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My life from child until now.

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Hello fellow Jubbers

After a very long time i think i will finally have the chance to be who i am but i’m still having my doubts. This will be my first post and it will be a very long one so bear with me.

My name is Olivier and i am 25 years old and live in Belgium (so excuse me for my English ;) ).
I’ve come to JUB since i was 17 years but never joined the community, I think now i'm happy to do so. The last years i’ve been on here i only read things that other posted and replied and i enjoyed them very much especially the story section. There is one story there that gave me the strength to write this, watching Brad is the name of the story and written by gsdx. Thank you very much Neil. (i began reading it a week ago and it changed something in me).

I would like to tell you about my life because i need to do this for myself and this is a good beginning for me.

First I would like to talk about my past because that’s where the problems began.
I’ve had in my opinion a crappy childhood.

on the age of 13 my parents told me and my 3 brothers that they would divorce. I thought at the moment that this wouldn't change much about my life but until this day 12 years later I still feel the pain it brought me.
My 2 brothers and my twin brother did very well in those 12 years but only i had problems. Mind that my younger brother was 3 years old and didn’t remember anything at that time. My older brother was 17 at that moment and couldn’t care less. I was 13 and so was my twin brother.

after the divorce each went their own way but me and my twin brother we switched each week from home because it was the agreement. My older brother stayed with my father and my youngest brother with my mother.

First it went well but at that moment i already doubted my sexuality in a way but didn’t pay it much attention.
At school I followed an education in elderly caregiver (was a study to work in an elderly home or to go further in medicine). I began at the age of 15 and it would take 4 years to get my degree for it.
The first 2 years went well and had good results to make it in medicine. But the constant change between homes had an negative effect on me. When i was with my mother i woke every morning at 03:00 A.M. so I could get to school. (Why you would say?). It’s because my school was in the city where my dad lived and they lived 45 minutes away from each other and i couldn’t use the bus, so i would wake up with my stepfather because he began early at his job so he dropped us of at my fathers.

Both my parents married again with their partners but they made my life much worse. Evil stepmother and stepfather do exist. I’d like to tell you what they did to make my life worse but then this story would be 30 pages long so I won’t.

Because all of the misery i fell in a depression. It affected my school in my last year and a half. At school they knew the problem so i got a counselor who i would meet 2 times in the week. She was the only person i could thrust but never with my secrets (she even picked me up to go to school and dropped me off).
After a while she said that i needed a psychologist because she could not help me anymore. I went 5 years to that psychologist and told him everything that was on my mind except the one about my sexuality. He helped me a lot because before that I could never say no to anyone and I never showed how if felt. :(
I could not express my emotions and that pushed me to the breaking point, suicide.

I felt so bad I didn’t wanted to live anymore, I felt miserable at home and school and I isolated myself from the world so I lost all my friends. I had nothing anymore. I planned my suicide and even wrote a goodbye note to my mother. Even a note who would get all my belongings. But when the time came (my birthday was the day I would do it) i didn’t do it. I was sure that I wouldn’t want to be on this world anymore because the misery i felt about myself and on top of this my sexuality. I began to think on the day I would kill myself that I would not want my family to be in pain because i killed myself.
This was the first time i thought about this and it helped me for not committing suicide that day.

A week later I told my mother about it in a letter because I could not express my feelings to a person but only in written words. She came to me and began to cry. I’ve never seen here cry and that was the first time anyone saw me cry.

After that moment my mother was a different person, she drove me to my appointments with my psychologist and waited every time I was there. She was worried and would talk to me about my problems. She became a different mother.

Because of my depression I gave up on school (which I regret until this day), it was my only way to find peace for myself and get cured for my problem (i was 18 years now). I also quit my psychologist because i knew he couldn’t help me anymore and i would deal with it myself

Between the age of 18 and 24 I had 4 jobs. I never thought I could get a degree anymore so I began the search for a good job.
The first 2 jobs i did because they were jobs i didn’t need a degree for or anything. Those lasted 6 month each. My third job i combined with my fourth job. In the week i worked at a food market and began at the lowest. After 1 month I got another job for the weekend, salesman in a shop that sells games and movies. This job was perfect for me because i love videogames and movies.
When i was home in the five years of depression videogames where my escape of the misery i had, even now i play them to get away from al the shit i have.

