demonize to help them in the 2010 elections so they started up with Muslims.

They're used gays so often and now that homosexuality is becoming more accepted they decided to demagogue using Muslims. Hey, after all some Muslim extremists carried out the 9/11 attacks so point your finger at them and say "bad".

Demonizing Muslim people is only going to distance us & anger them. No wonder why more and more are hating Americans.
 
I haven't been a huge fan of any group who is anti-gay, Muslim or otherwise. I am trying to get over my fear of Muslims, but it's hard to do that when extremist Muslims were responsible for 9/11 and when Islam itself is anti-gay and conservative. I know that not all Muslims are extremists, but for some reason it's hard to divorce myself from that type of black or white thinking.

I can't really compare Islam with Christianity because I don't know of any Christian theocracies. I'm pretty sure they would be anti-gay as well.

I have a close friend who used to be Muslim, but doesn't practice anymore. She's a lesbian.
 
Zeno Lorea said:
I suggest you do the following little experiment and see what happens.

1. You walk up to a policeman in Los Angeles, or Idaho Falls for that matter, and say "Hello sir, good morning, my name is SoulSearcher and I am a homosexual".

2. Then you do the same thing in any country with a muslim majority.
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You are evading my main point. Read your original post to which my post was a response. You were talking about how you don't have equality so your speaking out against Islam or Muslims was not Islamophobic, and I was pointing out that my not having equal rights in LA has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. Understand???
 
altlover85 said:
I haven't been a huge fan of any group who is anti-gay, Muslim or otherwise. I am trying to get over my fear of Muslims, but it's hard to do that when extremist Muslims were responsible for 9/11 and when Islam itself is anti-gay and conservative. I know that not all Muslims are extremists, but for some reason it's hard to divorce myself from that type of black or white thinking.

I can't really compare Islam with Christianity because I don't know of any Christian theocracies. I'm pretty sure they would be anti-gay as well.

I have a close friend who used to be Muslim, but doesn't practice anymore. She's a lesbian.
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There is reason to fear, but we must also keep in mind that sexual orientation is not a universal concept, homo, hetero, etc, are recent Western inventions. Of course gays exist in all cultures, but in many cultures, people are considered just sexual, not homo or hetero, not as a matter of an "orientation". So we have to be careful when we impose our own standards on other cultures. Equality will have to be pushed for from within their own cultures. And we can certainly support gays internationally as we can. But not by cheering on on immoral wars and wholesale demonisation. In other words, we cannot justify violating human rights of Muslims in the name of human rights, which is what I notice some gays here doing. Bomb them because they don't have gay rights.
 
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