After 1 month at the food market I got a promotion and 3 months later i was head of my own department, it was the best feeling i had ever had because I meant something now. I was proud of myself.
This was the place where I found my first love (I think).
A girl 3 years older than my began to work with me and that was the first time i ever felt something for a woman. She herself had problems and i was there to listen.
Her relationship with her previous boyfriend had ended and she was pregnant with him but she didn’t want the child so she went to an abortion clinic (i was shocked when she told me, that was also a clue that i better not get involved with people like her but love is a strange thing:?).

After 3 months i asked her out and she said yes. Soon we were boyfriend and girlfriend and i never felt so good in my life, she was also the one who took my virginity (23 year old virgin :lol:).
It was all new for me and everyone says that your first time is not what you think it will be but it exceeded my expectation. The first 6 month went great but then it began to crumble, the real her became visible and got me.

I can tell you many stories that happened in the period of 11 months that we were together but I will tell one that had the most influence on me.
She enjoyed to smoke a joint once in a while (i’m not a smoker) and asked me if I would come with her and a friend to Amsterdam to get some weed. She knew how I felt about it but I couldn’t say now (ring a bell?:()
I went with her and we stopped at the coffee shop. I didn’t want to go in but her other friend insisted because it was dangerous to sit alone in a car at that location so i went with them. They did their business and we were on our way home again. Before we left they each made one to smoke and it went from good to worse. She couldn’t handle the stuff and almost passed out.
We stopped at a gas station and I carried her into the shop to go to the toilet (she couldn’t walk so I had to carry her in my arms). The shop owner was worried and asked me if she needed to call an ambulance, i said no and lied that she was drunk.
I carried her to the toilet and held her in my arms for 20 minutes while she was vomiting. I held her hair so she could do her thing and i used wet paper to keep her head and neck cool. After that i carried her out and the shop owner asked again if she needed to call an ambulance and i said no.
Then i carried her outside and put her in the car, this time i sat behind her and hold a plastic bag for 60 minutes under her mouth for when she needed to vomit again (true love?!oops!).
We came home (I lived at my fathers at that moment for my work) and i changed her clothes so we could go to sleep. She apologized a hundred times for what she did but once I laid her in my bed she was K.O. I didn’t sleep all night because I was worried about her and i never took eyes of her.
This was one of many stories i have that changed my view over her. (maybe i'll tell the others another time)

After 2 years at the food market I got a job offering at my other job to work full time with them (we were 6 months together when this happened). 3 weeks later I quit my job at the food market and had one job now. At this job I had an other co-worker who fell for me but I didn’t know until recently (i was very surprised because I think i’m not good looking and here I am adored by two women).
This was my dream job but didn’t last long.
After 4 months (January 2015) the company went bankrupt and we all lost our jobs.
It hit me in the face and i lost my confidence in myself because this was my fourth job in 4 years.

After that my relation with my girlfriend went down under. I loved her very much and did everything for her, I even quit my gaming in that period just to use that time to spend with her (everyone thought i was stupid to do that and now i can see why but at that time i only thought about her:().

So there i was my relation went down, we didn’t have sex anymore and i began to masturbate again because i didn’t get any action anymore with her. Again was the masturbation with gay porn and I could not understand why I did this, there was joy first but after i was done i felt shame (maybe I forgot to tell but every time I would masturbate myself between the age of 15 and 25 I would use gay porn but i think I couldn’t accept it that I was gay maybe).

The relation between me and my girlfriend ended march of 2014 because she cheated on me twice with another man.
After the first time she cheated I gave her a second chance a she blew it by screwing another guy.
I was heartbroken and I cried for hours. At this time my relation with my stepmother was getting better and she comforted me the following days.

She (my ex) became a part of my life, i lived my life for her to be happy and she had met all of my family and now she was gone. I was empty, alone again.
Until this day I can still feel the pain she has wrought me because my life was circled around her.
That was gone now and i needed to do something with my life again (no job and no love so back to zero for me).

That same month (march 2014) i began a course in multimedia sales (don’t now if you say it like this :S).
After 4months I finished it and got a certificate for it (my first certificate, i was so happy:D).
I got a job with it but that lasted only for 2 months when i quit my job (the salary and work environment were not good).
Then 1 month later there was a big change in my life. I still lived at home but that changed.

My mother came to me and asked if i was interested to share an apartment with her and my younger brother because she had decided to end her marriage with my stepfather.
I went online and searched for apartments in the area were my brother went to school. The next day I found one online and it was magnificent, 3 bedrooms a garden etc,… for a profitable price.
The next week we had an appointment to go see the apartment.
Everything went fine and one week later we went to sign the deal but afterwards she had her doubts.
I was mad because we already had signed the contract and now she says that she is doubting.

The next couple of days i didn’t hear from her but i called 20 times. 2 days later she called and said she needed to talk to me and my twin brother.
We had the talk and she said she would like to work on her marriage and asked if the two of us would rent the apartment. We said yes.:-)

Until this day ( a year in October 2015) i still live with my brother in that apartment.
The job hunt is not going well so i decided 4 months ago that i’m going to follow a proper education for a good job.

I’m almost at the end but bear with me for a couple more (sorry;))

While I’m waiting to begin my school again I had the time to think about my life and all the crap i had in it (that’s why I’m writing this because i need closure for this chapter of my life).

What had my life offered: a divorce (parents), a depression for 5 years and counting, a suicide attempt, 5 failed jobs, a terrible relationship with cheating and my sexuality that i didn't understand. :(


You know the other girl that I mentioned that had a crush on me, she told it to me yesterday in person and it made me more confused than i’m already am.

I’m ready to begin a new life but i need to finish my old one.

I don’t know who i am anymore. To who am i attracted? I think i’m gay but my relationship with a girl felt good. :confused:

Sorry for the extreme long post but i needed this. I needed to tell my story so i can get it of me and start fresh.

Olivier ( call me Oli ;))

(P.S. there is much that i cut from this draft because i had to many situations i could sum up, maybe i'll tell them later but for now its OK).
 
Welcome Oli. The positive thing I see is you are still young and have made the decision to continue your education. The grueling times that you have had are past and your future looks bright. There will still be ups and downs as that is how life is, however by keeping this positive attitude you will regain your confidence and better understand yourself. Is your twin brother aware of your sexuality dilemma? Would he be trustworthy enough to advise and listen to your fears without involving other family members? In my opinion, I think it would be wise to see another psychologist relating to your confusion. Whatever your choices are, please keep us informed. There are many here at JUB that would be able to give some guidance. My best to you.

Craiger
 
Oli, WELCOME to JUB! (group)

Your willingness to share all that you have is a Positive sign that you have a Lot going for you, even with all that you've experienced, so far. :eek: :help:

Just know that we are here for you, and will strive to support you in any ways we can. ..|

LIFE can present us with unlimited challenges. It's up to us to deal with them, as best we can. Nothing is written in stone. Black and White make Grey. #-o

You sound as through you have a good head on you. You're aware of what you're facing, and have the perspective to look at it objectively, which is not always an easy thing to do. That given, you're on the right track! Continue exploring. \:/

All of us are influenced by what others might expect of/from us. The critical bit is what we want for/from ourselves, in spite of everything else. Listen to your Heart. It will seldom lead you wrong. (group)

Just more reasons to ... and, I'm quite Serious about this ... No Matter What ...

Keep Smilin'!! :kiss: (*8*)
Chaz :luv:
 
Thank you so much Craiger and Chaz to read my post.:-)

It was difficult for me to write this but i needed to do this.

@Craiger: my twin brother is the exact opposite of me and i've never talked to him about my feelings. The bond between twins is very different than normal brothers (difficult to explain)but i couldn't tell my twin brother because i know his opinion about gay people :( ( maybe he will change when i tell him but i don't have the courage to do it now). Even friends and family give negative comments when they talk about gay people.

I don't know about going to another psychologist because at this point i don't have the money to do so. All my money went to my education which i start on september 22. (I feel embarrased to tell other people that i went to a psychologist for 5 years but i know it helped me to be the man i am today but there is still work for me because i can't figure out who i am after my relationship with her).

@chaz: thanks for the kind words, i'm always happy to read your posts on this forum :D

I know the problem i have but my mind keeps me from the solution i need.
My relationship with my ex was the best time in my life ( before the cheating) so after our break up my life shattered again. Before her i thought i was a closeted gay but i couldn't accept that. After her i don't know anymore.
Did i lie to myself in the 11 months that we'd been together? Did i push my gay feelings aside because i didn't accepted it?
Why did i have sex with her? Its all very confusing for me :confused:


Today i went to my local parc and sat there for 4 hours to write. Just stuff that i want in my life and also things i went through already. It was difficult to face it all again and i whept a tear or two.
After that i invited two close friends to come eat at my place and we talked. They knew something was wrong but i was so close to tell them more but something stopped me.
One friend i know she would support me but her boyfriend (my other friend) not because i know he's a homophobe but he is one of my best friends.
That makes it very difficult. Would he accept it or would i lose a friendship of 10 years.:(

Oli
 
Hi, Oli

Thank you very much for that very kind compliment. Over my years here, that story in particular seems to have had a very profound effect on many people, for men of all ages, giving them hope and, as you said, strength. Many new Jubbers made their first posts in that story thread.

Take care, eh?
Neil
 
Hi, Oli

Thank you very much for that very kind compliment. Over my years here, that story in particular seems to have had a very profound effect on many people, for men of all ages, giving them hope and, as you said, strength. Many new Jubbers made their first posts in that story thread.

Take care, eh?
Neil

Thank you for the reply Neil :-)

I've just made it to chapter 46 and it gets better and better.
Everyday i try to read before i go to sleep (its 2:00 A.M. atm here) because then i know i can get a good night sleep without worrying to much about my life at this point.

All of you made a contribution to my life because of the comments i read that are posted by you guys, it keeps me going :-) :cry:
 
Welcome to JUB (*8*)


What a life.

I know Cormac :(

I would like to write more about it to get it of my chest, i need this to close my bad chapter and hopefully begin my good one with a clear mind and spirit.

Oli
 
^ Write as much as you like if it helps, especially if you have nobody there you can talk to. Just writing about it will be a great weight lifted from your shoulders.
 
Your post deserves attention for many reasons, but what draws me to your story is your description of having to end one life to start another. I thought for a long time that I had two lives, also. That was because I had compartmenalized two sides of my life. In fact, we have one life and our self duty is to integrate all our facets into a rich, productive, self-fulfilling life. At age 69 I'm still working on that for myself.

Yes, it can be confusing and even painful when we are torn in different directions, but we must always remember it's ok to put ourselves first. If we live in the western world we have legal and social protections and while it may take a great deal of courage to come out rarely are we in grave danger as we might be living in restrictive cultures. We also have the ability to seek mental health counsellors to help us sort out the details.

I'd suggest you'd start there if your path doesn't seem clearly layed out before you. You will always find support here with an entire community wishing you well. Best wishes.
 
my twin brother is the exact opposite of me and i've never talked to him about my feelings. The bond between twins is very different than normal brothers (difficult to explain)but i couldn't tell my twin brother because i know his opinion about gay people :( ( maybe he will change when i tell him but i don't have the courage to do it now). Even friends and family give negative comments when they talk about gay people.

Family and friends often seem homophobic particularly in speaking about gays people, however, I would venture to say that they have no friends or close ones that are gay. Consequently they're uneducated response to gays would be to downgrade them or appear to be disgusted by them. It isn't until they know someone to be gay that they will try to understand and be acceptant. Even so, now may not be the proper time for you to discuss your feelings with them. I understand the financial problems involving therapy, but is there possibly a local health agency that would help you find counseling? The other alternative I would suggest is to contact the gay community in your area, find a few gay friends and at least have someone to talk with in terms of your situation. Also, feel free to write your feelings and desires as you have just posted and give us an opportunity to respond. Many of us have, at some time in our lives, witnessed similar situations. Those experiences may be a help for you. Good thoughts and my best to you.

Craiger
 
Oli, I read every word of your life story and I can tell that you are a winner. You have not given up, even when tempted to. When tempted to give up and kill yourself, you thought of the hurt it would cause others. That is awesome.
You have chosen to educate yourself at the ripe old age of 25 :D so that you can have a successful, independent future.
Sharing your story shows your intelligence and determination. I can also tell that you are a compassionate person (probably from a lifetime of troubles) and this will make you appealing to others, both as a friend and a partner.
You have the ability to listen to others and that will make you great at both, too.

Jacking off to gay porn does not necessarily mean you are gay and being able to have sex with a girl doesn't necessarily make you straight. Don't worry about that. One things is certain...you are meant to love. That is what is important.

Keep writing to us, Oli.

One other thing: tell others in your life about yourself only when you are ready to. Some people might surprise you and others will disappoint you. You have lived enough life to know you can make it.
 
Family and friends often seem homophobic particularly in speaking about gays people, however, I would venture to say that they have no friends or close ones that are gay.

I don't know anyone in my family that is gay. (maybe the reason there not open to it?)

Even so, now may not be the proper time for you to discuss your feelings with them.

it needs to be clear for me before i tell someone close to me.

The other alternative I would suggest is to contact the gay community in your area, find a few gay friends and at least have someone to talk with in terms of your situation.

I wouldn't know how i would do that. I'm not the party or drink type so thats out of the question. I don't trust people easily because everyone dropped me when i had my depression (except one person, the homophobic :confused:). Even online i wouldn't know how to connect with others in my region.


Your post deserves attention for many reasons, but what draws me to your story is your description of having to end one life to start another.

I feel i'm at that moment in my life but i need a step to enter the new one but first i need to dump the extra luggage i'm carrying:-)

We also have the ability to seek mental health counsellors to help us sort out the details.
I'd suggest you'd start there if your path doesn't seem clearly layed out before you. You will always find support here with an entire community wishing you well.

I can do that if i have some money to spare but atm i don't have it.
would you advice me to go to my psychologist i went for 5 years or another one? he will still have my records so i don't need to tell everything again.


Again i would like to thank everyone who has read my story(*8*)

Oli
 
You have chosen to educate yourself at the ripe old age of 25 :D so that you can have a successful, independent future.

:lol:
now i know what i would like to do in my life (job wise) but at the time of my depression i only thought off killing myself and not how my future would be.

I can also tell that you are a compassionate person (probably from a lifetime of troubles) and this will make you appealing to others, both as a friend and a partner.
You have the ability to listen to others and that will make you great at both, too.

People say that a lot to me and i know thats one of my good qualities. Even the friends i have come to me for advice. I find it weird i can do this because i can't do it to myself.

Jacking off to gay porn does not necessarily mean you are gay and being able to have sex with a girl doesn't necessarily make you straight. Don't worry about that.

Thats just the thing i'm so confused about.:(


Keep writing to us, Oli.

i will because i feel its helping me to get my head straight :-)


Oli
 
I wouldn't know how i would do that. I'm not the party or drink type so thats out of the question. I don't trust people easily because everyone dropped me when i had my depression (except one person, the homophobic :confused:). Even online i wouldn't know how to connect with others in my region.

Oli, I found a resource that may help you: Het Roze Huis - çavaria Antwerpen
Het Roze Huis en Café Den Draak
Draakplaats 1, 2018 Antwerpen
Belgium
info@hetrozehuis.be
+32 (0)3 288 00 84

You wouldn't need to actually go there, however it may help just telephoning them and pose a few questions. You can remain anonymous but still get information about groups, therapy or contacts. Something to try. Good luck.

Craiger
 
Oli, I found a resource that may help you: Het Roze Huis - çavaria Antwerpen

You wouldn't need to actually go there, however it may help just telephoning them and pose a few questions. You can remain anonymous but still get information about groups, therapy or contacts. Something to try. Good luck.

Craiger

Thank you so much Craiger for helping me find resources (*8*):-)

I shall see into your suggestion and maybe call them.

Yesterday was a day to think for me, so many things flew through my mind and i almost forgot that i had a birthday party for my brothers son! I don't have a drivers license (yet) so at this point i mostly rely on my twin brother or public transportation but he had other plans. So instead of not going to the party i took my bike and drove 50 min to their house because i wanted to be there.
The only thing i hate at my family parties are the conversations. everytime they keep asking me when i would take another girl home and everytime i try to find a way to convert the conversation to something else, but yesterday my sister in law saw that there was something wrong with me (i think). I have a good connection with my sister in law but she is very persistent when she sees that i'm having problems (the reason is because at the time of my depression i would frequently stay with them because that was my safe zone). I told her that my mind is going crazy now and i need to make things clear for me in life. she looked at me and in her eyes i could see that she knew that i'm having troubles with my sexuality but i changed the subject again and said i would talk about my problems another time.

After dinner there my brother said he would take me home because it was going to rain and i said that i would ride my bike home because i like the alone time. 10 min on my bike the rain began and i had better agreed on my brothers proposal. I was soaking wet and full of mudd because on my way home there was a delivery man who drove his car of the road so i offered him my help. after 30 min we got the car back on the road. Once i was home i took all of my clothes of in my apartment and the next thing i know i'm lying on the ground. I didn't know what happened but i probably fainted ( i think:confused:), it was very scary (but i experienced it before while i had my depression) so i took a shower and then put on my computer to look through my mails and JUB.
That was the first time that day a smile was put on my face because of all the heartfelt comments (*8*)

The rest of the night i talked to a fantastic man that sended me a message and we chatted for a couple of hours. It was the first time in months that i felt so good talking to someone else about my problems and my sexuality (he made me see things clearer).

Today i visited the doctor, not for the fainting but i needed a check up before i went to school next week (its required). He checked everything but stopped to talk with me about my blood pressure, it was extremly low he said and gave me something to put it up again. He asked if i had problems or something but i wimped it off (i know, i was stupid). He asked me what i ate the last weeks, i told him the truth and said that i only eat once a day because i'm not hungry ( i know its the stress). He was very serious about this and told me i need to eat more to get my blood pressure back up (the doctor knows me very well because he knows me for over 15 years).

So now i am sitting behind my computer forcing me to eat something but can't get anything in. :(

life is such a joy right now (sarcasm)

Oli
 
I hope you heed your doctors advise. Begin eating more and build yourself up. However I know I would have fainted also after biking for almost an hour...:-) How nice of you to help a stranded delivery man. Most would probably have ridden by without stopping.
It's nice also that you were able to chat with someone. Keep that contact open and available. You need times like that to express your feelings and gain a new friendship. Keep us informed on how things go.

Craiger
 
I hope you heed your doctors advise. Begin eating more and build yourself up. However I know I would have fainted also after biking for almost an hour...:-) How nice of you to help a stranded delivery man. Most would probably have ridden by without stopping.
It's nice also that you were able to chat with someone. Keep that contact open and available. You need times like that to express your feelings and gain a new friendship. Keep us informed on how things go.

Craiger

Thanks Craiger to get a smile on my face for the first time today, i love helping others because then i feel good about myself (the only time i feel good about myself).

today was one of the worst i felt in months, i felt like 8 years ago and wished i didn't woke up. (it sounds absurd when i'm writing this but its how i feel now).
Living alone sitting inside all day and doing nothing makes me even more depressed. My energy is completely gone and i'm forcing myself to eat.
No friends to talk to, no family to talk to so my only breathing space is here.

The only positive thing i did today was calling my psychologist. Its been 7 years since i last saw him and i didn't even say my full name and he still remembered me. I think he heard through my voice that something was wrong and he said that i could meet him this thursday. I said yes and we talked for a couple of minutes.
That conversation alone made me feel a little better so i know i need to do this.



Thanks again everyone for reading my story and the rest of it(*8*)

Oli
 
That's great, Oli, by reaching out to your psychologist. Even better that he will see you on Thursday. Keep thinking of other positive things that will help you come out of that shell. Sometimes it takes me to push myself to get motivated, but once I start a project I really get into it and as time goes by, I don't want to stop. Just that simple push can help you rise out of depression and get you started. Let us know how things go on Thursday. We all will be rooting for you.

Craiger
 
Today was weird for me in a way.
I was proud about myself that i finally took the step to call my psychologist yesterday but now i'm beginning to feel anxious about tomorrow. I know i'll tell him what i did the last 7 years but do i need to mention him about my problems with sexuality? Maybe its to soon to talk about this with him because its my first session again?

Also tomorrow is my orientation day for my education so i'm also nervous about that.

Thanks again Craiger for posting(*8*)

Oli
 
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